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[Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?]

Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?

Yes

7 (87.5%)

No

1 (12.5%)

Total Members Voted: 8

Voting closed: February 24, 2021, 10:57:44 AM

Lol that's a powerwolf move isn't it?

Yes, and there's a few reasons why:

It makes you look super certain that Ruguo will flip red, which is saying a lot coming from me, the person who sussed Ruguo hard enough to convince a lot of you to vote Ruguo.

Gerrick switching votes now also doesn't necessarily prove anything, except that he's pretty sure you at least at Town, which points to him more likely being Wolf than not this early in the game. Which, if you are a Wolf, could be a ploy to clear you as Town in the eyes of the rest of the Town. Which makes me unsure that you are actually Town.

That...is an interesting analysis. I think maybe our clash here is difference in playstyles.

Because what was "powerwolfing" about that to me would be that Red knows Silver would flip town. Powerwolfing isn't getting your own scumbud lynched, it's taking control and causing mislynches.

And I don't think it would point towards Gerrick knowing he's town. If Gerrick were scum here it would point to him either knowing both wagons are town/town or him lynching a scumbud for town cred.

It very well could be a difference in playstyles.

If I were scum no freaking way I'd push that hard.

For the record I don't think that was a scum move by you.

I think it was just slightly misguided town.

Mm, fair enough

@Imaginative Kane

I can understand why you feel a bit iffy of me seeing as you played scum with me. However, Ruguo has played with me quite a bit and he even admits himself it's hard to tell between my scum and town play. The game that me and you were scum in together, even the others from zd who I've played with a ton were town reading me, so during that game you were pretty much seeing town me.

I do appreciate the reads though. Can you explain your read on Ruguo? He's had quite a bit of posts so far, so a bit to go off of.

This day sure flew by fast and it was not fun (not the phase (though that was a lot to read through and I definitely have not studied it much)).  He is/was a similar case to a few of the people who I marked as null or not much to go off of in that there is a bit to go off of, but I have not been able to get a read off of their posts yet.

I could be willing to go along with the Ruguo and Vroendal votes but I am not that suspicious of either one at the moment.  I will just vote for the one who I am most suspicious of right now. 

Vote BSR

The fact that discussion just kinda stopped after Ruguo got in the lead worries me.

Spoiler

Alright, after a complete re-read of the game, here are my thoughts:

Michi

After a complete read through, I think the whole Michi thing was an absolute nothing-burger. Like, a tiny meta hint, that turned into a 5 person wagon? Kinda ridiculous, and @Melehan says something I'm inclined to agree with here:

I'd also just like to point out that the now rather substantial lead Michi has in votes at the moment speaks to me of a wolf pile in there somewhere. We're not so much at multiple wagons as we are seeing The Michi Wagon & The Stragglers.

For that reason, I don't believe Michi is actually scum, and I'd recommend looking closer at who has voted and still is voting for Michi up to this point.

And @Sapphiron:

Shrugs Suspicious because I refused to join mountain out of molehill bandwagons in D1 phase, one of which proved to be wrong already. Since you asked, I provide some individuals who give me town vibes - Melehan (reaction tests are good), Vro (I like to see hesitation better than decisiveness in D1), Michi (part of the 2 main wagons of D1)

Secondly, the same way Lau picked up Vro being "genuine" and ended up not voting him is the same way I see Michi right now. Genuine. The attitude I saw from Michi D1 was very much genuine annoyance in the way he was pushed hard against purely for a small meta hint (which as I pointed out I'm inclined to agree with).Especially here:

I mean, if you're really that convinced, then please continue the train.  It worked well enough in the last game where I was Smeagol, and since I was a turret 2 (technically 3 games since Summersend) games ago in Portal and that logic ended up proving correct in that game, then by all means incoporate it here.

As I said, I just want to play a vanilla game where we're not all at each other's throats D1 like it used to be, but if that makes me scum, then please do keep the train going and lynch me if you're that sure, I absolutely won't try to stop you.

I've played with wolf Michi once before, and this isn't it.

Ruguo

Yeah so I was kinda sus of Silv since D1. I mentioned that as town they were far more analytical, here they were throwing suspicion wherever they could, including Michi, Doc, BSR, Ogun, and like 2 more I can't remember. More let me throw out stuff and see what sticks instead of how can I logically deduce things. Also, another good observation by Mel here:

Ruguo - Seems mighty eager to ascribe scummy intent to what are likely the actions of inexperienced players. Very carefully distancing themself from those plays.

I also noticed Ruguo says:

In all seriousness, I would ask you to not trust me as a host to learn how anyone plays, or remember it. When I'm on the other side, I'm gone. I'm laser focused on making things work, and unless there's a major infraction or a mod-request, I pretty much ignore who said what when and how.

I will apologize to Ogun if that is the case.

But then says:

Honestly, Mel isn't giving me scum vibes. Granted, I haven't played with a scum Mel and hosting games does warp your perspective quite a bit, but I'm honestly seeing the same patterns I'm used to seeing from her. It is day one, and she's far from off the hook altogether, but if I had to read based off of the data thus far, mal would have at least earned a spot in lime.

Sort of a stretch, but from I'm reading it sounds like Silv says "I don't pay attention to meta as host" then says "Mel is town based on what I remember from playing with her and hosting. Mildly contradictory.

Here's where things get interesting though, Gerrick:

Gerrick

So Gerrick starts off with a joke vote on Michi. Vro starts the Michi meta catastrophe, and Gerrick uses this as a great opportunity to get a town lynched (assuming Michi is town, which I'm inclined to think). Only reasoning being "his responses to Vro rub me the wrong way" Not strong at all, but okay. Vro is listed as Town Lean in reads list. With little activity in between, they're now voting for Vroendal. What happened to Michi who was in Scum lean? I don't know, the jumping seems ridiculous at first, but makes sense from a scum perspective. Bank on Vro's push to get an easy town lynch, now that the tides turn against vro, bank on that to get another easy town lynch.

And that makes even more sense if we assume Vro is town, which honestly, I still am. The meta, the reactions, the questions, the activity, the genuine-ness (doesn't sound like a real word, but apparently it is) and as Sapph pointed out, the ultimate uncertainty on D1 all make me think he's still town. The votes against him are racking up. That scares me.

Hmmm... I don't remember saying anything about hosting in that quote. It seems like you're putting words in my mouth, and I don't like that very much Red. I said exatly what you quoted- it's the same patterns I'm used to seeing from her. Remember that in Lau's werewolf last year that kinda died over the holidays Mel was in fact the one that sussed me out first- I understand how Mel works to a certain extent.

Anyway. I promised that if TGN gave me what I wanted, I would unvote.

Unvote

Now, it's presently looking like Vro is up for the chop, and me unvoting is not helping any other wagon get remotely close to it. I'm okay with a Vro lynch, but I would prefer a BSR lynch, even though that's not relaly on the table.

I did like Mel's observations about Min- there are some parallels when pointed out that reflect her behaviour as scum in the last game we played.

I didn't particularly like Michi's latest post- While is can appreciate random bugging of lurkers, now is not the time. It feels to me like he's trying to avoid being on one of the major wagons. And while yes, I am climbing off one and not immediately jumping to the other, I also won't be randomly starting a new wagon this close to EoD. Random lurkers are gonna get killed off anyway.

Sapph is still coming across rather short and uncomfy for me, but I promised an actual ISO before I moved on that, and the vote on him from earlier seems to have gone away, so it's not worth trying to start a wagon with  so little time.

So my options remain Doc, TGN, Vro, Myself (I'm not libk, I'm not going to vote myself), ENE, or Alexander (Who's most likely looking at a modkill).

Of those, I don't think Doc is particularly scummy, and I just put a bunch of effort into getting TGN to contribute things, so I'm not voting there. I find it pointless to be on a wagon for a self vote or an inactive in imminent danger of dying, so that just leaves my owl pal.

Vote: Vroendal

At least your lynch will afford us information, even if you're not my first choice. You're hardly my last choice though, so okay? Okay.

I find the fact Ruguo voting for Michi almost in very close interval after Vro's suspicion post over Michi and then the vote switch and late voting looks completely off from his D1 methods . Also till the point it was TGN n Vro wagon going was certain , Ruguo stayed on TGN wagon . However once his wagon was coming up , he switched over to Vro , which i see as a safety measure to keep himself in .

Vote:Ruguo

There is one other thing about self voting and lynch me sort of comments , either way these statements have made us compassionate , be it Vro's last moment switch or TGN getting framed as immature . I think we should be careful . Also i think there is a good chance that TGN wagon (at the very beginning) might have had contained wolves . I did not read the pages from 32-35 , simply because i wasn't hopeful about completing this Bible in making   

Final Vote Count:


And with that, Ruguo is our lynch.

Ruguo was the Female Titan.

Also, to clarify, yes, I did indeed say that inactivity lynches did not apply to the first day, so those of you affected get a free pass for one more day.

Starting the night phase now. Please send me your actions.

@ExLight is also subbing in for Alexander Valentine.

Let me also break the votes down more legibly.

Ruguo - 9 (Red Mones, Vroendal, Gerrick, Anubhav Ghosh, Sapphiron, Minish, Michi, Melehan, Cozmikrae)
Vroendal - 5 (Ruguo, BraveSirRobin, Wintermoot, NyghtOwl, Doc)
BraveSirRobin - 1 (Imaginative Kane)
Doc - 1 (TGN)
Eastern New England - 1 (Self)

@Legacy of Smiles will be subbing in for Ogun of Valeria.

@HumanDawn is subbing in for ENE.

Sorry for the slight delay.

Melehan, a vanilla Townie has been murdered by the Titans.

And with that, it's the start of day 3. I will end the phase in 48 hours and 11 minutes from this post.

FUCK. Of course those bastards would go for Mel.

Wait, so is she just a villager?

Lol now I look like an idiot asking that