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[Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?]

Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?

Yes

7 (87.5%)

No

1 (12.5%)

Total Members Voted: 8

Voting closed: February 24, 2021, 10:57:44 AM

@Wischland
Also I don't get the whole "weird voting patterns" thing against me. @ExLight can tell you those are pretty normal voting patterns for ZD.


I was one of the first person to voice suspicions about Ruguo d1. I was really considering voting him then but he was far from a major topic of discussion and I couldn't really make a push right before going to bed and get people on board. So I left my vote on someone who was a potential lynch candidate, because going to bed and not being around for eod means you kinda have to try to do your best with what you think might happen.


Also like, I broke the tie between Silver and Vro by voting for Silver. Y'all severly underestimate the amount of bussing I'll do for town cred. Like that is not my method of bussing at all. I would have 100% voted Silver d1  before I went to bed in that case.

I actually raised an eyebrow at some point because the votes seemed a bit all over the place lmao
But considering it felt like the complete opposite as you in this last game where you had much more dry and fixed votes I didn’t really pay it much mind
I can’t really speak about it being normal because I don’t really get what they’re finding unnatural in the first place so

I’m a bit curious about your push on Silver tho, I might be misremembering but you kinda pressured him and the basically-Storm dude (TGS the name I think?) when there weren’t many people interested in them, wasn’t there anyone from your scumleans with a growing wagon at the time? why try to start one on them?

this last part about “this is not my bussing style” is WIFOM and you know that lmao

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@Wischland
Also I don't get the whole "weird voting patterns" thing against me. @ExLight can tell you those are pretty normal voting patterns for ZD.


I was one of the first person to voice suspicions about Ruguo d1. I was really considering voting him then but he was far from a major topic of discussion and I couldn't really make a push right before going to bed and get people on board. So I left my vote on someone who was a potential lynch candidate, because going to bed and not being around for eod means you kinda have to try to do your best with what you think might happen.


Also like, I broke the tie between Silver and Vro by voting for Silver. Y'all severly underestimate the amount of bussing I'll do for town cred. Like that is not my method of bussing at all. I would have 100% voted Silver d1  before I went to bed in that case.

I actually raised an eyebrow at some point because the votes seemed a bit all over the place lmao
But considering it felt like the complete opposite as you in this last game where you had much more dry and fixed votes I didn’t really pay it much mind
I can’t really speak about it being normal because I don’t really get what they’re finding unnatural in the first place so

I’m a bit curious about your push on Silver tho, I might be misremembering but you kinda pressured him and the basically-Storm dude (TGS the name I think?) when there weren’t many people interested in them, wasn’t there anyone from your scumleans with a growing wagon at the time? why try to start one on them?

this last part about “this is not my bussing style” is WIFOM and you know that lmao

I've definitely had games where I jump votes around early on due to lack of no real solid lead. But you are right that as scum I tend to stick to votes because I know what I'm going for and have a lot more information.

TGN? Ruguo was probably my biggest gut feeling scum lean just because we've played with him enough. But he's also only been scum once so I was uncertain. TGN was definitely part of the focus when I voted him though. That's part of why I abandoned Ruguo at the time to push TGN, because I thought he was more viable. I didn't really have any other scum leans at the time other than just a list of people I narrowed down from d1 vote. But nothing solid there. Doc made a good point about Vro and TGN being possibly connected and I wanted to explore that. I was back and forth on Vro. You can see I argued with him for quite a while but never voted him nor did I ever really I thought he was scum, but rather I saw scum motivation behind some of his actions. I was really wanting to figure out if he was town, especially after last game when I first scum read him and so did everyone else. But he got me on the same page and the heat lessened. I needed to get to that same place with him again. And so I didn't want to join the growing wagon on Vro to explore that connection because I wasn't sold. But TGN was in my PoE as well, and was being generally unhelpful.

@ExLight

Forgot to address that last part. It's not really wifom when it's completely against my meta. Why would I do a worse play as scum to get suspicion on me rather than something I know works and knows get me town cred. It doesn't help me to change my scum play if it's a worse play.

Whether or not it’s against your meta is for the other players to decide, otherwise it’s WIFOM yeet

If people are aware of their own meta as each alignment they can easily fake it and just point out how out of place it is lol

I feel like this topic is coming up in the thread so I'm going to share my opinion on it: it's a really bad move to no lynch in this game.

This is because in situations with an odd number of players, a no lynch actually reduces the number of actual lynches we would have. So no lynching doesn't actually give us an extra day in this game - it gives us the same number of days but with one less chance to kill a suspicious person (at the end of the game, we will be left with 4 people rather than 3 if we no lynch).

Sorry for the weird post but I know there are inexperienced players in this game and just wanted to clarify that to everyone.

Whether or not it’s against your meta is for the other players to decide, otherwise it’s WIFOM yeet

If people are aware of their own meta as each alignment they can easily fake it and just point out how out of place it is lol

Not entirely. Most of these people don't know my meta. I can link scum games to show it's not. I already linked our recent game. You also know it's not my meta.


And I just explained why that wasn't the case. Haha. I'm not going to play worse so that I can change up my meta. You know I have pretty strict views on mafia and think that you always play the best and don't do suboptimal moves even if they could have minor benefits.

Whether or not it’s against your meta is for the other players to decide, otherwise it’s WIFOM yeet

If people are aware of their own meta as each alignment they can easily fake it and just point out how out of place it is lol

Not entirely. Most of these people don't know my meta. I can link scum games to show it's not. I already linked our recent game. You also know it's not my meta.


And I just explained why that wasn't the case. Haha. I'm not going to play worse so that I can change up my meta. You know I have pretty strict views on mafia and think that you always play the best and don't do suboptimal moves even if they could have minor benefits.

girl I thought I knew your meta but you had me fooled so hard last game so LIKE I can’t even

Whether or not it’s against your meta is for the other players to decide, otherwise it’s WIFOM yeet

If people are aware of their own meta as each alignment they can easily fake it and just point out how out of place it is lol

Not entirely. Most of these people don't know my meta. I can link scum games to show it's not. I already linked our recent game. You also know it's not my meta.


And I just explained why that wasn't the case. Haha. I'm not going to play worse so that I can change up my meta. You know I have pretty strict views on mafia and think that you always play the best and don't do suboptimal moves even if they could have minor benefits.

girl I thought I knew your meta but you had me fooled so hard last game so LIKE I can’t even

That was my meta though. I played scum there like I played scum in MTG. Just a bit different because I showed a little more hesitance on my scumbud in MTG, but I still went through with lynching them.

Whether or not it’s against your meta is for the other players to decide, otherwise it’s WIFOM yeet

If people are aware of their own meta as each alignment they can easily fake it and just point out how out of place it is lol

Not entirely. Most of these people don't know my meta. I can link scum games to show it's not. I already linked our recent game. You also know it's not my meta.


And I just explained why that wasn't the case. Haha. I'm not going to play worse so that I can change up my meta. You know I have pretty strict views on mafia and think that you always play the best and don't do suboptimal moves even if they could have minor benefits.

girl I thought I knew your meta but you had me fooled so hard last game so LIKE I can’t even

That was my meta though. I played scum there like I played scum in MTG. Just a bit different because I showed a little more hesitance on my scumbud in MTG, but I still went through with lynching them.

eh I guess
I’m not really tunneling on a possible bus here anyway, I’m more interested in other wagonomics maybe

on a side note why is the notification system so jank :aaaAAA:

You mean other wagonomics like how I was on Michi for a decent reason d1 and not the Hapi lynch that went through for no real reason? Yeah Michi might just be town at this point but you can't deny that Hapi wagon was way worse and easier.

You mean other wagonomics like how I was on Michi for a decent reason d1 and not the Hapi lynch that went through for no real reason? Yeah Michi might just be town at this point but you can't deny that Hapi wagon was way worse and easier.

I uh
I’d’ve gone with the Hapi’s wagon to be honest lol

She isn’t very cooperative and I really wouldn’t want paranoia about her being scum kicking in during -Lo

I actually liked Michi during D1? The main argument against them was meta and he provided a pretty solid defense to me debunking it

You mean other wagonomics like how I was on Michi for a decent reason d1 and not the Hapi lynch that went through for no real reason? Yeah Michi might just be town at this point but you can't deny that Hapi wagon was way worse and easier.

I uh
I’d’ve gone with the Hapi’s wagon to be honest lol

She isn’t very cooperative and I really wouldn’t want paranoia about her being scum kicking in during -Lo

I actually liked Michi during D1? The main argument against them was meta and he provided a pretty solid defense to me debunking it

The Hapi wagon was bad. You don't lynch someone just for their playstyle, otherwise you'll lynch them d1 every time and they'll never get the chance to improve. Plus it was the easy one for that reason.


Michi didn't have super solid defense to me. I wasn't entirely sold on the meta thing but it did make sense and you have to agree was more solid reasoning than "Hapi plays bad".

It’s not about Hapi playing bad, it’s about her wanting to spread chaos over helping her team lol

Isn’t this sort of unhelpful/destructive behavior that tilted you on TGN? I’ll lynch people like him and Storm D1 over any other Day anyday ty.

It’s not about Hapi playing bad, it’s about her wanting to spread chaos over helping her team lol

Isn’t this sort of unhelpful/destructive behavior that tilted you on TGN? I’ll lynch people like him and Storm D1 over any other Day anyday ty.

Same difference. People think that's a bad play.


And not entirely. It was part of the reason. But a big part was Doc pointing out the connection between Vro and TGN, and that he also seemed to not be helpful last game when he was scum. Plus he was in my PoE.

You know I fundamentally disagree with that idea and think it's a bad move that gives scum an easy lynch and lets them get away with it.