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[Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?]

Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?

Yes

7 (87.5%)

No

1 (12.5%)

Total Members Voted: 8

Voting closed: February 24, 2021, 10:57:44 AM

Can you give me a full reads list at this moment in time, Kane?
Even just where you rank everyone on the suspo-meter. You're giving a fair amount of AtE, and there's no way of me knowing if you did read that post or not. I believe that you may not have read everything, it was an overwhelming day, but still your statement has some less than ideal defenses.

Lots of people jumping on the TGN wagon now. I'd certainly expect at least one wolf will be on his wagon whether he's scum or not. @Laurentus can we have a vote count please?

Honestly, I think it might just be time to lynch TGN -- as other have pointed out -- based on the fact that it seems we're always gonna be coming back to him as one of the top wagons.

Vote: TGN

My other top scum read is cozmikrae. The only thing preventing me from voting her (besides TGN) is the fact she voted relatively early for Ruguo (vote number 4 of 9) on D2 (but that could've been Ruguo allowing her to bus them for town cred since they're now focused on hosting the next werewolf). Besides the fact that she pulled a Vro on D3 and unvoted TGN at the last minute (almost literally), which caused Sapphiron to get coinflip-lynched, her actions on D2 were suspicious.

Early on D2, her vote on TGN was only the second vote at the time (besides Doc's vote on Vro, as well as TGN's vote and unvote on Wintermoot if you count that). Later she switched her vote from TGN to Vroendal based on the fact that TGN gave a reads list (having made a promise that she'd unvote him if he did so, just as Ruguo did...) and that Vroendal caused Hapi's coinflip lynch on D1 (which she ironically did on D3...) -- note that her vote on Vroendal put him in the majority. She soon after switched to No Lynch immediately after Ruguo also voted for Vroendal. She had a short back and forth with Ruguo on why she shouldn't join the bandwagon on them (Vroendal had switched to vote for Ruguo immediately after cozmik's No Lynch vote, putting Ruguo at 3 votes versus Vro's 6). She replies to Ruguo, "But the TGN thing either links you two, or makes you town. I’m still inclined to think TGN is innocent. So still no lynch for me I suppose" (since Ruguo flipped scum, that means TGN is as well, right?). 17 minutes later, Melehan makes a comment about how both Ruguo and I were on Michi's wagon D1. This somehow was enough to make her switch to vote for Ruguo. Strange that after Ruguo flipped scum that she didn't immediately jump on me D3.

@cozmikrae, you've mentioned multiple times that you're suspicious of ExLight. What's pinging you about him?

So I'm trying to do an ISO of ExLight while simultaneously braiding my hair.

They were quite aggressive with their sussing. Talking about "optimal wagons for the day" didn't strike me as townie, but rather as a wolf tossing the accusations around trying to get someone lynched ASAP. When I said I was suspicious of them, they "pinky promised" that they were town, and Minish refused to back that up. That might say more about Minish than ExLight. Either way, a pinky promise is weak. Someone else said they were sus, "I'm clearly town" was the defense.

Aggressive and serious about the accusations, and lackluster, jokey defenses.

(Sorry for the flood of posts)

I think you all have actually convinced me that TGN could be a titan.  The main reason is the posts I have seen from this day phase mentioning the confidence could be indicative of the Armored Titan (or whichever one is the one that has protection from lynching (its possible it could be a different titan for all we know)).  I had been somewhat suspicious of them but I was in a pity state of mind (despite what I had seen in LOTR Werewolf, also I am not sure I actually read through the whole game; if I did that was when the game ended and not during this game (also pretty sure I only skimmed through the last day phases when I was reading that game)).

Honestly, I still am not sure if I really have a case against BSR and Wintermoot.  I am seeing plenty of not suspicious signs from both but also the arguments made by others (along with memories from other games) are contributing to my own suspicions of them.  I don't see a connection between either one or anyone else though.  Maybe if I read through the whole thread I might find one (university is rough on my time (I do not lie about that despite that being a "convenient excuse" since I am sacrificing a significant amount of time making this post that I could have been using for this ASL assignment that requires my attention)).

My full reads list now are pretty much:
Town Lock
Myself (We seem to have different ideas of Town behavior.  Voting away from bandwagons is definitely not suspicious in my book but aside from that last lynch that I hate myself for, I think I have been helpful overall, if paranoid (another thing that is not suspicious in my book)).  Being too active and not active enough are some things I find suspicious.  Too active makes me worried about powerwolving (even if they seem relatively safe), not active enough could be a quiet wolf or town (not much difference unfortunately and pressuring is something I am uncomfortable doing).

Town Lean and Null (at this point I don't see much difference because even the ones I had been thinking were fully town I can't help but think may still be against us in some way)

Everyone else  ((If I find the time to fully read through the thread, then maybe I can differentiate people here.)

Scum side of Null

BSR, Wintermoot

Scum Lean

TGN

Oh Appeal to Emotion, that is what you are talking about.  That is true I am doing a lot of that, it seems like most people do that though.  Along with the Emotion I have been saying other things that I would think would help but apparently can mean completely different things to the people who see them otherwise.

Actually, Vroendal did the same thing with BSR mentioning something like, "Let's make BSR a main wagon today" I also didn't like that. But now that I've understood the "alliance" thing and Vro's defense of Sapph by getting Ghosh to move their vote, I'm not inclined to think Vro is a wolf. For now anyway.

can we get a vote count?

Here's what I've got.

TGN (6): Doc, ExLight, Minish, Red Mones, Gerrick, Kane
Kane (4): Legacy, Vroendal, TGN, cozmik
BSR (1): Michi
cozmik (1): HumanDawn
No vote: Wischland, BSR, Wintermoot, Nyght, Anubhav

@Anubhav Ghosh , you need to vote otherwise you'll be autolynched. Think there's about 1.5-2 hours left.

If you’re pitying them because they’re a newer player that’s fine, but it’s just part of the game and they’re just reaping what they sow, I feel a lot worse about someone that gets shot N1 regardless of their experience because they barely have a chance to do anything for themselves than someone lynched at D4 that was in the spotlight in the last 144h, but even so most (if not any) scum wouldn’t hold the kill. So yes, I’m not comfortable letting people play their own parallel game here in a game that is about teamwork like TGN did D2, it’s like letting a baby play with a beach ball in the middle of a soccer game but instead of a baby it’s a fully grown adult that is more than capable of understanding how they’re being disruptive.

Came back to this to point out TGN's a 13 year old kid, so he literally isn't fully grown nor an adult. Regardless, I think he should be capable of realizing that how he's playing compared to everyone else is not helping his cause.

are you serious?

So I'm trying to do an ISO of ExLight while simultaneously braiding my hair.

They were quite aggressive with their sussing. Talking about "optimal wagons for the day" didn't strike me as townie, but rather as a wolf tossing the accusations around trying to get someone lynched ASAP. When I said I was suspicious of them, they "pinky promised" that they were town, and Minish refused to back that up. That might say more about Minish than ExLight. Either way, a pinky promise is weak. Someone else said they were sus, "I'm clearly town" was the defense.

Aggressive and serious about the accusations, and lackluster, jokey defenses.

I already pinkie promised to be Town, you're wasting your time. Both HumanDawn and Minish vowed that I haven't lied about that so far throughout two years of playing mafia (plus hundreds of popcorn games on discord). Just trust me on this one because you'll lose your sanity trying to ISO me in vain, and if you're Town I wouldn't want that.

Uh oh. I am slowly running out of time and getting no closer to any clear thoughts about this phase's debate. Mushy tired Wisch brain is not good at figuring things out. So I'm just gonna drop some thoughts and we'll see I guess.

On TGN - the lack of a defense despite being on the line to be lynched again is strange, especially given that several people have said town would do whatever they can to defend themselves since they're the only ones they can trust. But for TGN, the lack of a defense kinda makes me think he is town. His scumbuds would probably advise him to try and defend himself, so the fact that he isn't makes me wonder if he's actually getting advice from anywhere. The way TGN acts strikes me more as the random acts of someone who really doesn't know what to do then someone acting new based on the directions of more experienced scumbuds.

BSR - Made more posts, all with pretty good logic as I can see. Since this is apparently BSR's normal way of playing I'm generally feeling better about BSR.

Cozmik, Kane - Lots of complicated stuff going on here. Honestly I haven't been able to follow all of today's developments on these two, but generally they both see sus and people I trust are bringing up pretty good points against them.

As for my vote, I keep going back and forth. I can see the value of an info lynch of TGN, but also I feel better voting for someone I think as more likely to be scum. So it's a tough call, but ultimately I think I'm gonna:

Vote: Imaginative Kane

Though I think even with my vote, TGN is on the chopping block by the looks of it.

What the fuck you all mean he's 13 years old tho
is this legit

What was up with some people D2 emphasizing how he's a lot more clever than he seems and how we should be expecting shit from him and all? sigh

Imaginative Kane

After last day , I wish I am right here . I find Kane suspicious , there was sone hinting from Sapph , which if he is the seer , holds some meaning and the time at which it came , i lean on the fact that he made a scumread . It is not possible that he will try creating another wagon , with TGN's already flooding . Also the crude distancing of Ruguo in D2 , the indications of poem as said by NyghtOwl , the No lynch thing ... I find everything adding up

Imaginative Kane

After last day , I wish I am right here . I find Kane suspicious , there was sone hinting from Sapph , which if he is the seer , holds some meaning and the time at which it came , i lean on the fact that he made a scumread . It is not possible that he will try creating another wagon , with TGN's already flooding . Also the crude distancing of Ruguo in D2 , the indications of poem as said by NyghtOwl , the No lynch thing ... I find everything adding up

EBWOP , forgot to type out vote

Vote:Imaginative Kane

What the fuck you all mean he's 13 years old tho
is this legit

What was up with some people D2 emphasizing how he's a lot more clever than he seems and how we should be expecting shit from him and all? sigh

Yeah, as far as we're all aware, he's 13. I think the D2 stuff was from people who played in the last Werewolf (the Lord of the Rings one) where he was scum and got pretty far because everyone wrote him off as town since he's so young and inexperienced. So they're saying that you should watch out for him as just because he's playing innocent doesn't mean he isn't scum.