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Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?

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Voting closed: February 24, 2021, 10:57:44 AM

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I don't know...I think it was kinda cute...Doc being the father figure to TGN. I think Doc should start a family and adopt TGN.

But then how am I ever going to get the Royal Family badge?

I don't know why, Doc has been around for a long time would be a great person to take you under his wing, and he obviously cares about your Werewolf play. I'm going to assume for now it's not because you're both on a team of wolves again.

If we were scumbuds, I wouldn't be advising him on proper conduct out in the open, I'd do it in PMs like I did the last time. At the very least, you can infer one of us isn't scum. Which I'll elaborate on later in the post (which I wrote before this, but you posted between when I started writing this and when I finished the first pass only to get told of 2 new replies, *sigh*).

Doc- if you're going to drop in to state you claimed nothing of the sort, could you please drop in to be helpful?

In my defense, it was late and I was confused, horrified, and wondering when how and where in the world I'd ever even implied I could be a power role (which I generally hate doing since, true or false, it paints a target on my back for night kills), let alone alluded to a night action of any sort (which I was very concerned about running afoul of Lau's rule about role revealing, since logically if it was solely limited to revealing the role you did have, you could 'reveal' all the roles you didn't, not get the boot, and thus have revealed without 'revealing', meaning true or false I could conceivably be at risk).
To my relief this afternoon, I instead seem to have just misinterpreted and grossly overthought it. About standard for a Wednesday (or, technically, Thursday morning).
At any rate, I'm growing increasingly suspicious of TGN considering his fairly erratic behavior. Granted, I've not seen his town play, so it might be just as chaotic as Hapi's* usual play, but the joke votes and immediate pullbacks when he catches flak the moment someone goes 'hang on a minute' seem very much like his 'I wanna push a wagon but don't want to commit and look sus' from last game. He's not at the top of my scumspect list (said person comes next), but he's an easy second.
Vro, on the other hand, seems determined to repeat the mistakes of last game. Were it not for the fact that he's shown marked adaptability in the past, I might conclude that's his playstyle. But since he was beating himself up for being dumb last game, and yet is still pulling kind of the same shit, I think it's a bluff and he's trying to cloak himself in 'meta' while being scummy AF.
Vote: Vroendal

*Sorry Hapi, ordinarily it'd be a sorry-not-sorry for lynching you, but in this case I'm genuinely sorry because I did in fact say I was only keeping my vote on you for wagonomics reasons and no longer out of genuine suspicion, so my bad, I literally fucked up and got you killed, in contrition I pledge not to D1 you again next game and you can hold my feet to the fire on that even if you come out and declare as your first post of the game 'I, Hapi, am scum this game'.

even if you come out and declare as your first post of the game 'I, Hapi, am scum this game'.

Wouldn't that be something.

It's D2, let's not have any more joke votes.

But those are half the fun in Werewolf.

Actual serious post coming sometime later.

Vro, on the other hand, seems determined to repeat the mistakes of last game. Were it not for the fact that he's shown marked adaptability in the past, I might conclude that's his playstyle. But since he was beating himself up for being dumb last game, and yet is still pulling kind of the same shit, I think it's a bluff and he's trying to cloak himself in 'meta' while being scummy AF.
Vote: Vroendal

Seeing someone as scummy is a rather subjective experience. I will also not improve much am I am not told what it is you see that I am doing wrong. I find your reasoning somewhat lacking in substance and evidence, please lay out your rationale further. I lay my claim that I'm making a real effort not to tunnel. In what light do you see this game right now?

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it said Untove and I didn't want to clog up the board so... yeah

I'm not entirely certain scum was on either of the wagons yesterday especially if they were town vs town. If Michi happens to flip scum that's a different story, but as it was scum could have mostly sat back d1 and not made any waves. However, I am gonna try to do some sort of wagon analysis here.

There were 8 people within the tied wagons. There were also 8 people who didn't vote at all.

On Hapi's wagon was NyghtOwl, Melehan, Doc, and Cozmikrae.

I feel good about NyghtOwl. Cozmikrae is looking okay to me as well. So let's narrow this one down to Melehan and Doc.

On Michi's wagon was Ruguo, Gerrick, Wischland, and Minish.

I know I'm town. Ruguo I've felt iffy about. Wischland and Gerrick I'm null on.

And then you have the 8 non voters.
Vroendal, Anubhav Ghosh, Michi, BraveSirRobin, TGN, Ogun of Valeria, Alexander Valentine, and Eastern New England.

Alexander hasn't posted at all so gonna remove him from this. Michi surprisingly didn't vote despite having a decent wagon on him. Anubhav Ghosh just subbed in so he gets a pass for now. So let's remove Alexander and Anubhav from the equation with this group.

That leaves Vro, Michi, BSR, TGN, Ogun, and ENE. All of which have posted to some extent. Vro and Michi are interesting due to just the focus around them d1. And the fact that Vro pushed a wagon and backed out last minute to cause a tie. Ogun seemed a bit iffy to me d1. TGN has just been messing around. And BSR and ENE haven't said much that I remember.

So removing either the inactive or the ones I feel decent about you have Melehan, Doc, Ruguo, Gerrick, Wischland, Ogun, Vro, Michi, TGN, BSR, and ENE.


Melehan I don't know that well but I did like her trying to get reactions d1, and I dunno if she's wild enough to draw that much attention to herself as scum with the rp aspect. Doc I haven't felt any real suspicion towards I don't think but I also don't think I read him well last game. Either way I don't think I'd like to pursue him today. Gerrick and Wisch are in similar boats. And BSR and ENE I don't feel like I have enough to go on.

So let's  narrow this further to Ruguo, Ogun, Vro, Michi, and TGN.

Vro I wanted to town read but to be honest some of the things he's doing reminds me of scum me or just have some scum motivation so I'm getting a little iffy. I'll need to relook at Spongebob mafia to see how he played there. Though I do think it was maybe more reserved than here.

Michi would be a decent direction to see if it were a scum vs town wagon because that would throw some more sus on Vro. And look decent for the others voting Michi.

Anyways I need to head to bed soon so I'll do more with this stream of consciousness later.

So outside of the lurkers the let's see.

Vro: So the whole vote switch thing strikes me as super sus. Instead of leaving his vote he undid it, absolving himself of any guilt in the matter and avoiding attention should the lynch go wrong.

ENE: so he's pretty much just yucking it up. Which could just mean that he's looking to have some fun. Or he could be deflecting any attention away as a classical class clown.

Moot: got super defensive when suspicion was thrown his way.

Min: has really detailed analysis of the votes and game so far so I can tell that they're a good player but I can't get much of a read either way.

Was that enough? Was there anyone else I could give my thoughts on?

So if I'm hearing this right, either Michi or Vro are our best options for today.

Michi is on the table from yesterday, as a potential info lynch- but the reasons behind his wagon were all meta based, which shouldn't play as big of a role in d2, but should still be considered- at least to reevalute where we stand.

Vro is up for the chopping block because of his own risky moves- and I think I'd feel better about offing him at this point. The problem is that he's not as info-rich as Michi right now, and that makes tomorrow harder.

Ah. Another three pages to work through.

No one died? Well that settles it. Doc, TGN, and ENE are our wolves

In all seriousness, we may wanna push on the people who voted for Hapi. @NyghtOwl (who is town as far as I'm concerned), @Melehan, @Doc, and @cozmikrae.

I find it very interesting how you've excluded yourself from that list, especially considering you're trying to sus the rest of us. Looks like a scum play to me.

Why? I "retaliated" against Hapi's joke vote early on, but moved my vote off her because I'm not gonna have her lynched for no reason. I had nothing to do with her lynch:

Adorable Oracle Hapi - 4 (NyghtOwl, Melehan, Doc, Cozmikrae)

Looks more like you pushing suspicion off of yourself.

You stayed on Hapi as a joke vote up until you switched to me because you felt I was more sus. Not because you stated that Hapi wasn't sus.

And the fact remains, you did vote for Hapi, regardless of removing your vote from her. If we were only concerned with the people who stayed on the respective wagons, Vro's hopping off wouldn't be one of the main drivers of the sus on Vro. Everyone who voted on those two wagons is of interest whether they stayed on the wagon or not, and the fact you're trying to gloss over your involvement in one of those wagons?

That is sus.

@Ruguo

The Walls are quiet at the moment, their Voices likely drowned out by the unrest on the streets. Perhaps when I return home to where there is relative Peace and Quiet, I shall be better able to hear what the Walls have to say.

@Minish

Mind going into a bit more detail on what about Vro's logic is making him look scummy? I'm not seeing it myself.

@Vroendal

I probably would have noticed that if I had gone back and looked at the posts and likes earlier D1, but I didn't actually do that until N1. It is an interesting point though.

@BraveSirRobin care to comment on what has happened so far?

Oh god the amount of pages 

Umm one sec I've got to read infinite stuff haha

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No one died? Well that settles it. Doc, TGN, and ENE are our wolves

In all seriousness, we may wanna push on the people who voted for Hapi. @NyghtOwl (who is town as far as I'm concerned), @Melehan, @Doc, and @cozmikrae.

I find it very interesting how you've excluded yourself from that list, especially considering you're trying to sus the rest of us. Looks like a scum play to me.

Why? I "retaliated" against Hapi's joke vote early on, but moved my vote off her because I'm not gonna have her lynched for no reason. I had nothing to do with her lynch:

Adorable Oracle Hapi - 4 (NyghtOwl, Melehan, Doc, Cozmikrae)

Looks more like you pushing suspicion off of yourself.

You stayed on Hapi as a joke vote up until you switched to me because you felt I was more sus. Not because you stated that Hapi wasn't sus.

And the fact remains, you did vote for Hapi, regardless of removing your vote from her. If we were only concerned with the people who stayed on the respective wagons, Vro's hopping off wouldn't be one of the main drivers of the sus on Vro. Everyone who voted on those two wagons is of interest whether they stayed on the wagon or not, and the fact you're trying to gloss over your involvement in one of those wagons?

That is sus.

I mean I didn't vote for Hapi because I thought she was suspicious, it was a joke. Same way Hapi moved her vote off of me when she found someone she thought was sus. Did she move her vote off of me because I was suspicious, but cozmik was more sus? No, because her vote for me was a joke. I think that was pretty damn clear to everyone for both cases. Vro moving his vote directly led to Hapi being lynched. Nothing I did led to her lynching. This is ridiculous, Mel, and you know it.

Okay so firstly: 

It should be fairly obvious that I am not scum rather simply, because generally I devote far more time to games in which I am scum.  Take that for proof enough as you will lol. 

As far as stuff goes, it would seem to me that Ruguo and Vro are really dominating the conversation, and while I generally don't expect that to incriminate people, the fact that this is a vanilla game with basically "power role" or village dynamic means that I expect most people (like myself) who are town to have a lot less "skin in the game," as it were. 

Also, because Ruguo immediately tried to tie everything to the Valerians (Michi, Hapi and myself) and then the lynch of Hapi revealed town, I'm not convinced.  Especially because creating wagons day one is never a good thing for the town.

Consequently, the people on my personal "to consider" list are the following:
Vro, NyghtOwl, Melehan, Doc, Cozmikrae, Ruguo, Gerrick, Wischland, Minish. 

Which is "people who voted for Hapi or Michi, and Vro"

Now, Doc has turned on a dime and gone after Vro, which I definitely agree with, and he didn't change vote because wagonomics, which definitely makes sense and checks out, so I feel comfortable removing him from suspicion for now. 

That being said, I really like Minish's analysis, so I have to say I don't feel like this list is by any means definitive, though I definitely think that at least 2-3 people in this list are wolves. 

Thus my revised list of people who I'm really unsure about and might be wolves is:
Vro, NyghtOwl, Melehan, Cozmikrae, Ruguo, Gerrick, Wischland. 

In that, I only feel relatively confidently about Vro for the weird metareasoning that I don't think checks out (at least with how I generally play).  Also my play style definitely changes quite often I think, because I generally enjoy relying on someone who I find relatively stable early on who is at least rather predictable and then latch on to the results of said person getting their way.  Generally, I rely on Lau for this because he's usually quite active and can sniff out wolves/if he is a wolf he kills me early so usually I don't have to worry about that lol. 

But alas he's the host now, so I can't rely on that.  I shall try to take a more active role from now on but no promises if there continues to be like 20 pages per time I view lol.  I've got like 6 tabs open trying to make sense of this whole thing 

I don't want to just bandwagon, but I'm still putting my sus on Vro, but if people may reveal more things from like other games or actions please let me know!

Okay so firstly: 

It should be fairly obvious that I am not scum rather simply, because generally I devote far more time to games in which I am scum.  Take that for proof enough as you will lol. 

As far as stuff goes, it would seem to me that Ruguo and Vro are really dominating the conversation, and while I generally don't expect that to incriminate people, the fact that this is a vanilla game with basically "power role" or village dynamic means that I expect most people (like myself) who are town to have a lot less "skin in the game," as it were. 

Also, because Ruguo immediately tried to tie everything to the Valerians (Michi, Hapi and myself) and then the lynch of Hapi revealed town, I'm not convinced.  Especially because creating wagons day one is never a good thing for the town.

Consequently, the people on my personal "to consider" list are the following:
Vro, NyghtOwl, Melehan, Doc, Cozmikrae, Ruguo, Gerrick, Wischland, Minish. 

Which is "people who voted for Hapi or Michi, and Vro"

Now, Doc has turned on a dime and gone after Vro, which I definitely agree with, and he didn't change vote because wagonomics, which definitely makes sense and checks out, so I feel comfortable removing him from suspicion for now. 

That being said, I really like Minish's analysis, so I have to say I don't feel like this list is by any means definitive, though I definitely think that at least 2-3 people in this list are wolves. 

Thus my revised list of people who I'm really unsure about and might be wolves is:
Vro, NyghtOwl, Melehan, Cozmikrae, Ruguo, Gerrick, Wischland. 

In that, I only feel relatively confidently about Vro for the weird metareasoning that I don't think checks out (at least with how I generally play).  Also my play style definitely changes quite often I think, because I generally enjoy relying on someone who I find relatively stable early on who is at least rather predictable and then latch on to the results of said person getting their way.  Generally, I rely on Lau for this because he's usually quite active and can sniff out wolves/if he is a wolf he kills me early so usually I don't have to worry about that lol. 

But alas he's the host now, so I can't rely on that.  I shall try to take a more active role from now on but no promises if there continues to be like 20 pages per time I view lol.  I've got like 6 tabs open trying to make sense of this whole thing 

My dear Robin, I think you have your order of events a little confused.

Hapi flipped town before I said anythign about the Valerians- and even then it was simply a joke about how many powerplayers are in that house. Lau's hosting, so he can't make that joke for this game. Someone had to do it.

I will admit I did jump on the Michi wagon, but I hardly created it. I simply felt his odd behavior for his meta on D1 was the best we had at the time- now we have more to go off of with the flippity flopping of votes.

Side note: In what world is town not doing anything good for town? I don't think anyone should have less skin in the game than others- I'm also known to just go prod around the thread to show I'm active and around to talk if anyone else is around, I do my best work bantering randomly with people. Would you like to banter, Robin? You also talk about how Lau is usually quite active and can sniff out the wolves, and I mean, would you expect him to dial it back just because he has "less skin in the game"? I'm sorry, that's just a bad argument.