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[Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?]

Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?

Yes

7 (87.5%)

No

1 (12.5%)

Total Members Voted: 8

Voting closed: February 24, 2021, 10:57:44 AM

I can’t believe you’re acting like I’d ever lie with a pinkie promise :aaaAAA:

You’re good at interpreting poetry, what do you think of the poem he left us? I tried checking for breadcrumbing through hidden code but didn’t really find anything so if it softed results it’s likely in its meaning.

Why wouldn't you when you know you could get away with it? Haha.


I'll have to look at the poem again. I tried to see if he was softing cop in it when I woke up and saw the flip but didn't see anything in it. Need to see if maybe he was softing results.


Also Nyght was a town read because this is his first game and he seemed to have townie analysis d1 for his first game.

Also, I downloaded the print page after eod3 so if the electric goes out from this ice storm I can still go back over stuff for a while at least. Haha.

Bleh... we lynched the Cop. This affirms my strategy that if you are a power player, you don't let roles drag you down. Can't even claim this game so it's hard to do it is as a back-up claim. Good that we got another Nightkill blocked - I wonder if the Doctors figured each other out and they're in a safe loop?0 Maybe scum targeted their N1 kill again?

Can I get a quick vote count please? (in case somebody has been taking count)

TGN looks like he is about to be lynched - I don't feel confident pushing this but admittedly I don't have as much of a grasp of the game as other players so my opinion may be moot in who we should actually lynch. I don't buy that the whole thing was distancing. From my experience, how Ruguo coached TGN seems familiar of how I've seen scum coach town in how they act overly friendly. Ruguo would have had more success in trying to be combative to TGN to distance rather than give advice. Maybe you can argue that it's WIFOM and that's what they wanted me to think, but it's not the impression I'm getting at least.

@cozmikrae - Could you link me to the post that shows Ruguo linking himself to TGN?

The posts in question:

Ruguo accidentally linking himself to TGN

*insert generic complaint about reading the thread here*

Aww, Min doesn't like me anymore. That's sad. In my defense though, when have I ever scumhunted? I think I did one misguided attempt at attacking last game and a lot of waffling between the wifom.

Hey TGN, It's good to bring up past game in our defense, but do be careful that defending yourself or omgus voting isn't the only actions you contribute. I think the best way for you to absolve yourself would be to tell us how you're feeling about certain players, especially those of interest today. That currently seems to include You, BSR, Vro, Somewhat Michi, and I guess also me. Hooray, I'm interesting! I think Red could also be considered interesting if you wanna talk about that too.

I'd like to take a closer look at Sapph- something seems a bit off there. Now I could be misremembering, but I've come to expect longer and more of a...frustrated yet cheerful headvoice from him. I'm getting more of a blase feeling, and I don't remember if that's good or bad. So I guess I'll go ISO and see if anything else seems of at some point.

My post was neither defensive or in response to 'suspicion thrown' my way. Ruguo just said I expanded a lot on a little for no good reason, and I legitimately wonder why people feel that way because it came up after D1 last game as well. Expanding a lot on a little is what everyone does on D1, so why is it odd that I do it?

That's fair, I wasn't sussing you, just trying to connect to your shoes. You just have a tendency to pick out somewhat strange things compared to others, Moot. That's not bad.

That's about what I've got, yup.

EBWOP: It would appear I forgot a Y in my post and have somehow ended up linking myself to TGN.

Hey TGN, It's good to bring up past game in your defense,

It's supposed to be like that. Sorry.

Just a potential Freudian slip. If you want to read it in context, this is about page 26. What was funny was how quickly he came back to fix it. I literally would never have noticed otherwise.

Oh wow, this is really damning... I guess one can argue that it could be a plot by Ruguo to link himself with TGN and then unlink himself for WIFOM to suspect TGN later - but at that point, Ruguo wasn't really in much heat to get lynched. In light of this I'm... okay with TGN being lynched.

So I'm gonna have to BSR. I simply haven't seen a coherent defense from him as of yet.

What did you think of the Sapph and TGN votes at that time?

I would not necessarily be that annoyed this time if I was lynched though I definitely would not recommend doing it.  @Legacy of Smiles and @ExlLght could you explain why I am sus?  I think I understand that some of the cause is just from my regular playstyle (voting away from the wagons and holding back information that I lack), or is that wrong?

I'm not really sure, I think there were a few posts of yours that pinged me a bit.
From the top of my head I remember you burning your No Lynch really early on, that vote defending yourself seemed a bit outta nowhere and hyperdefensive, and you being on the fence about Silver.

You also seem to only have voted for BSR throughout the whole game despite his wagon never being viable, which gives limited information for us. A bit funny you didn't seem to pressure them this phase despite this being the closest he got of being lynched tho.

I was not actually intending to No Lynch and I did not officially use it since I changed my vote to BSR.  My reason for the early defensive posts is just to start preparing a defense early since I usually seem to be suspicious which often results in some wagon danger.

That is true that I only voted for BSR, my reasoning for that was because I did not see agree with the major wagons that were up on those days (I found out how wrong that belief was last day phase but was correct on the first day phase).  The only reason I ever join those wagons is because I fully agree or mostly agree and find them suspicious.  Otherwise, I vote for someone else who I find suspicious despite it not making a difference.  That is just how I vote normally, sorry if that makes you suspicious of me.  The reason I have not pressured them in this day phase is because I have not been online for most of this day phase.  Yesterday, I simply did not open up this website or log in because I was starting on some assignments and watching some shows.  The one post I did make, I think explains well enough why I did not vote at that point in time.

This is a really good defense - makes me feel a lot better about this slot.

I'm going to Vote: TGN

Not only to semi protect Sapph, who appears to be doing some pretty good hinting here, but also because Vro wants to defend TGN, which makes me suspicious, because Ruguo was scum and because Hapi was innocent.  Do we not remember that Ruguo was trying to tie Hapi and myself and Sapph together, and then Hapi was flipped and Ruguo flipped scum?  That should be obvious enough.  Maybe I'm relying too much on Valeria being similar here, but I definitely don't think that we should vote off Sapph right now, especially if the power role is in play as a possibility

Also as far as defending myself from a mention which is now like ages ago, Vro and Ruguo were anti me the whole game basically, which makes me really think that they're scum and working together, which I think is an appropriate conclusion from my situation.  *shrug*

Considering Sapph just softed a few posts before this, this is a really good action to take. I'm not a believer in Vro and TGN being linked from Vro defending TGN, but yeah, this was the best possible action to take. Considering there are two Doctors - Mafia would try to find any excuse to get a potential PR lynched.

Unfortunately, you either trust me or you don't. I am not going to commit the same sin as I have done last game, allowing over-investment in the game to result in roleclaiming and rule breach. That will have to do to explain for my detached way of playing this round. You guys will find out whether you are right or wrong in lynching me soon enough.

Also, I don't believe it's that implausible for a person to be given the scum role twice in a role. You guys make it sound like Doc wasn't consecutively Wolf before.

Hmm, that feels like more of a believable motivation.

However, I should also note that I think you're veering too far in the direction of the other extreme. If you do end up being lynched as a power role, I would consider the lack of a quality (or really any kind of) defense to be throwing in a way as well. If I assume you have thought about this already, I am left to suppose that you aren't a power role, or have a mindset of throwing on the other extreme to atone for throwing on the first extreme, which doesn't even make sense and I would not expect that from you.

I also really dislike that BSR is really latching onto the idea of you being a power role just from my slight musing, that's ringing alarm bells.

Can the option of lynching BSR still be on the table @ExLight? Just wondering.

What else do you expect him to do though? Why is it bad to play a bit safe?

Vro's voting and unvoting still remains questionable to me , after all , if he turns out as a scum , he will have the best knowledge about lynch consequences . Either way , I have strong gut feelings , that Vro will be lynched in all certainty . Ig everyone would be happy to remove one suspect of the list of scum than keep one hoping him to be innocent . Sorry Vro if this hurts u , but u made a bad name for urself. I hope u understand whatever the play is here , u have drawn far too much suspicion

this post raises !!! in my head

“ye bro sorry if you’re good man you brought it on yourself not because our thinking could be wrong”

This was a decoy sort of post i would say . What i was looking for was retaliation , which unfortunately took place before this post as many cited Vro's chance of being a townie and no one . I looked out for people who did not retaliate , because even after the best defenses and clarifications i stubbornly stood on my words , and said things as if it was fixed that Vro will be lynched by the town . The post did not go very well , as i did not receive counters until now , and here I am justifying why i did it . It was just a measure to clear out some people out of suspicion momentarily

Looking for retaliation makes sense. This post makes me feel a lot better about you. Your late vote on Ruguo at the end pings me, but... ehh?

I had to get my options reduced , I was pretty much sure that Vro was townie by then . However my doubts over the rest cleared up when Ruguo went in hot against Vro at the last moment, which looked like a vain push to me to save himself from getting lynched . And so the late voting . I was probably the 3rd/4th person voting for ruguo . Also voting and unvoting has got some big chaos running already , its better to vote once even if its late😅

I think your vote was way later than that. If I get to rereading the thread, I'll pay more attention to wagonicomics.

Updated vote count

Gerrick - 1 (Red Mones)
BSR - 2 (Gerrick, Nyght)
Sapphiron - 7 (Minish, Humandawn, Legacy of Smiles, Vroendal, TGN, Wintermoot, Imaginative Kane)
TGN - 6 (cozmikrae, Doc, ExLight, Wischland, Sapphiron, BSR)

Yet to vote: Anubhav, Michi

incoherant screaming

Town reads -
Red, Nyght, HD, cozmik, Gerrick, Doc, Michi, Wisch
Nulls -
Minish, Legacy, Exlight, Sapph, TGN, Wintermoot, Anubhav
Scum reads -
BSR

If I choose to trust Minish, Anubhav, Sapph, and Legacy through gut reads I can narrow down further. Legacy is sussing Kane, for what I don't know yet. If I then assume there is at least 1 wolf up in a wagon right now, the wolves are among BSR, TGN, Wintermoot, ExLight and Kane. If BSR is viable, I want to go for it.

Change Vote - BSR

I feel strongly about this.

Vote BSR?? For what, not voting the soft claimed PR?

D2 results -

Ruguo - 9 (Red Mones, Vroendal, Gerrick, Anubhav Ghosh, Sapphiron, Minish, Michi, Melehan, Cozmikrae)
Vroendal - 5 (Ruguo, BraveSirRobin, Wintermoot, NyghtOwl, Doc)
BraveSirRobin - 1 (Imaginative Kane)
Doc - 1 (TGN)
Eastern New England - 1 (Self)

Current D3 votecount -

Updated vote count

Gerrick - 1 (Red Mones)
BSR - 3 (Gerrick, Nyght, Vroendal)
Sapphiron - 6 (Minish, Humandawn, Legacy of Smiles, TGN, Wintermoot, Imaginative Kane)
TGN - 6 (cozmikrae, Doc, ExLight, Wischland, Sapphiron, BSR)

Noteable things to me -
Kane is no longer going after BSR but is instead going after Sapph when BSR is a wagon, Wintermoot is on an opposing wagon from me again, BraveSirRobin is on an opposing wagon from me again, TGN has just been chaos, and ExLight we need more info on.

From these observations alone, I think scum are likely to be among the players I just mentioned. I may not be right, but it's interesting that there are certain players who have opposing votes as me both yesterday and today when I was on a wagon against a Titan, just saying.

I'm not sure it means much - you're presenting the conflicting opinions in a really simplistic manner without biting in how it's suspicious. Is the progression from one player to another bad? Players can have opposing view points and still share your alignment - stating that they're suspicious just because they vote opposing wagons isn't really insightful or encouraging.

Can I get a quick vote count please? (in case somebody has been taking count)

TGN looks like he is about to be lynched - I don't feel confident pushing this but admittedly I don't have as much of a grasp of the game as other players so my opinion may be moot in who we should actually lynch. I don't buy that the whole thing was distancing. From my experience, how Ruguo coached TGN seems familiar of how I've seen scum coach town in how they act overly friendly. Ruguo would have had more success in trying to be combative to TGN to distance rather than give advice. Maybe you can argue that it's WIFOM and that's what they wanted me to think, but it's not the impression I'm getting at least.

@cozmikrae - Could you link me to the post that shows Ruguo linking himself to TGN?

The posts in question:

Ruguo accidentally linking himself to TGN

*insert generic complaint about reading the thread here*

Aww, Min doesn't like me anymore. That's sad. In my defense though, when have I ever scumhunted? I think I did one misguided attempt at attacking last game and a lot of waffling between the wifom.

Hey TGN, It's good to bring up past game in our defense, but do be careful that defending yourself or omgus voting isn't the only actions you contribute. I think the best way for you to absolve yourself would be to tell us how you're feeling about certain players, especially those of interest today. That currently seems to include You, BSR, Vro, Somewhat Michi, and I guess also me. Hooray, I'm interesting! I think Red could also be considered interesting if you wanna talk about that too.

I'd like to take a closer look at Sapph- something seems a bit off there. Now I could be misremembering, but I've come to expect longer and more of a...frustrated yet cheerful headvoice from him. I'm getting more of a blase feeling, and I don't remember if that's good or bad. So I guess I'll go ISO and see if anything else seems of at some point.

My post was neither defensive or in response to 'suspicion thrown' my way. Ruguo just said I expanded a lot on a little for no good reason, and I legitimately wonder why people feel that way because it came up after D1 last game as well. Expanding a lot on a little is what everyone does on D1, so why is it odd that I do it?

That's fair, I wasn't sussing you, just trying to connect to your shoes. You just have a tendency to pick out somewhat strange things compared to others, Moot. That's not bad.

That's about what I've got, yup.

EBWOP: It would appear I forgot a Y in my post and have somehow ended up linking myself to TGN.

Hey TGN, It's good to bring up past game in your defense,

It's supposed to be like that. Sorry.

Just a potential Freudian slip. If you want to read it in context, this is about page 26. What was funny was how quickly he came back to fix it. I literally would never have noticed otherwise.

Oh wow, this is really damning... I guess one can argue that it could be a plot by Ruguo to link himself with TGN and then unlink himself for WIFOM to suspect TGN later - but at that point, Ruguo wasn't really in much heat to get lynched. In light of this I'm... okay with TGN being lynched.

This is...not damning at all. It just looks like very easy typo to make to me. Our vs your is a normal typo. I really don't think scum makes that kind of slip, regardless of if TGN is scum. This is like people thinking I slipped for calling the defender doc, when there's a player named Doc.

I have my suspicions looming over Kane , but its basically of no use to create wagon that most certainly won't reap .

As for me I feel TGN is just desperate , his lack of reasoning might be the lack of posts he has , which is why he can't fall back and quote something to prove his innocence , and with time running out , he is making impulsive comments . Again the scumchat stuff is quite a good point and the fact Ruguo made his place in TGN's top town reads also arouses suspicion.

However weighing both the views i believe TGN might be on the good side .

Hence , Vote:Sapphiron

Conveniently ignores the soft claim from Sapph and even the discussion about the soft, instead mostly explaining why he is not voting TGN rather than explain why he is voting for Sapph.

I'd like to hear about the suspicions looming over Kane.

This is...not damning at all. It just looks like very easy typo to make to me. Our vs your is a normal typo. I really don't think scum makes that kind of slip, regardless of if TGN is scum. This is like people thinking I slipped for calling the defender doc, when there's a player named Doc.

I don't think it's like saying you slipped for calling the defender Doc when that has to do with a player name which could confuse others. Even so, I'm not going to lynch TGN over it alone. He was the better lynch for Day 3 and if I was around for EoD I would have probably voted for him over Sapph.

This is...not damning at all. It just looks like very easy typo to make to me. Our vs your is a normal typo. I really don't think scum makes that kind of slip, regardless of if TGN is scum. This is like people thinking I slipped for calling the defender doc, when there's a player named Doc.

I don't think it's like saying you slipped for calling the defender Doc when that has to do with a player name which could confuse others. Even so, I'm not going to lynch TGN over it alone. He was the better lynch for Day 3 and if I was around for EoD I would have probably voted for him over Sapph.

I mean it kind of is because even after I explained it Mele still thought it was a scumslip.

I think it's fair to scumread TGN and he would've been lynched had I been around at eod. I just don't think a typo is indicative of a slip and don't think it's good evidence against TGN.