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Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?

Yes
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Voting closed: February 24, 2021, 10:57:44 AM


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Vroendal
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  • Can we not do Kane today? I have a bad feeling about him.
    @Minish which page in D2 you thought you had seen something?

    I saw another thing that makes me not want lynch him when rereading D1.
    Do tell.

    If it's not Kane it's very likely to be Wintermoot, we have to start somewhere. Propose a good alternative, and maybe I'll agree with you.
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  • Can we not do Kane today? I have a bad feeling about him.
    @Minish which page in D2 you thought you had seen something?

    I saw another thing that makes me not want lynch him when rereading D1.

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    Also @Vroendal, how do you coincide the idea of me and Kane possibly being scum, with me pointing out that I thought I saw something in regards to Kane and then walking that back? That's not how I would interact with a scumbud.


    Also like, if I'm scum this game I'm playing like shit. Ex should see that actually. Y'all can say "you can change your meta since you know it" but nothing I've done has been my scum meta at all and I couldn't change everything. I've had some shit reads on people I've barely played with before (funny I've played with Silver a bit and called him out as suspicious d1), but as scum I know how to look super townie because I have all the answers.
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  • Can we not do Kane today? I have a bad feeling about him.
    @Minish which page in D2 you thought you had seen something?

    I saw another thing that makes me not want lynch him when rereading D1.
    Do tell.

    If it's not Kane it's very likely to be Wintermoot, we have to start somewhere. Propose a good alternative, and maybe I'll agree with you.
    I actually ISOed Wintermoot after Smiles asked me to explain it and I think I'd actually drop him to orange, so I'd prefer a Wintermoot lynch lol.
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  • Overdefensiveness does not exist with me, if I don't want to die I will defend myself from pushes, I don't see what's wrong with that.
    you literally demanded sapph to provide a full reasoning over a joke vote when they random voted you D1 in page 4 though  :-\
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    @Minish which page in D2 you thought you had seen something?

    I saw another thing that makes me not want lynch him when rereading D1.

    24.


    Also @Vroendal, how do you coincide the idea of me and Kane possibly being scum, with me pointing out that I thought I saw something in regards to Kane and then walking that back? That's not how I would interact with a scumbud.


    Also like, if I'm scum this game I'm playing like shit. Ex should see that actually. Y'all can say "you can change your meta since you know it" but nothing I've done has been my scum meta at all and I couldn't change everything. I've had some shit reads on people I've barely played with before (funny I've played with Silver a bit and called him out as suspicious d1), but as scum I know how to look super townie because I have all the answers.
    Yeah, your posts are giving me pause or I would have pushed you harder. Still though, you could have walked back on Kane precisely to make that kind of argument, I think it's within the realm of possibility. A lot of the time your counter-arguments put me into WIFOM reasoning, which I don't like. It's also easy enough to put suspicion on a fellow scum D1, though I do concede that it's a good point in your favor from an objective viewpoint.

    Who would you place as scum, Minish?
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  • Overdefensiveness does not exist with me, if I don't want to die I will defend myself from pushes, I don't see what's wrong with that.
    you literally demanded sapph to provide a full reasoning over a joke vote when they random voted you D1 in page 4 though  :-\
    Sapph hadn't spoken yet, I hadn't spoken yet, he didn't say it was RNG at first, I reasoned that he could have been trying to poke me out for reaction information, and I responded accordingly.
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  • Overdefensiveness does not exist with me, if I don't want to die I will defend myself from pushes, I don't see what's wrong with that.
    you literally demanded sapph to provide a full reasoning over a joke vote when they random voted you D1 in page 4 though  :-\
    Sapph hadn't spoken yet, I hadn't spoken yet, he didn't say it was RNG at first, I reasoned that he could have been trying to poke me out for reaction information, and I responded accordingly.
    Well, yea, that's why we random vote, to get some reactions lol. And you gave quite the one.
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  • Well, yea, that's why we random vote, to get some reactions lol. And you gave quite the one.
    Go big or go home.

    So to clarify and make sure I understand, you think Kane is town for something you're not telling us yet and you have a bad feeling about his lynch, and you think Wintermoot is town for being constructive.

    You think Michi is scum based on his defense from D1, and that BSR is scum, why again?
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    @Minish which page in D2 you thought you had seen something?

    I saw another thing that makes me not want lynch him when rereading D1.

    24.


    Also @Vroendal, how do you coincide the idea of me and Kane possibly being scum, with me pointing out that I thought I saw something in regards to Kane and then walking that back? That's not how I would interact with a scumbud.


    Also like, if I'm scum this game I'm playing like shit. Ex should see that actually. Y'all can say "you can change your meta since you know it" but nothing I've done has been my scum meta at all and I couldn't change everything. I've had some shit reads on people I've barely played with before (funny I've played with Silver a bit and called him out as suspicious d1), but as scum I know how to look super townie because I have all the answers.
    Yeah, your posts are giving me pause or I would have pushed you harder. Still though, you could have walked back on Kane precisely to make that kind of argument, I think it's within the realm of possibility. A lot of the time your counter-arguments put me into WIFOM reasoning, which I don't like. It's also easy enough to put suspicion on a fellow scum D1, though I do concede that it's a good point in your favor from an objective viewpoint.

    Who would you place as scum, Minish?

    I mean I kinda walked it back the previous day a bit too. I've tentatively gave him a slight town read because of it but said I wouldn't be upset with people voting him because I was really unsure it was something to read into or not. If I was trying to give a scumbud a soft clear it would be odd to do it in that way.

    And yeah all counterarguments are typically wifom. But I feel like if people really look at my arguments they can see they're genuine and not some bs that I made up because I slipped or wanted to cause a mislynch.


    As for who I would place as scum? I really have no clue at the moment. I'll get back to you after I wake up and do some ISOs. Gut feeling wants to say something like BSR, Winter, and Wisch. But something also feels not good with that gut feeling. I have a little voice in the back of my head saying Doc, but man I really was townreading him earlier.
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  • D1 votes:
    1. Ruguo
    Doc > Michi

    2. Adorable Oracle Hapi:
    Red Mones > cozmik

    3. Melehan:
    Hapi

    4. Sapphiron:
    Vroendal

    5. TGN:
    Shapphiron > Unvote? (he wasn't voting Michi, so was he unvoting or actually voting Michi here?) > Laurentus > Unvote > No Lynch

    6. Eastern New England / HumanDawn:
    no votes

    7. Ogun of Valeria / Legacy of Smiles:
    no votes

    8. Alexander Valentine / ExLight:
    no votes

    9. Anubhav Ghosh:
    no votes

    10. Michi:
    no votes

    11. BraveSirRobin:
    no votes

    12. Red Mones:
    Hapi > Melehan > Unvote > Ruguo

    13. Vroendal:
    Michi > Unvote > Michi > Unvote

    14. Gerrick:
    Michi

    15. Wischland:
    Michi

    16. Minish:
    Michi > Red Mones > Michi

    17. Imaginative Kane:
    No Lynch > BraveSirRobin

    18. Wintermoot:
    Red Mones

    19. NyghtOwl:
    Wintermoot > Hapi

    20. Doc:
    Hapi

    21. cozmikrae:
    Red Mones > Unvote > Hapi

    Final votecount:
    Ruguo - 1 (Red Mones)
    Red Mones - 1 (Wintermoot)
    Vroendal - 1 (Sapphiron)
    Adorable Oracle Hapi - 4 (NyghtOwl, Melehan, Doc, Cozmikrae)
    Michi - 4 (Ruguo, Gerrick, Wischland, Minish)
    BraveSirRobin - 1 (Imaginative Kane)
    Cozmikrae - 1 (Hapi)
    D1 general recap and analysis:
    Page 1:
    - Random Votes, not much to be seen here.

    Page 2:
    - Doc overreacting over what's likely a joke vote.
    - Cozmikrae keeps vote on Red, says it's pressure to see their reaction.
    - Michi's controversial statement, and BSR likes the post. Consistent with them both not voting.

    Page 3:
    - Hapi makes a point calling out Doc. Doc's answer does not address that point properly. (If I remember correctly Hapi kept insisting she was a turret in Portal 1 and I also pushed her lynch back then, so I kinda see how it's different here, but still).
    - Vroendal accuses Hapi vs Doc of distancing. (why "distancing" instead of real opposition?)

    Page 4:
    - Mel memeing. Red wondering if her liking posts is indicative or something and backing off.

    Page 5:
    - More Mel memeing
    - Small discussion on the importance of a D1 lynch.
    - Vro makes a good point against Michi's incoherence.

    Page 6:
    - Silver votes Michi while asking him to provide an explanation, adding momentum to the wagon.
    - Nyghts votes Hapi (kind of a policy lynch vote)

    Page 7:
    - Silver throws shade at Ogum (Smiles). Suggests that it's distancing. Lol. He further pushes that he's demanding an answer from. He seems sure Ogum is scum; trying to push a lynch or a bus? Makes me think of Ogum (Smiles)/Silver in different teams.
    - Kane pushes that roleplaying is a scumtell, however doesn't vote his scumlean.
    - Mel's readlist.

    Page 8:
    - cozmikrae pushes Red more, and Red defends cozmikrae.
    - Michi provides his defense. On a second thought not as solid as I thought since it's not really hitting the core of the accusation. At the same time kinda overdefensive for someone that seems to have thrown the game?

    Page 9:
    - Kane makes a small vote analysis.
    - Michi attempts to explain his defense further. I feel some sort of spite towards new mafia and considering it hostile towards newer players. I think some of these are fair observations on a personal level. Suggesting who the cop should check this early isn't good though. I find it kinda funny that Sapph ended up doing it anyway, if it wasn't a coincidence it was bit of a risky move if Michi is scum since scum could've killed them so we didn't have any results (maybe they tried to but the doctor also saw this post and stopped it? hmm). Saying they won't vote because they're afraid of killing off a role this early is silly unless they're insanely superstitious; even if it was at random, there was a higher chance of hitting scum than a Power Role, and a much higher chance of hitting vanilla.
    - Strong push on Michi from Vro; Vro started the wagon on Michi with their vote observation, so this is coherent. Michi doesn't care, lmao.

    Page 10:
    - cozmikrae isn't new to Mafia/WW. Now I feel bad for asking it when she had already said so umu. Not sure if I follow her logic there.
    - How did wolves even manage to win more when yall use a Masonfier Cop as standard? :aaaAAA:
    - I kinda agree with Wischland's argument and vote on Michi, although it seems a bit pushy. Makes me think a Wischland/Michi team is unlikely if one of them flips scum.

    Page 11:
    - Ok, so at this point of the day we have Hapi as a policy lynch and Michi with a wagon that has some logic provided by Vro. It has gotten momentum from Silver's vote (!!) and Wischland's vote.
    - I don't get why Kane would clear Nyghts out of nowhere since I saw little to nothing that stood out from him. Stays on the fence about the current discussion, not providing an interpretation of any sort to it. In the end votes someone that wasn't listed among their suspicions, hasn't posted yet and that isn't in the risk of getting lynched.
    - Vro points out they noticed something about BSR (later showing it was linking them with Michi). Silver shows interest in this.
    - Minish makes a small readlist. (Red, Ruguo, Michi, Ogun, and Kane) as scummy players.

    Page 12:
    - Wintermoot votes somewhere outside the main wagons and makes a votecount timeline. Minish joins.
    - I actually like Vro's post questioning Min.
    - "Hypothetically, if I'm scum here do you think Wintermoot is also my scumbud?" what question even is this Min :weary: I'm only not slapping bright red in this because I don't think I've ever seen you being that agreeable with scumbuddies.
    - Mel fearmongered everyone a bit here, Michi only had 1 vote more than Red. "substantial lead" isn't really the term I'd use, specially in a game where 83% of players started as Town, maybe.
    - Lol, Minish also said she isn't that agreeable with scumbuds, yeet. Self awareness of Meta though :glare:

    Page 13:
    - Doc points out it's not really a substantial lead, and seems to push that there might be scum in the leading wagons. Also throws shade on Moot. Makes me think that a Michi/Doc team is unlikely if Michi flips scum, although not impossible.
    - BSR liked Red's defense of him. Unfortunately we can't see timestamp on the likes, so not sure if that points out to lurking or if he caught up with the thread at some point. Although Vro's connection between Michi and BSR was a thing already, so he was definitely lurking at some point. Kane also calls out the lurkiness. Makes me think a Vro/BSR or Kane/BSR team is unlikely if BSR flips scum.

    Page 14:
    - Silver not really taking many sides. Shrugs Red-comz, kinda defends Moot, and dances around Minish a bit in what feels like pocketing. Makes me think a bit about a Silver/Moot scumteam. Throws big shade at Gerrick and BSR, not necessarily AI but the way this is phrased feels artificial and like BSR might be a scumbuddy and he's trying to raise a flag saying "be a bit more active so they stop going after you), while with Gerrick is more like an attempt to pocket Nyghts.
    - Red points out that Gerrick's behavior is NAI, which kinda makes me think my previous assumptions might be on the right track.
    - Minish gives the Michi wagon momentum, it's likely to be the lynch wagon of the day now.
    - cozmikrae places a defensive vote, closes the gap Minish had just opened. I noticed she didn't talk about the Michi situation at any point despite apparently being keeping track of the votes. Makes me think a Michi/cozmikrae scumteam might be possible if any of them flip scum.
    - Hyperdefensive post of Kane coming outta literally nowhere. Stays in place.

    Page 15:
    - Hapi kinda throws here that she'd rather die than vote Mitch since she's townreading him. This could've opened some space for scum to switch the lynch into her.
    - Gerrick makes a readslist. I don't agree with some stuff like Kane helping finding scum when all he did was vote a random person and self-defend out of the blue.
    - cozmikrae: "I also believe having a vote, even if potentially wrong, is better than having no vote". Lol, this didn't age well after D3.
    - Red suggests Silver as an option. Which is, uh, interesting. I'll have to check later if they pushed Silver D2.

    Page 16:
    - Vro unvotes Michi. I hate this. He provided a good reasoning that started the wagon and kept saying on how much a possible Michi lynch would provide information, but then willingly backs off (Michi hadn't even posted in the thread for a while now) and says he'll "give Michi a chance". He then votes again off in the following page. This makes me think Vro and Michi aren't likely to be on the same team, with Vro coming off as scummy in this.
    - Hapi doubles down on asking to get lynched instead of Michi.

    Page 17:
    - Vro removes his vote. I don't remember anyone "uncomfortable" with the Michi vote. I don't see why they didn't vote Hapi (if they wanted to do her will they'd've voted, and if they thought she was Town he would've kept it). This comes off as a scummy way to not appear on the final vote counts and bank on people's laziness to not remember what happened at EoD.
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  • Ok wow so Michi didn't self pres vote D1?
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  • Ok wow so Michi didn't self pres vote D1?
    Going to look back at the timings of the voting and when Michi was last online because I don't think wolf!Michi ever lets themself be the joint leader for a lynch if they're online and can just... vote Hapi.
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  • Ok wow so Michi didn't self pres vote D1?
    Doesn't seem like it. I'm not sure what to make out of it honestly.
    The wagons were tied when Vro unvoted and asked Michi to defend himself, so he clearly had the opportunity.
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  • Silver ending the day Mid-early Michi when he could've jumped out at any point getting speed also makes me reconsider my read on him, hmm. I know Silver just witnessed a day where scum was bussed super early, but I'm not sure if he'd do that himself D1.

    Now into D2, yeet.
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  • Silver ending the day Mid-early Michi when he could've jumped out at any point getting speed also makes me reconsider my read on him, hmm. I know Silver just witnessed a day where scum was bussed super early, but I'm not sure if he'd do that himself D1.

    Now into D2, yeet.
    Ok so I've just checked back and I don't see Michi being online for certain after Vro voted them again so I don't think it's possible to 100% clear then based on this. It would be a really weird play not to self preserve if you were a major wagon (even if not strictly in the lead) as both alignments honestly although I think it's more likely for town to do so than a wolf (see: Hapi).

    This is getting into tinfoil territory now but in the case of Michi, it seems pretty clear that they felt pretty demoralised towards EoD1 and have subsequently mostly dipped from the game so I'm wondering if dying D1 was either a planned bus by Ruguo (/ other maf) to get the other maf extra cred or if Michi had just given up and accepted the lynch (as either alignment)? Honestly the giving up feels towny but I'm really hesitant to misclear Michi here so I'll hold off an a judgement yet.

    Michi, when you're online, would you be able to explain your thought process / why you didn't vote D1 to me please?
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