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Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?

Yes

7 (87.5%)

No

1 (12.5%)

Total Members Voted: 8

Voting closed: February 24, 2021, 10:57:44 AM

Okay, okay. Can you give me a readlist BSR?

Man, there goes my evening. Updated reads list based on ISOs, laid out generally from most townie to most scummy. Put questions at the end of most players' bits to ask what they think about certain players who they were sussing earlier in the game -- those who they this day phase already talked about I did not include.

Town Lean
-Legacy of Smiles: Has been giving their thoughts on people and doing a lot of poking people to get their thoughts on others, which is very good for town. Thoughts on cozmikrae?
-Red Mones: Helped lead the Ruguo wagon D2, and I personally think was cleared by Sapph’s poem. Don’t like his very sharp drop in posts since D2, but it’s understandable with how active the game is. Thoughts on Vro and Michi?
-ExLight: Really don’t like his pinkie promise thing, but other than that, he’s been the most active person and has been scum-hunting and poking people, which is good for town.
-Doc: Has led the wagons on both TGN and Kane, who both flipped town, but he’s been actively scum-hunting and helpful. Hasn’t been throwing shit aggressively at people or lying really low like I’d expect from scum Doc, which reads town to me. Thoughts on Vro and Michi?
-NyghtOwl: Seems new, has been trying to get a hang of the game, and has been giving his thoughts on players and asking how others are thinking. Thoughts on Wintermoot, BSR, and Vro?
-Vroendal: Really don't like his D1 unvote, but besides that, he's been scum-hunting and poking people, which I like. Thoughts on Michi and BSR?
-Wischland: Hasn’t been very active, but has been laying out her thoughts on several different players throughout the game and reads pretty genuine to me. Thoughts on BSR and cozmik?

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-Anubhav Ghosh: Has been kinda all over the place in his suspicions of people and hasn’t been stating who his town-reads are, which is scummy to me, but at least he’s been very actively scum-hunting. He’s new, so if he is scum, he’s pretty good at it. Almost at town-lean.
-BraveSirRobin: Don’t like his lurkiness in the first few days, but his posts have improved in quality recently and generally read town to me. Was going to put him in town lean until his D5 clearing of cozmikrae based on WIFOM, especially since I’m suspicious of her. Note that three of his four suspects (Minish, Kane, TGN, and Wintermoot) have all died and flipped town. Thoughts on Vro and Wintermoot?
-Wintermoot: I agree with him about Sapphiron's D3 softing being so soft it could be wolfy (partly why I didn't switch to defend Sapph). His comments on Doc's TGN-Ruguo/TGN-Vro connection theories, however, aren't really straight as he defends TGN D2 and D3 (saying he's just immature and Ruguo being wolf clears him as town per Doc's theory) then votes for him D4, although his reasoning on D4 could sorta makes sense in that he wanted to expose a possible distancing attempt by Doc from TGN and didn't want to start a vanity wagon against Doc right before EoD when TGN's and Kane's wagons were tied (he did start such a vanity wagon on D5, though, but I suppose he didn't need to vote Kane (the only other larger wagon) since his wagon was much smaller than Kane's and Kane didn't look particularly scummy to me). Thoughts on Doc and Vro?

Scum Lean
-Michi: Said he hates meta-votes D1 then defends TGN D2 based on meta, votes for completely inactive (Alexander). Seems like a good amount of his posts have been talking about werewolf in general without giving his thoughts on players or scum-hunting – only player he’s accused is BSR. Has only voted on Days 2 (against Alexander then Ruguo) and 4 (against BSR). Thoughts on BSR?
-cozmikrae: Placed Ruguo in a “less than sus” group on her earlyish D2 reads-list with other people she town-read, but later switched when the tide began to turn. Other suspicious actions I laid out on D4. Said she was “completely convinced” TGN was town on D5 (the day after he was lynched) and yet didn’t make a case in his defense but rather for lynching Kane on D4. Maybe I’m tunneling, but she’s still my top scum-read.

Vote: cozmikrae

Yeah, just checked, Doc's been on every single town wagon and was also not on Ruguo's wagon, which is incredibly suspicious. One could argue scum Doc wouldn't be so obvious, though.

We've lynched one scum so far, and that was basically a tossup that came out of nowhere. The fact I wasn't on board that wagon is hardly evidence that I'm scum, and frankly I question whether anyone being on that wagon is evidence of being not scum, since there were nine people on board that wagon, with its closest competition being a 5-wagon. That's got bus play written all over it, particularly since that wagon caught 45% of the votes available for the day.

As for 'every single town wagon', that's a bit of both a hard sell and an exaggeration of my actual position, isn't it? Sure, my D1 vote was on Hapi, who subsequently flipped town. Good call there, we should obviously also sus Nyght, Cozmik, and poor dead flipped-townie Mel since they were also partially responsible for a D1 mislynch. Should we sus Michi, too, as the beneficiary of our largesse in mislynching, or is he safe from suspicion?
Now my D2 vote, which was on Vro, who's still with us and consequently hasn't flipped one way or another. Bit difficult to assess that as 'a town wagon', wouldn't you say, even if we both townread or townlead Vro at this point?
Onto D3, where my vote was on TGN. Who wasn't lynched that day, but rather Sapph, the Seer. I suppose I missed hopping aboard that town wagon.
Fair call on D4 and D5, however. I was in fact on both those wagons, and neither of those theories bore any fruit to speak of.
So; fair play, I was on 3 of the 4 bad wagons, and wasn't aboard the one good wagon we've had. I could probably find someone with a worse voting record though. And I'd be willing to gamble both of us would be town, because while there is absolutely the WIFOM potential of scum deliberately playing TWTBAW, most of the time scum plays much more cautiously than that just out of paranoia (to, I suppose, the extent of Kane perpetually playing with a mind to his own defense even as town), and the lone person I can think of as an exception to that rule is presently hosting this game.

At any rate I'm still picking voting records apart, so I'm not likely to make another post until I'm done, but I thought I should come in and defend my honor while the iron was hot.

-Doc: Has led the wagons on both TGN and Kane, who both flipped town, but he’s been actively scum-hunting and helpful. Hasn’t been throwing shit aggressively at people or lying really low like I’d expect from scum Doc, which reads town to me. Thoughts on Vro and Michi?

Leaning town on both for now. Will update accordingly as part of my vote analysis post.

I'm gonna
Vote: Gerrick
I don't have time to explain right now, I'll do so next day phase.

Oh, yeah, forgot to make this part of my earlier post; were you ever gonna explain this like you said you would? All you said was

Also still kinda hung up on Gerrick, though his defenses have been decently strong. Not liking that Michi is still in his scum list though, cuz I'm not really seeing it.

Doesn't seem to constitute much of an explanation, but if it counts for you, it counts, I guess.

-Michi: Said he hates meta-votes D1 then defends TGN D2 based on meta, votes for completely inactive (Alexander). Seems like a good amount of his posts have been talking about werewolf in general without giving his thoughts on players or scum-hunting – only player he’s accused is BSR. Has only voted on Days 2 (against Alexander then Ruguo) and 4 (against BSR). Thoughts on BSR?

Keep in mind that I also have mentioned that I've been keeping busy on top of having a spotty connection due to it being consistently knocked out because of the weather.  I've been trying to get more active with the game and keep up with what's going on, but it's difficult when I have random and little windows of opportunity to post before the connection decides to die again.  The joys of DSL during winter, amirite?

Here's the difference with how I look at Meta: Experience versus non.  I'm willing to throw the meta argument at TGN because he's new to the game still since it's only his second, and as I stated I as a host would have re-shuffled him if he rolled scum the second time in a row so that he could get experience on the other side, especially since he was such an easy target in the last game and proved to be a scum in that game.  So it'd make sense to me to let him be something else so he could try things out and get more of the benefit of the doubt when he makes himself an easy mark.  By game 3, I'd be perfectly okay with him having similar luck as Doc used to have after his first couple of games and letting him roll wolf consecutively if RNG made it happen since he'd at least have the experience of both sides to take with him to make him a better player in future games.

To me, that's different than saying I dislike when people try to use my past gameplay to create a "sustainable" argument for a D1 lynch, simply because for one, meta in that department can be completely proven wrong since people including myself will change up how they approach things in games in an attempt to keep people guessing...and for second, as was proven with the winning wagon in that round (as well as our usual D1 strategy), we're much more likely to vote off a townie than a scum D1.

As for the Alexander thing, I've made it no secret that I've had a nightmare of a time keeping up with this game in general, and I was willing to activity push Alexander to try to get him to talk since he hasn't been on since signups.  But when I popped on later and saw compelling arguments for Ruguo (and still nothing from Alexander), I switched.

But yeah, I've been having much difficulties keeping up for multitudes of reasons, and even now I'm responding to this since it's on the last page...I haven't even had the chance to go back and look at things since the last phase started.  Heck, if it wasn't for Lau's update in the Werewolf channel on Discord on Minish and for your mention of it on your reads list, I wouldn't have known even that Minish and Kane were the kills from the last phase (although I'm not sure which was which).

As for BSR, I'd have to go back to see if he said anything new since my vote for him, but for the moment my thoughts are the same as when I made that vote: His concern for Sapph just felt completely fabricated to the point that he cried out saying he made this big warning for people about how Sapph will soft-claim when he feels people gang up on him with wolf accusations...and I literally saw no mention of that anywhere in his posts before he said that.  So that never sat well with me and felt like something a scum might try to pull to get townies to sympathize.

But, I'll have to try to get through the slog of pages that I missed, hoping my connection holds up so that I can pop on.

Since I do know that I'll get mod-killed if I don't vote today though, I'll throw up my BSR vote again since I'm still iffy about him from the last time I mentioned him...but I'll also mention that it's subject to change assuming I can get through and get caught up before the phase ends.  <_<

Vote: BraveSirRobin

(hopefully this goes through this time.  <_<)

I am going to extend this phase by 24 hours, as a test run, to give all involved parties extra time for analysis.

Snip

If I were to rank all the current players from most to least townie, it'd probably look like this:

Red Mones
NyghtOwl
Legacy of Smiles
BraveSirRobin
Anubhav Ghosh
cozmikrae
ExLight
Wischland
Michi
Doc
Vroendal
Wintermoot
Gerrick

I don't really know tbh. When making this list, almost everyone has some kinda townie vibes, so I honestly can't even say this is even how I'd rank them. Also still kinda hung up on Gerrick, though his defenses have been decently strong. Not liking that Michi is still in his scum list though, cuz I'm not really seeing it.

I've been hung up on Gerrick for a few days for no really good reason, just a feeling. A small part of me just wants to vote, but I'm gun shy because of how many townies we've killed at this point. Red you mentioned just using PoE to find scum. How would we go about that? Pick the least townie of our reads and go off that?

I'm not red but PoE is how I find scum usually. It's part of the reason I was working on a town core earlier. If we can narrow down the list of possible suspects by finding townspeople, we will win a lot more easily. It is ten times easier to find an obvious town trying to be obvious compared to looking for scum who are hiding on purpose.

See I kinda feel like we've been doing that, and we've just lynched town with the exception of once.

See I don't think so. I get the feeling scum has been pushing targets then getting everyone to lynch them under the guise of "well we're gonna keep coming back to them anyway". That's kinda why I've been avoiding the big wagons and voting for my sus targets instead (except for the one day I voted for TGN). They've been a bit too easy for my taste.

I feel like we've had, and probably still have, a lot of townspeople who are going to be very easy to blamelessly mislynch.

Yeah, and I'm worried they're setting up Wintermoot to be the next one. I do have Moot near the bottom of my list, but not because I think he's scum, but because the lack of posting has not given me anything to go off of. The fact that Anubhav is setting up a wagon on him is actually quite interesting.

I may end up just voting Doc today.

I went for Moot for immature looking votes which aren't meant to be cast by such experienced player . Maybe the softening was too soft that it seemed scum , but it was NOT a risk worth taking as a townie i would say , unless its LyLo situation. Other than that,I had offline school and I thought that today night was gonna fall , hence the early vote and bringing on a wagon . Either way , even if there would have been no  Moot wagon , I would have had stayed independent and gone for Moot vote unless any convincing post with one single target came up . I have no problem in starting a wagon( maybe it will bear fruit) , and the fact that Moot has been a discussion topic everyday and has not been a topic while voting makes me feel that scums are diluting suspicion that has accumulated on him , so the early wagon might work as a reminder , "OK, so its time to bring in Moot now on the voting table from the discussion table. "

I am going to extend this phase by 24 hours, as a test run, to give all involved parties extra time for analysis.

And I thought this was the first phase as the chat wasn't locked . Went in hard to place a vote🤣.

To also make sure that this does not get abused and the thread get spammed with more overwhelming activity, I will also institute a post limit of 5 posts for all parties involved after the usual deadline. So choose wisely.

What that also means, in essence, is that you should still treat the original deadline as the EoD deadline, just with a bit more grace added.

Disregard this. I am also being made aware that quite a few players are negatively affected with some crazy weather at present, and a bunch of things contributing to people's general lack of activity. Therefore, a normal 24-hour phase extenstion with no strings attached is being implemented.

I am going to extend this phase by 24 hours, as a test run, to give all involved parties extra time for analysis.

Wait...so there's ~48 hours left in this phase, right, not just ~24?

Indeed.

welp
that’s kinda unusual

I’m the one that asked about the possibility of an extension, but I did not expect a democratic vote not occurring nor this five posts thing

exceeding these 5 posts during the last extra in-game 24h will get you modkilled so please everyone be careful to not post too much in the last 24h, even if you’re trying to cause something like a CFD or defend yourself and instead use that time to make posts that are meaningful to the game like a readslist or brainstorms/ISOs instead of brainstorming remarks (you might also want to write them in something like Word first so you don’t risk losing your draft since it doesn’t seem like a feature here)

I have never seen anything like this before and I’m not really sure what to expect or how to approach this, all I can think of is just please be careful since this can kill active and distracted players.

This seems kinda experimental so hopefully it won’t be a thing in the next phases unless everyone agrees with it. I’ll
probably use this time to try making the recaps I was making before.

The optional play here seems for everyone to already make the wagons and defend themselves like the phases are still 48h, since we’re likely to have more different quick paced interactions and maybe sway votes if REALLY necessary in the last 24h.

If everyone is Town reading Wintermoot why is noone discussing Vro since Moot almost guaranteed a Vro lynch and Vro’s read on Moot have been conflicting umu

welp nevermind no posts limitations during the last 24h

YEET

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Apparently Doctors/Defenders can choose to protect themselves during Night Phases. This means they can guarantee they’ll never get nightkilled if they do so.

This is the optimal play for these roles, and if you’re one that sucessfully protected yourself please be hyper aggressive against people trying to push your lynch since it’s the only way scum can get rid of you.

Man, there goes my evening. Updated reads list based on ISOs, laid out generally from most townie to most scummy. Put questions at the end of most players' bits to ask what they think about certain players who they were sussing earlier in the game -- those who they this day phase already talked about I did not include.

Town Lean
-Legacy of Smiles: Has been giving their thoughts on people and doing a lot of poking people to get their thoughts on others, which is very good for town. Thoughts on cozmikrae?
-Red Mones: Helped lead the Ruguo wagon D2, and I personally think was cleared by Sapph’s poem. Don’t like his very sharp drop in posts since D2, but it’s understandable with how active the game is. Thoughts on Vro and Michi?
-ExLight: Really don’t like his pinkie promise thing, but other than that, he’s been the most active person and has been scum-hunting and poking people, which is good for town.
-Doc: Has led the wagons on both TGN and Kane, who both flipped town, but he’s been actively scum-hunting and helpful. Hasn’t been throwing shit aggressively at people or lying really low like I’d expect from scum Doc, which reads town to me. Thoughts on Vro and Michi?
-NyghtOwl: Seems new, has been trying to get a hang of the game, and has been giving his thoughts on players and asking how others are thinking. Thoughts on Wintermoot, BSR, and Vro?
-Vroendal: Really don't like his D1 unvote, but besides that, he's been scum-hunting and poking people, which I like. Thoughts on Michi and BSR?
-Wischland: Hasn’t been very active, but has been laying out her thoughts on several different players throughout the game and reads pretty genuine to me. Thoughts on BSR and cozmik?

Null
-Anubhav Ghosh: Has been kinda all over the place in his suspicions of people and hasn’t been stating who his town-reads are, which is scummy to me, but at least he’s been very actively scum-hunting. He’s new, so if he is scum, he’s pretty good at it. Almost at town-lean.
-BraveSirRobin: Don’t like his lurkiness in the first few days, but his posts have improved in quality recently and generally read town to me. Was going to put him in town lean until his D5 clearing of cozmikrae based on WIFOM, especially since I’m suspicious of her. Note that three of his four suspects (Minish, Kane, TGN, and Wintermoot) have all died and flipped town. Thoughts on Vro and Wintermoot?
-Wintermoot: I agree with him about Sapphiron's D3 softing being so soft it could be wolfy (partly why I didn't switch to defend Sapph). His comments on Doc's TGN-Ruguo/TGN-Vro connection theories, however, aren't really straight as he defends TGN D2 and D3 (saying he's just immature and Ruguo being wolf clears him as town per Doc's theory) then votes for him D4, although his reasoning on D4 could sorta makes sense in that he wanted to expose a possible distancing attempt by Doc from TGN and didn't want to start a vanity wagon against Doc right before EoD when TGN's and Kane's wagons were tied (he did start such a vanity wagon on D5, though, but I suppose he didn't need to vote Kane (the only other larger wagon) since his wagon was much smaller than Kane's and Kane didn't look particularly scummy to me). Thoughts on Doc and Vro?

Scum Lean
-Michi: Said he hates meta-votes D1 then defends TGN D2 based on meta, votes for completely inactive (Alexander). Seems like a good amount of his posts have been talking about werewolf in general without giving his thoughts on players or scum-hunting – only player he’s accused is BSR. Has only voted on Days 2 (against Alexander then Ruguo) and 4 (against BSR). Thoughts on BSR?
-cozmikrae: Placed Ruguo in a “less than sus” group on her earlyish D2 reads-list with other people she town-read, but later switched when the tide began to turn. Other suspicious actions I laid out on D4. Said she was “completely convinced” TGN was town on D5 (the day after he was lynched) and yet didn’t make a case in his defense but rather for lynching Kane on D4. Maybe I’m tunneling, but she’s still my top scum-read.

Vote: cozmikrae

About townreading I would say I need more experience . Reading scum is much more statistical , based on pattern of play and slip-of-the-tongue sort of stuff . As of townreading , I feel its abstract . However since it seems townreading is needed as well , I guess I will do it in next day phase , probably if I get any indication .