Alrighty, so I'm still catching up with things, so this is going to be a probably sporadic sounding post.
First, I didn't even realize Sapph posted a poem. The only problem with that is that there's 5000 different ways it could be interpreted. It could be the first letters having some secondary meaning, the poem could have a hidden meaning within the lines, it could be a complete allusion to a singular person based on meta-purposes to implicate them, etc...
And the problem with
that is that unless we can find the completely infallible clear-cut meaning, we could be wrongfully speculating on people that weren't meant to be speculated on. I'd say still see what comes about it, but to be careful about speculating too hard and throwing arguments if you're not 100% sure so that we don't accidentally go after the wrong person that the poem wasn't intending to implicate.
Right now, I'm still
very skeptical about the scum-nature of TGN. He's had some questionable moments, but I'm still in the mindset that I just don't think he'd be a wolf twice in his first two games. Hell even the guy who usually rolls it because he has weird luck had 2 games in between his first wolf role (and first game in general) and the next time he was rolled (first time in WWXI, second time in XIV.2). Is it always possible to happen to a new player? Absolutely, but I think the statistic is so incredibly low that I don't think it's a possibility.
Moot so far reads to me like I'm used to seeing from him in more of a town role, if I'm being honest. From my experience in hosting games with him as a wolf, he's usually much more withdrawn and away from the game when he's a wolf...whereas he's usually more active and pushing arguments even when he's more of a town (aka pretty much a reverse of how I can be in both scenarios).
I do also want to hear more on the concrete feeling people seem to have on Nyght. I get wanting to have a free pass for a new player throughout, but I can easily name at
least 2+ players who started their first WW game as Scum (and actually did previously...TGN and Doc. Lumenland from 6 was another one), so the idea that a new player is an obvious town clear just makes zero sense to me. Like, I'm willing to go with his arguments being reason that he could be town (since they've been pretty solid), but the immediate new = town thing just doesn't sit well with me since we have new player history that completely contradicts that argument.
As for BSR, this feels about like the normal time that he picks up a bit more in games. From what I can remember hosting (though I'll admit I have the memory of a gnat), he's usually pretty quiet the first couple of day phases, and then starts to pick up with his posting as the days progress. That part (again how I remember it) is usually consistent between both his scum and townie sides.
In all honesty, I'm not really sure which road to tackle since I haven't been paying the greatest attention to pick up on any specific tells that stand out to me. But I also realize that I have to vote this phase or otherwise get modkilled.
TGN at this point should almost be lynched to get him out of the question because I know discussion is always going to end back up on him.
That's kind of an oof post. Unless you legit believe that he's a Titan and want to back that up with a lynch, saying along the lines of "he should be lynched because he'll just be a continued conversation point otherwise" is kind of counterproductive. If you believe he's townie, rather than suggesting just throwing him out you should be working on convincing people why you think he's town so that we can move on to the actual suspicious players.
If Hapi is any indication since she's normally been town, voting someone out when they become a talking point because of their unusual play style doesn't usually work in a way that favors town...especially when it's a newer player that isn't established in their gameplay enough (which is kind of weird to see people town-clearing 1st-game players, but scum-leaning on someone in their 2nd-game even though they rolled wolf last game).
And to end this thread, onto BSR:
I've been reading though, and something about the way he's been posting has been bothering me...though I can't exactly place what it is, but it's been giving me some weird vibes. Part of it is probably because of him saying this:
So I'm kicking myself that Sapph was still lynched even after I specifically stated that Sapph pretty much ONLY soft claims power roles when he's miffed at people who still suspect he's a "wolf" or something when he clearly isn't.
And from what I dug up, I never saw him actually say that.
I'm going to Vote: TGN
Not only to semi protect Sapph, who appears to be doing some pretty good hinting here, but also because Vro wants to defend TGN, which makes me suspicious, because Ruguo was scum and because Hapi was innocent. Do we not remember that Ruguo was trying to tie Hapi and myself and Sapph together, and then Hapi was flipped and Ruguo flipped scum? That should be obvious enough. Maybe I'm relying too much on Valeria being similar here, but I definitely don't think that we should vote off Sapph right now, especially if the power role is in play as a possibility
Also as far as defending myself from a mention which is now like ages ago, Vro and Ruguo were anti me the whole game basically, which makes me really think that they're scum and working together, which I think is an appropriate conclusion from my situation. *shrug*
LOL its been interesting to me as well. Perhaps they think I'm a better Laurentus Lite than I am in reality hahaha. I mean, either way, it')) backfire on them eventually so I dont know what they're doing? There are way too many townies for that not to occur...
Ideally we'd be voting Vro and not saving Sapph by lynching TGN, but I definitely don't like the last minute moves from people who are very vocal. That generally screams wolves dominating the narrative to me, which tends to make me more readily scum lean people who are dominating the conversation and making sweeping accusations against widely varying sets of players. Hilariously, my suspect list remains basically the same set of people it was after Hapi was killed, and is only more confidently Vro because he's really attacking me for... Not being active enough?
Activity, apart from the rare exception, is generally the wolves, and seeing that Ruguo flipped red, he's probably smart enough to have created a coordinated attack at the beginning with each wolf being a separate big personality, which is generally a good strategy. That's generally what I'd do if I were a wolf, and then painting anyone who objects to my questioning as suspicious or irrelevant as paranoid and wolfish. Which works quite well quite often
Sure, he mentions Sapph a few times about him doing some hints, but nowhere does he say anything about Sapph only does claims when he's miffed at people crying wolf on him. And he even claimed that his reason for voting TGN was to "Semi" save Sapph, but also because Vro wanted to defend TGN.
That coupled his "Ideally, we'd be voting Vro and not saving Sapph by lynching TGN" just really doesn't sit well with me, especially after he just got done saying that Sapph is a power role, so saving Sapph would pretty much be on the top of the list if he thought Sapph was genuinely softing a power role because of his reasoning he claimed to have stated in the first quote.
