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[Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?]

Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?

Yes

7 (87.5%)

No

1 (12.5%)

Total Members Voted: 8

Voting closed: February 24, 2021, 10:57:44 AM

I will vote early today(SUPER EARLY IN MY TERMS!!) so it might be an independent move , some more reads would be good if available . I got offline school from tomorrow , and I assume the game and voting will go tough for me.

I WISH CORONA COMES BACK AGAIN

Ok so if don't know where to start in making townreads, how about you start by explaining the whys on your scumreads to me. Logically, townspeople should be doing the opposite of what you explain, right?

Townspeople won't do opposite , Scummy people will play town with some unwanted deviations. From Ruguo lynch I have seen this thing , scum plays like town and makes unwanted deviation and that catches our eyes.

Moot: Quite suspicious voting , total disregard for PR softening .

Doc: Sapph said about consecutive wolf possibility , which makes me feel Doc might be a scum. This is a weak lead to me though , but there is no harm in mentioning.

Legacy of Smiles: Obvious distancing attempt from Ruguo on Ogun/Legacy , definitely looks his established scum play . But it was D1 , random pushes and pokes stay on , so I guess this is a weak trail.

Cozmikrae: Anomalous role in Sapph lynch from cozmik , and then raising suspicion on Vro and my alliance , which i look upon as a cover up , as her vote was the deciding factor and my ignorance of softening is deemed genuine by most . Red Mones' attempt to defend her looks bit off to me but Red Mones isn't a hot target for me now.

Yeah my point of it being the opposite was a gross oversimplification but shh nobody needs to know. 

Moot - Agree on both of your points.

Doc - I don't agree that Sapph was purposefully pushing Doc with that comment honestly, I believe it was more likely that Sapph was slightly suspicious of Doc and was worried that they would be accidentally cleared from suspicion by people thinking that he probably couldn't roll wolf twice in a row. What are your thoughts on this explanation?

cozmikrae - Not sure how I feel about this slot yet. Do you believe that cozmik and Wintermoot could be on the same team given how they both voted Sapph, or do you believe it is more likely one or the other?

At this moment , I think I won't even trust a single player and keep someone as top town or top scum lean

My FoS remains of Moot . One other thing I feel is that the person who subbed in for Ogun might be a scum . Ruguo went unnaturally impulsive , well over the limits on Ogun on D1, which after a week of experience seems distancing to me and Ruguo has a taste for distancing . For the next day , I would happily be in the forefront when it comes to initiating a wagon . Last few days didn't go well .

As of Moot , well all love talking Moot and not voting on him . The discussion starts and dies down and this has been the case for sometime now.

Sapph mentioned about consecutive wolf . I am not sure if he came across a scum or not but Doc was a scum last game .

BSR seemed straightforward to me . As of others , I have not much idea and my views might depend on what others say

Alright so I've got a couple of issues with this post that I'd like to iron out with you.

You're making a lot of scum reads and saying you don't want to make town reads and, honestly, this isn't a good play.

I just want to say something in bold first: it is ok to have wrong reads. But saying you won't make town reads is the worst most you could make. It's ten times easier to find a townsperson than it is a wolf and that's not an exaggeration. It is so much more helpful if you find one person you genuinely believe is town compared to some people who may or may not be a wolf. The single best way of finding wolves in my opinion is by finding people who are townspeople and narrowing down the list of suspects. If you only want to focus on one type of reads, making good town reads are probably the most important ones you could do!

I don't want to reveal the people I trust the most , u can say that I keep everyone into null or town lean,  basically I tried to provide my list of suspect and not a read in general since i don't have the eyes or experience to look into towniness right way . The method i am using might turn out to be exclusively for this game only.

If I am asked to make a scumlean list , it would look like :

Moot , Doc , Legacy of Smiles and more. Take the more as people whose actions give me no vibes at all😅

I don't think there's any reason not to share town reads, even if they're wrong they are still helpful. And if they were wrong, you're more likely to have people realise and explain why instead of following them wrongly

Its not about hiding or not sharing , its about finding comments that I can trust , but I don't know what to trust and what not to . As of being wrong , everyone has been wrong about Kane , TGN etc , being wrong doesn't concern me

Things like this make me think you're 99% town and I'm probably going to ride or die on you being town tbh. I hope you don't mind the feedback I'm trying to give you? If you don't want it, I'll stop but I think you would benefit a lot from it (and I don't want this to sound like I don't think you're a capable player, because I do, but I don't agree with your current approach to the game).

this kind of comment trying to abstain from responsibility actually makes me more wary of them lol

Don't make me wary of your pinkie promise lol 🤣

Jokes apart , I am not trying to abstain from responsibility , I am using this game to learn townreading . I can explain well why i suspect a person , and its 100 times easier than scrutinizing posts for town read to me for time being . I said that my abstain principle might be exceptionally for this game only and the next game would have my townreads , if you pinkie promise to give me a crash course on townreading after this game ends

Ok so if don't know where to start in making townreads, how about you start by explaining the whys on your scumreads to me. Logically, townspeople should be doing the opposite of what you explain, right?

Townspeople won't do opposite , Scummy people will play town with some unwanted deviations. From Ruguo lynch I have seen this thing , scum plays like town and makes unwanted deviation and that catches our eyes.

Moot: Quite suspicious voting , total disregard for PR softening .

Doc: Sapph said about consecutive wolf possibility , which makes me feel Doc might be a scum. This is a weak lead to me though , but there is no harm in mentioning.

Legacy of Smiles: Obvious distancing attempt from Ruguo on Ogun/Legacy , definitely looks his established scum play . But it was D1 , random pushes and pokes stay on , so I guess this is a weak trail.

Cozmikrae: Anomalous role in Sapph lynch from cozmik , and then raising suspicion on Vro and my alliance , which i look upon as a cover up , as her vote was the deciding factor and my ignorance of softening is deemed genuine by most . Red Mones' attempt to defend her looks bit off to me but Red Mones isn't a hot target for me now.

Yeah my point of it being the opposite was a gross oversimplification but shh nobody needs to know. 

Moot - Agree on both of your points.

Doc - I don't agree that Sapph was purposefully pushing Doc with that comment honestly, I believe it was more likely that Sapph was slightly suspicious of Doc and was worried that they would be accidentally cleared from suspicion by people thinking that he probably couldn't roll wolf twice in a row. What are your thoughts on this explanation?

cozmikrae - Not sure how I feel about this slot yet. Do you believe that cozmik and Wintermoot could be on the same team given how they both voted Sapph, or do you believe it is more likely one or the other?

The explanation about Doc works , but in my perspective , I think Sapph made a last moment attempt to get the TGN wagon as large as possible . TGN was a wolf in last game , and since many understood he was softening , so there was a chance that TGN wagon would have swelled up , unfortunately it didn't happen . Doc trail , as I said was weak and I think it was a potential FoS for TGN . And a thing about Nyght i recall . In her synopsis of Sapph's poem , she said it was Kane as scum in her view . Minish framed Red Mones , but at this point , the poem doesn't interest me

Vote:WinterMoot

Not much reasoning other than his questionable voting pattern , total disregard for PR softening , and my own interpretation of Sapph's poem . Also the fact that Moot tried to pull Doc into the scum soup , seems strange to me, because I feel Sapph indicated TGN , and he used that possibly to prevent his own lynch and get TGN wagon running . Doc doesn't seem an issue.

post counts

ExLight: 132
Vroendal: 106
Red Mones: 94
Legacy of Smiles: 83
cozmikrae: 64
Anubhav Ghosh: 63
NyghtOwl: 34
Doc: 34
Gerrick: 27
Wischland: 17
Michi: 17
BraveSirRobin: 15
Wintermoot: 14

I'm gonna ISO each person and make an updated reads list, but for now I'm going to post a reads list based purely on how I'm feeling towards people at the moment since I just want to get my thoughts out there before other people start posting stuff and the full list will likely take me a few hours to do (which means that there may be large swings in reads since I haven't done a full ISO list in several day phases, so don't dog on me because of this list).

Town
ExLight
Red Mones
Legacy of Smiles
Anubhav Ghosh
NyghtOwl
Doc
Wintermoot

Null
Vroendal
Wischland
BraveSirRobin

Scum
cozmikrae
Michi

Ok so if don't know where to start in making townreads, how about you start by explaining the whys on your scumreads to me. Logically, townspeople should be doing the opposite of what you explain, right?

Townspeople won't do opposite , Scummy people will play town with some unwanted deviations. From Ruguo lynch I have seen this thing , scum plays like town and makes unwanted deviation and that catches our eyes.

Moot: Quite suspicious voting , total disregard for PR softening .

Doc: Sapph said about consecutive wolf possibility , which makes me feel Doc might be a scum. This is a weak lead to me though , but there is no harm in mentioning.

Legacy of Smiles: Obvious distancing attempt from Ruguo on Ogun/Legacy , definitely looks his established scum play . But it was D1 , random pushes and pokes stay on , so I guess this is a weak trail.

Cozmikrae: Anomalous role in Sapph lynch from cozmik , and then raising suspicion on Vro and my alliance , which i look upon as a cover up , as her vote was the deciding factor and my ignorance of softening is deemed genuine by most . Red Mones' attempt to defend her looks bit off to me but Red Mones isn't a hot target for me now.

Yeah my point of it being the opposite was a gross oversimplification but shh nobody needs to know. 

Moot - Agree on both of your points.

Doc - I don't agree that Sapph was purposefully pushing Doc with that comment honestly, I believe it was more likely that Sapph was slightly suspicious of Doc and was worried that they would be accidentally cleared from suspicion by people thinking that he probably couldn't roll wolf twice in a row. What are your thoughts on this explanation?

cozmikrae - Not sure how I feel about this slot yet. Do you believe that cozmik and Wintermoot could be on the same team given how they both voted Sapph, or do you believe it is more likely one or the other?

I did not vote for Sapph.

Ok so if don't know where to start in making townreads, how about you start by explaining the whys on your scumreads to me. Logically, townspeople should be doing the opposite of what you explain, right?

Townspeople won't do opposite , Scummy people will play town with some unwanted deviations. From Ruguo lynch I have seen this thing , scum plays like town and makes unwanted deviation and that catches our eyes.

Moot: Quite suspicious voting , total disregard for PR softening .

Doc: Sapph said about consecutive wolf possibility , which makes me feel Doc might be a scum. This is a weak lead to me though , but there is no harm in mentioning.

Legacy of Smiles: Obvious distancing attempt from Ruguo on Ogun/Legacy , definitely looks his established scum play . But it was D1 , random pushes and pokes stay on , so I guess this is a weak trail.

Cozmikrae: Anomalous role in Sapph lynch from cozmik , and then raising suspicion on Vro and my alliance , which i look upon as a cover up , as her vote was the deciding factor and my ignorance of softening is deemed genuine by most . Red Mones' attempt to defend her looks bit off to me but Red Mones isn't a hot target for me now.

Yeah my point of it being the opposite was a gross oversimplification but shh nobody needs to know. 

Moot - Agree on both of your points.

Doc - I don't agree that Sapph was purposefully pushing Doc with that comment honestly, I believe it was more likely that Sapph was slightly suspicious of Doc and was worried that they would be accidentally cleared from suspicion by people thinking that he probably couldn't roll wolf twice in a row. What are your thoughts on this explanation?

cozmikrae - Not sure how I feel about this slot yet. Do you believe that cozmik and Wintermoot could be on the same team given how they both voted Sapph, or do you believe it is more likely one or the other?

I did not vote for Sapph.

My mistake sorry, I got it slightly confused.

If I were to rank all the current players from most to least townie, it'd probably look like this:

Red Mones
NyghtOwl
Legacy of Smiles
BraveSirRobin
Anubhav Ghosh
cozmikrae
ExLight
Wischland
Michi
Doc
Vroendal
Wintermoot
Gerrick

I don't really know tbh. When making this list, almost everyone has some kinda townie vibes, so I honestly can't even say this is even how I'd rank them. Also still kinda hung up on Gerrick, though his defenses have been decently strong. Not liking that Michi is still in his scum list though, cuz I'm not really seeing it.

If I were to rank all the current players from most to least townie, it'd probably look like this:

Red Mones
NyghtOwl
Legacy of Smiles
BraveSirRobin
Anubhav Ghosh
cozmikrae
ExLight
Wischland
Michi
Doc
Vroendal
Wintermoot
Gerrick

I don't really know tbh. When making this list, almost everyone has some kinda townie vibes, so I honestly can't even say this is even how I'd rank them. Also still kinda hung up on Gerrick, though his defenses have been decently strong. Not liking that Michi is still in his scum list though, cuz I'm not really seeing it.

I've been hung up on Gerrick for a few days for no really good reason, just a feeling. A small part of me just wants to vote, but I'm gun shy because of how many townies we've killed at this point. Red you mentioned just using PoE to find scum. How would we go about that? Pick the least townie of our reads and go off that?

If I were to rank all the current players from most to least townie, it'd probably look like this:

Red Mones
NyghtOwl
Legacy of Smiles
BraveSirRobin
Anubhav Ghosh
cozmikrae
ExLight
Wischland
Michi
Doc
Vroendal
Wintermoot
Gerrick

I don't really know tbh. When making this list, almost everyone has some kinda townie vibes, so I honestly can't even say this is even how I'd rank them. Also still kinda hung up on Gerrick, though his defenses have been decently strong. Not liking that Michi is still in his scum list though, cuz I'm not really seeing it.

I've been hung up on Gerrick for a few days for no really good reason, just a feeling. A small part of me just wants to vote, but I'm gun shy because of how many townies we've killed at this point. Red you mentioned just using PoE to find scum. How would we go about that? Pick the least townie of our reads and go off that?

I'm not red but PoE is how I find scum usually. It's part of the reason I was working on a town core earlier. If we can narrow down the list of possible suspects by finding townspeople, we will win a lot more easily. It is ten times easier to find an obvious town trying to be obvious compared to looking for scum who are hiding on purpose.

I'm obviously not saying not to scumread but finding townspeople and establishing a narrowed down avumlist by PoE helps us find scum way easier.

No idea what an "avumlist" is but let's assume it was spelt that way on purpose.

Truthfully I'd only put Me, LoS and Nyght in town core right now. Some are close (like cozmik, potentially Anubhav), but I can't say I'm pretty sure they're town, so I'll leave them out for now. All the others have been killed off. Not sure what to think of Vro anymore. I thought town core earlier on, but things have changed. Kinda null on them.

Doc is playing closer to townie Doc imo, but he's been on every bad wagon from what I remember.