D2 votes:
1. Ruguo
TGN> Vroendal
2. Melehan:
Sapphiron > Ruguo
3. Sapphiron:
TGN > Ruguo
4. TGN:
Wintermoot > Unvote > Sapphiron > TGN > Doc
5. Eastern New England / HumanDawn:
Eastern New England
6. Ogun of Valeria / Legacy of Smiles:
no votes
7. Alexander Valentine / ExLight:
no votes
8. Anubhav Ghosh:
Ruguo
9. Michi:
Alexander Valentine > Ruguo
10. BraveSirRobin:
Vroendal
11. Red Mones:
Ruguo
12. Vroendal:
TGN > Ruguo
13. Gerrick:
Vroendal > Ruguo
14. Wischland:
no votes
15. Minish:
Ruguo > TGN > Unvote > Ruguo
16. Imaginative Kane:
BraveSirRobin
17. Wintermoot:
Vroendal
18. NyghtOwl:
Vroendal
19. Doc:
Vroendal
20. cozmikrae:
TGN > Vroendal > No lynch > Ruguo
Final votecount:
Ruguo - 9 (Red Mones, Vroendal, Gerrick, Anubhav Ghosh,
Sapphiron, Minish, Michi,
Melehan, Cozmikrae)
Vroendal - 5 (
Ruguo, BraveSirRobin, Wintermoot, NyghtOwl, Doc)
BraveSirRobin - 1 (Imaginative Kane)
Doc - 1 (
TGN)
Eastern New England - 1 (
Self)
D2 general recap and analysis:
Page 17:
- Red wants to push people that were in the Hapi wagon. Vro isn't in the mix despite being who made the lynch possible
Page 18:
- Kane keeps focusing on BSR and does not provide his own thoughts on the events.
- Silver pokes Kane. No pressure at all. Kane defends himself regardless but without any kind of constructive discussion.
- Anubhav suspicious of Mel and Wischland suspicious of Sapph. Both flipped green.
Page 19:
- Vro throws shade at Wischland.
Page 20:
- Minish's plan here might be seen as role fishing. Scum would be able to reduce the pool of potential Doctors in a very significant manner like this since they'd know who would have the blocked kill in their top reads. I'm still unsure on what to think of this plan since she was the very one that pointed out this issue last game. It isn't even that important for Doctors to claim their targets right now because since we have two we'll always have two potential blocked targets (or even the chance scum holstered for some reason) and while that points out to one innocent in every pair, that's not what we want since it can shave off suspicion out of scum.
- A bit of misunderstanding on the Doctor/Defender terminology.
- A bit of discussion from Vro around Minish's plan. He was watching the last game in ZD where I suggested something similar, not really sure why he isn't pointing out the inconsistency in Min's thinking here.
Page 21:
- A bit more on the doctor plan discussion. I think I actually side with Vro in this.
- Wintermoot attacks Vro, also replies Silver. Makes me think Moot and Vro aren't likely to be in the same team if one of them flips.
- Vro blaming "paranoia" and others for his own actions while still saying they preferred the Michi lynch (which contradicts what they said yesterday about them both being pretty much equally null). If he's town this is something they should really consider working on.
- Silver makes a readlist. Him throwing shade at Minish makes me think they're not scumbuddies. He accuses ENE and Doc of being lurky and at the same time calls out Nyghts for him looking for lurking players, which makes me think there are inactive or lurkish scum by D2.
Page 22:
- Doc makes imo a good point about either TGN or himself being Town, doesn't mean much since TGN was the one that flipped such. I didn't keep an eye on last game but I feel like he might be onto something with the Vro approach. Vro gets hyperdefensive again, I'm not fond of this attitude since people have been telling him how it was scummy and he keeps dodging it trying to find justifications and then hits them with a "well you should've said it was scummy, how'd I know??". Grr.
- WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP CLEARING NYGHTS LIKE I GET THEY SOUNDS TOWNIE BUT SOME PEOPLE JUST NATURALLY DO aaa
- Minish starts making a nice readlist trying to analyze the votes but kinda stops midway. Slings out Silver so that was nice.
- Nyghts provides a small cozy readlist. A bit on the safe side since the opinions seem general consensus, but it's fine I guess?
- Silver pushes Michi and Vro as lynch options. I'm not sure what to expect from Silver in this, would he leave a message like this behind if he was scum? If they both got lynched and flipped town it would look super bad on him, hmm.
- BraveSirRobin finally makes his first post yeet. I disagree with some stuff they said but I don't think there's anything too wrong in this, it's kinda NAI and on the safe side too.
- Silver kinda has a small clash with BSR. I originally thought this was kinda putting them on opposite sides but looking back it's actually just discussing game philosophy.
Page 23:
- Doc discusses more game theory. He seems to like doing that.
- cozmikrae makes a readlist. I actually don't like this list since it scumreads most of town players (TGN, Mel, ENE) with the exception of Sapph under something I don't really agree with (because voted RNG and didn't take a side on the lynch), and puts Silver on the townleans. Although they seemed to not know the concept of wagonomics, so that's explains a bit.
- Nyghts makes a good post, I agree with the BSR and Vro scumleans.
- Vro makes a readlist, none of the people that flipped Town are above null. While for Silver says he'd "put him in the Town reads" but decides not to, lol. He also keeps throwing shade at Michi despite being the one that avoided his lynch, which is incoherent with what he said yesterday about Michi being a Null read at the time.[/color]
Page 24:
- Doc throwing punches at Vro again makes me think they're not scum together.
- Nyghts backs off quite a bit, I feel like if Vro is scum they got them pocketed easily. Could be the other way around. Slightly feels to me that Nyghts and Vro aren't in the same team.
- I actually really like Anubhav's reasoning here. Throws suspicion on Vro and explains how he'd be more interested in bussing to gain town cred if that was the case.
- Gerrick makes another post doubling down on Vro's suspicion. Vro answers with a WIFOM post, asks about the Silver scumread.
- Minish makes a good post explaining how Vro's mindset is ambiguous at best.
- Kane makes a readlist. A bit of some hot takes, actually. And I think I actually agree with a good chunk of it?? I'm not sure about this fascination with BSR though.
Page 25:
- Minish, you totally would post half asleep as scum and we know that yeet. She asks for Kane to try to elaborate a bit on Silver, which he never does (he instead pops in 10 pages later saying he's fine with both wagons but then votes somewhere else).
- I'm not sure how to interpret this Minish x Vro back and forth. Does scum Vro try to push Minish's reasoning around this hard? Minish calling out Vro constantly makes me think they're not in the same team, but she kinda loosened up a bit later in the game, so maybe she was doing that because people were suspicious of Vro? I think it's kinda ambiguous here. I don't think I can see Minish as scum and Vro as Town here though.
- Mel's readlist here is pretty good, I might come back to it later.
- Anubhav has a weird post that kind went under the radar. Why apologize if Vro is scum to them? Feeling bad about bussing?
- Mel vs. Minish clash. Did this influence Mel's death? Supposedly a link between Red and Minish, I'll have to check that but afair Minish though she had a lead on Red and gave up when she realized she was probably overthinking.
Page 26:
- Passing not testing town testst
- Wintermoot pokes Vro but stays on the fence, I'm not a fan of this. Throws shade at Doc and TGN while not pushing anything and kinda tries to shoot down Nyghts impressions of him.
- ...Why was Silver replying to Moot's reply to Nyght's post? Also slightly weird interaction between both, I actually hate it?
Page 27:
- Doc points out that Vro isn't voting for TGN. I feel like the scumbud theory was debunked, but I do feel like there's more to what meets the eye. Judging by Vro's last second vote removal last Day Phase, I feel like at least up to this point Vro is avoiding voting to leave less vote information around, and that this is unrelated to TGN's flip.
- TGN wagon explodes with Minish, Silver, and self voting him.
Page 28:
- Vro jumps in TGN's wagon after Doc points out the "link" between them. This feels like an attempt to get TGN's lynch through because he knows he'll flip Town, making Doc and the people agreeing with him less suspicious of him. If he knew TGN was 13 he probably knows that is hardly a confession.
- BSR voting Vro here readding momentum makes me think BSR and Vro aren't likely to be in the same team if one of them flips scum.
- Nyghts hesitating to vote when Vro's ass in on the line is a bit annoying.
Page 29:
- Silver presenting that 6 player list. While statistically only one scum (himself) is likely to be there, I feel like Sapph had a point looking back at this because if everyone of these flipped Town it would look terrible for Silver. I'm actually now townleaning Michi and Townreading Red, so it's between Vro and BSR to me with me leaning towards Vro.
- Silver liked Mel's push on BSR, which makes me think he wanted the votes to shift that direction.
- Mel makes a cute vote timeline and events recap.
Page 30:
- Wintermoot voted Vroendal at a key moment which is consistent with my observation earlier.
- Vroendal's wagon explodes, this depends on Vro's alignment but I think cozmikrae's vote is really townie here since TGN was town.
- Michi voting somewhere else is a bit weird but coherent.
Page 31:
- Doc has something that annoys me a bit. Keeps making these votecounts and despite all that yadda yadda about the importance of wagonomics he hasn't placed his vote on anyone so far.
- Vro making that massive wallpost to defend himself :weary:. I find interesting that he "learned about 5 minutes before EoD that if there was a tie it would result in a coinflip", and I'm assuming it was outside the thread? This points out to him considering a tie.
- Red notices something I also realized, Gerrick was also voting Vro for insisting on Michi despite his previous readlist having Vro as Town and Michi as Scum leans. Although the readlist is from D1 and before the whole Vro unvoting thing. I don't think it's that incoherent as I was having mixed signs with Vro and it just went south at the end of the day. I don't think Gerrick and Vro as scum together if one of them flips scum. Gj polishing those boots with your tongue though lmao.
- Silver's wagon starts gaining some momentum, which is a bit tricky. He again pulls BSR out of nowhere, which comes off as a bit weird, it feels like it's some random distancing?? I feel like at this point he's forced to vote Vro despite their alignment because it's the only viable wagon other than TGN, and I think this honestly appeals to the sympathetic side of Silver wanting to protect TGN rather than his gameplan. Since he's being put into a possible lynch wagon he can't just unvote, so voting Vro who already has plenty of suspicion on himself is probably a decent bussing move. I think his only read about Vro was on page 22(?) and just says "Vro is sus but I'd rather not rn" despite him having shown some interest and asked TGN to provide a read on him and BSR but not on Michi, so this kinda goes back to the at least one of BSR or Vro is scum. In the same post he presents his options, and the only ones whose alignment are undetermined are Doc and Vro, which makes me think Doc and Vro are not the same alignment.
- Not a fan of cozmikrae voting No Lynch when Silver was gaining speed and despite Vro previously being one of her top suspects and at lynch risk.
- "I had said I would likely end up voting Ruguo for the reasons I had presented earlier, it should not come as a shock that I am now switching my vote now." it does come off as a shock because they were "almost Town" before. He now also seems confident that Silver will flip red and says that he "shall investigate a Minish/Ruguo scum link if Ruguo flips scum today. I think this is a good starting point.", tying a possibly strong Town player to a scumflip. He hadn't done anything as eye-catching for any of the other wagons that had happened throughout the game so this is a red flag to me. When did your read on Silver change this drastically, Vro?
Page 32:
- cozmikrae voting Silver is great here, town points.
- Red kinda taking responsibility on Silver's lynch, which is fine? NAI but catches my eye.
Pages 33 and 34:
- Michi and Minish voting Ruguo is extremely townie is Vro is Town. Otherwise it's NAI. I can't see Scum Michi/Minish and Town Vro here. Minish is a known busser, but would she do that right after pointing that out? lmao that would be WILD.
Page 35:
- I just realized the votes in the final votecounts aren't necessarily in chronological order... oof... Gerrick's vote did come late in the Phase, so I guess it was worse than I thought. I see the point of him being possibly getting bothered by something like that, yea. The only thing bothering me is, does scum really care about proving that wrong? Odds of it really being 3/4 scum is absurdly low, does anyone seriously consider a post like that D2 that noone is discussing to the point of bring it back up? It didn't even really have a real connection, it was just Red throwing his scumleans together and calling it a team. I mean it's a possibility Gerrick would maybe panic over this but it's not really like sound the alarm levels to me? It's good to keep in mind though.
Page 36:
- A bit of discussion around Gerrick's vote. I feel like there was a bit of miscomunication here actually, lol. You all seemed to be talking about slightly different things. Gerrick's play was ambiguous but the whole thing makes Red look better imo.
- Kane voting BSR outta nowhere and when it wasn't relevant bothers me.
- Anubhav voting Silver despite not having read pages 32-35 is actually really Townie and shows they're willing to take a side, even though voting on an inevitable wagon is usually if anything scummy I actually like that.
