I'll be honest, I have never felt this lost in a game. Besides what I've posted in previous rounds, I have no new insights. The last day and today especially, I feel like I'm drowning in noise, and maybe that's part of what's making the more inactive people suspicious (unless I missed something, I still don't understand why BSR keeps coming up other than that he's been minimally active).
Between Kane and TGN I will
vote: TGN.
I don't have a strong read either way, certainly not enough to make a wagon on TGN bigger. On one hand, I still think it's unlikely that Ruguo would make a show of coaching him as a fellow wolf just in case one of them were exposed in the future. On the other hand, there's the post Sapph made:
Also, I don't believe it's that implausible for a person to be given the scum role twice in a role. You guys make it sound like Doc wasn't consecutively Wolf before.
The line seems out of place to me, coming at a time when Sapphiron was responding to the liklihood that he would be killed off, which makes me feel like it was supposed to be foreboding. Even if you believe that though, and we have a situation where someone is a wolf again, was he talking about TGN or Doc, both of whom were wolves in the last game?
Doc is voting for TGN as well, and has made much to do about a Vro-TGN connection (though not so much this round). As I pointed out last round, he also foreshadowed a situation pretty much like what ended up happening between Ruguo and TGN. The difference is in his situation he stated it would be proof that one of the people involved isn't a wolf, and yet he's been on TGN despite his own logic that should lead him to conclude that TGN isn't one. Unless I missed it, I don't think Doc ever replied to my post from last round about it, either.
So by itself I don't have a feel for TGN, but taken together I'm suspicious that either TGN, Doc, or both (lol, wouldn't that be a trip?) could be wolves. I know if TGN turns out to be town I'm going to look suspicious as well for voting with Kane (and against Vro? I thought I read that as a reason I was suspicious before), but the only alternative I could do is a vanity vote on Doc, and that seems kinda useless with less than an hour left in the round.
Ok, I don’t get why you’re putting this as if it’s hypercompetitive because this really isn’t about that, and ZD isn’t competitive at all but ok (feel free to visit us wink wink). We all have a team assigned to and we’re looking for ways to win with them. Wanting stronger players to survive until -Lo is just a consequence of that, it has nothing to do with being competitive.
I think it's a cultural difference between sites. Wintreath has always been a community of friends, so the idea that we should kill off people (friends) whose playstyles aren't helping town can come off as a bit of a shock, even if you're technically right that doing so would probably help town by cutting down the "noise". I think for a lot of people it's more important to make sure everyone has a fun time playing than to win, and against that the idea can come across as competitive. I think that's where Michi is coming from.
It's more knowing what to look for to be honest. The reason why people are saying it's so obvious is because saying something like "I'm better off alive than dead" is a generally recognisable code for "I'm a power role" in most games so more experienced players probably noticed it out of habit.
If that's all it takes to make people believe you're in a power role and not get voted off, then the wolves should be all over that shit. I saw it in the exact opposite way...the most generic defense you could make besides "I'm not the wolf". I'm not saying he should have revealed his role, I'm just saying a more comprehensive defense would have made me more hesitant to vote for him. I only had a chance to review the day a few hours before it ended, I didn't feel strongly either way between Sapph and TGN, and after changing my mind a few times between them (and once almost voting Vro as well), I decided Sapph was the more suspicious person to me between him and TGN.
I will say I'm honestly shocked that so many people believe someone saying they're better off alive than did is a reason not to vote for them. The way I see it, anybody is going to claim that if they're in trouble.
