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[Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?]

Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?

Yes

7 (87.5%)

No

1 (12.5%)

Total Members Voted: 8

Voting closed: February 24, 2021, 10:57:44 AM

On a side note, apparently no one noticed me meme in any of the past games I've played here, even though I've memed D1 (and often beyond) in every themed game I've played so far.

I am apparently Queen of the Stealth Meme...

Evidently I'm not the only forgetful person...

I'm sticking with the Hapi vote and doubling down on the pure wagonomics reasoning for it (since the Michi pile seems to be growing ever-larger as we go on with only hers as the closest competitor...and even that's quite distant), but I have to say, those were actually some excellent points made. If I didn't think flipping to a vanity wagon or piling aboard the Michi train was an actively bad move, I'd remove my vote from you just on that basis. But...well...both of those things.

@Michi, I'm willing to hear you out if you have anything else at all to offer. Even just for self-preservation, do you have any reads to share with us or players to point us at? There have been plenty of posts to analyze.

As proof that I will listen to you with an open-mind:
Unvote - Michi

If you do not provide anything or your defense/attack is not sufficiently convincing, I will lynch you for the aforementioned dislike of various points in your defense coupled with the initial meta read and your total lack of engagement or pro-town behavior such as scum-hunting or questioning.

To be honest I haven't been paying attention.  Since it was pretty set that I was going to die off despite my usual defending (which never seems to help anyways since I can't seem to live longer than D2 if the recent games are any indication), I pretty much mostly stepped away from the game.

Personally, I hate meta reads.  It puts people in a damned if I do/damned if I dont situation because if I choose to vote for someone like I did with voting Katie in one game and step away due to being busy, I look suspicious because of some game somewhere where I did differently.  If I vote and defend it, I look equally suspicious because of some game somewhere where I did differently.  If I dont vote and duck out, or dont vote and defend my decision...well you get the jist.  There's always some game somewhere that gets used against me because I happened to play differently in it, even if I play the same as I've done in other games.

So do what you will.  In the long run anything I say wont really matter because if thr past games are any indicatioj, they never do.  I could defend until I'm blue in the face, but it's either never believed or warped in some way to where regardless of what I say, I'll still get lynched.

I mean, just saying "do what you will" definitely won't do you any favors. :/ Come on Michi I'm really trying to give you a chance here. I miraculously survived the entirety of last game even though I was wrong on many points and looked incredibly suspicious beyond that, and I survived because I never completely gave up defending myself, just laying down and saying "lynch me" goes beyond just being suspicious to just being anti-town.

The point was to ask you to offer something up to analyze and re-evaluate so that the information could help form a new opinion or perspective if need be, you're just refusing to allow that.

You're clearly at least active a little right now and there's still time before EoD, will you not even try? There's a difference between voting and lynching. You were only being voted at that point, with plenty of time to try something else.

Meta reads are certainly not indicative of alignment completely of their own, and I understand that. I voted you to apply pressure, which to your credit you responded to. I did not feel that elements of your response were relevant and that certain other elements made you more suspicious, so now here we are. I'm not lynching you for just meta, your damned if you do/don't example isn't the issue here, it's that by itself without context from other games there are parts of your defense which do not speak to what I feel is a pro-town coupled with a tendency I have seen in the recent past repeating itself.

I stand by what I have said, even if it creates suspicious vibes on myself. Big hoo-has on the first day are nigh useless in themselves, I am looking at the Michi and Hapi bandwagons. One is for not voting early, and the other is chaotic playstyle lmao. I have mostly voted RNG in first day phases, and I would only look back when there's more information in the following days.

Also, I express my discomfort on the use of meta reading to lynch people on the first day phase, because it's pretty much making a mountain of a molehill, and it usually leads nowhere. I am guilty of that sometimes but there it is. Meta is a big part of the game, and I have used it sometimes to support gut feelings, but on the first day though.

On the first day, all town has is meta though.

Well, meta and reaction tests.

Well at this point I don't think things have a realistic possibility of changing, I'll stick with what I think as the most likely possibility and we'll see how it goes.

Vote - Michi

Eh, I don't know. I'm still not really on board with Michi, though they're gonna die anyway. I think I'm gonna Vote: Ruguo.

To be honest I haven't been paying attention.  Since it was pretty set that I was going to die off despite my usual defending (which never seems to help anyways since I can't seem to live longer than D2 if the recent games are any indication), I pretty much mostly stepped away from the game.

Personally, I hate meta reads.  It puts people in a damned if I do/damned if I dont situation because if I choose to vote for someone like I did with voting Katie in one game and step away due to being busy, I look suspicious because of some game somewhere where I did differently.  If I vote and defend it, I look equally suspicious because of some game somewhere where I did differently.  If I dont vote and duck out, or dont vote and defend my decision...well you get the jist.  There's always some game somewhere that gets used against me because I happened to play differently in it, even if I play the same as I've done in other games.

So do what you will.  In the long run anything I say wont really matter because if thr past games are any indicatioj, they never do.  I could defend until I'm blue in the face, but it's either never believed or warped in some way to where regardless of what I say, I'll still get lynched.

This just furthers my mindset. If Michi flips town I'm hard voting Vro forever til they die, because meta this reads to me like Michi from LotR wolf and not meets this reads too me like Michi right this was gonna be different and now it's the same meta bs getting some inno town lynched D1. Nobody is gonna listen to me but I think this wagon needs to be rethought.

If Michi is wolf I think we got lucky honestly.

The one thing keeping Red off my scumspects list is the fact that Red and cozmik are apparently IRL friends, and that this is cozmik's first game here. Red being super defensive of cozmik thus makes sense because I'm sure Red wants cozmik's first game with us to be fun.

This tbh. While I don't think cozmik is likely to be the sort to bail after if they got lynched day 1 - I have faith in the Standard Of Friend Red brings around these parts - I don't know that there's too much harm in giving a day 1 'we don't know each other and we might have a wildly different playstyle from what we're used to' moment to give time to get used to it.
Perhaps best exemplified by how cozmik seemed surprised we wanted to know their strat; like, duh we want to know at least, like, 80% of your strategy, scum wins when townies plays their cards too close to their chests. It'd be one thing if there were neutral roles in this - in which case, yeah, alright, fair play - but there aren't.
Ah well. Not really a major issue though since there was never enough of a pile to be really worth worrying about getting lynched over anyway.

Who knows getting lynched D1 might make her love Werewolf here more but decide the game is better played by memeing and sowing general chaos and discontent for the lulz because you get murdered if you actually try to play the game around here :hapisip:

Anyways weather new or not weather a friend or not this is first and foremost a game and we should play it without taking any of that into consideration if someone decides not to continue playing cause the game was played and they died even D1 in their first game they shouldn't be playing. Like this is Werewolf and any suspicious activity will be noted.

What’s sus about me exactly? My Red Mones vote? That’s been retracted. How come you don’t jump on the other wagon, when that may actually help you? Why start a new one that no one else is getting on? 

Vote: Adorable Oracle Hapi

Hi my names Hapi, I kinda have a reputation around here and your new so here's the bullet points list.

• I'm a target D1 here for eternity because people don't like how I play the game
• I do what Iwant with wanton disregard for anyone else or the situation at hand
• I'd argue that if you look around at the games I've played and pay close attention to my posts I'm often right about things I just don't follow the normal werewolf route to get there

So basically the wagon on me exists solely and exclusively because Melahan is memeing and certain people like Doc will just always vote me D1 under the pretense that I'm a danger to town because of my chaotic nature and general do what's best for Hapi no matter what mantra.

Someone asked why I have this reputation. I think it's caused by two things.  I voted for the host in Portal WW which started a whole mess of things (I stand by my feelings on that)

And in LotR wolf I was willing to do extremely insane things in an attempt to get usefulness out of my activated ring ability.

But I also made points. That everyone seems to forget. On the 14th before the dominoes began to fall I called out Willie as scum pointed out my feelings that TGN was scum and pointed out concerns on why Doc's style was concerning and I thought he might be scum.

I also was the only one firmly not on the Michi is scum wagon which I was correct about.

The only thing I pushed and stayed on that I was wrong about was my thoughts that Wisch was scum.

So my question is do you really want to vote for me based on a meme and some vague notion of how I don't help town as town? Putting myself first doesn't mean not helping town I have two goals in Werewolf. 1. Win. 2. Cause chaos, but I do this for a reason and...it works. My survival very rarely matters to me. (Actually I like dying early) 

As for why I don't vote for the wagon. I don't think there's a valid reason to vote for Michi. I don't like this wagon and I think that it's basis is ridiculous. Michi might be scum by I don't see no lynching D1 as a "tell"

Wait, I'm kinda confused. If you're pro Hapi then wouldn't you care about being lynched day 1? I'm just not seeing a connect between being pro Hapi(doing what's best for you) and being willing and even enjoying dying early. That's kinda contradictory. Or really contradictory actually.
Like, if you're happy to die early because it helps us that's one thing and I could see that but it doesn't really jive with the claim that you play with a "me first" mind set. Or is that just to cause more confusion and chaos?

I don't mind dying early in certain situations... I'm hoping somebody catches what I've been hinting at but I doubt it but should you pick it up you can figure out what I am probably.

I don't really like this meta read comb thru 10000 pages of old werewolf to figure out one little difference that clearly makes you a wolf style of game. You know what that leads to almost everytime. A lynched townie. And trying to infer Intel from a wagon everyone voted on is pulling needles from a haystack. And frankly I don't get it because if I knew this was how you made your decisions I'd just...flip styles every game so I'm neigh unreadable or play EXACTLY the same style every single game.

How many wrong reads did we push from meta reads before we found a wolf that led to another wolf without a meta read at all? I think I learn more from being a chaotic mass of Hapi than you learn from your meta reads.

Anyways.

I will add that in LotR wolf I would've preserved my life at the cost of everything because I found myself and my role valuable. Me dying here in place of another town is of net benefit.

Are you asking us to lynch you instead of Michi? lol

I think of Michi is a townie my death would be preferable and I think Michi being read scum for... like nothing is dumb.

I'd prefer we lynch nobody based on nothing but that's never gonna happen because this vague idea of Intel that I've never seen lead to any actual correct deductions...

Please remember last game Vro was on and on and on about Michi "acting scum" and was Michi scum?

Well he was third-party, so technically they were half right.

I'm with you though, not really feeling the Michi lynch.

I think of Michi is a townie my death would be preferable and I think Michi being read scum for... like nothing is dumb.

I'd prefer we lynch nobody based on nothing but that's never gonna happen because this vague idea of Intel that I've never seen lead to any actual correct deductions...

I don't think I'm lynching him over nothing, I'm lynching him for a combination of reasons including telling a Seer who to investigate and in general what I feel is a very discouraging view of questions and activity, and added with a recent pattern I've personally observed, in what way is that "nothing?" I've given him chances to attempt to convince me and he's chosen not to take them. From my point of view I don't see anyone better to lynch right now.

Please remember last game Vro was on and on and on about Michi "acting scum" and was Michi scum?

Actually, at the beginning I saved him from being ynched because I felt he was town, it was only after he attacked me that I considered that he wasn't. I turned out both correct and incorrect at the same time for both counts. If anything, you should remember the entirety of last game when you were sussing me and I wasn't a wolf. Your logic is inconsistent.