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Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?

Yes

7 (87.5%)

No

1 (12.5%)

Total Members Voted: 8

Voting closed: February 24, 2021, 10:57:44 AM

Sorry that I haven't had a chance to post before now. It's been a busy day in Wintreath, and I'm staying up very late to read through everything and reply now (it's almost 6am here ;-;).

For me, I'm not convinced on the Michi bandwagon. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it seems awfully convoluted for D1. If he's a wolf, he could have jumped on any of the wagons that could have formed earlier in the day and nobody would be the wiser because it's all just guessing. He could have safety voted for another wolf to put distance between him and the wolf in the event one of them got killed later. I understand none of us have much to go on so I'm not saying it's impossible, but it seems awfully convoluted a strategy for him to be playing on D1 when it's not necessary.

Two things that did rub me the wrong way when I was reading through though...I hate, hate, hate wagonimics reasoning (@Doc), because it comes off as someone wanting to sound like they have a reason for voting for a specific person, but don't have a good one and this is the best they can do. I do remember not liking that reasoning from Laurentus either last game and he ended up being town, so it's not high suspicion, just something I don't care for. =|

But the biggest thing that felt off was @Red Mones's defense of cozmik. I know they're friends and he invited her here, but he seems so certain that she shouldn't be suspect because she's new (very odd since a new player was the wolf in our last game that he hosted), and at this point the only people who can be certain of the roles are the wolves. All while she was voting for him, too...one doesn't usually defend someone who is voting to have you killed. But what's really odd is out how he put himself out there to defend her when she was never a serious contender for being killed to begin with. She's never had more than a single vote this round. The whole thing feels very overreactive/unnatural and out of place to me, and for that reason I have to vote: Red Mones at this point.

cozmik herself hasn't really done anything that looks particularly suspicious to me...ironically, the only thing that makes her seem suspicious to me is RM's defense of her.

Then again, we also did have a bad habit of lynching the seer and Moot (and Moot as the Seer) D1 in a lot of older games, so there's definitely tropes about those games that I'm glad we mostly broke free of.

Yeah, I'm glad we broke free of that one, too.

Also, if it helps anyone, my record of the action so far.

Hapi -> Red Mones RM 1
Red Mones -> Hapi RM 1, Hapi 1
Melehan -> Hapi Hapi 2, RM 1
Cozmikrae -> Red Mones RM 2, Hapi 2
NyghtOwl -> Wintermoot RM 2, Hapi 2, Moot 1
Ruguo -> Doc RM 2, Hapi 2, Moot 1, Doc 1
Sapphiron -> Vroendal RM 2, Hapi 2, Moot 1, Doc 1, Vro 1
Gerrick -> Michi RM 2, Hapi 2, Moot 1, Doc 1, Vro 1, Michi 1
TGN -> Sapphiron RM 2, Hapi 2, Moot 1, Doc 1, Vro 1, Michi 1, Sapph 1
Red Mones -> Melehan RM 2, Hapi 1, Moot 1, Doc 1, Vro 1, Michi 1, Sapph 1, Mel 1
Red Mones -> Unvote RM 2, Hapi 1, Moot 1, Doc 1, Vro 1, Michi 1, Sapph 1
Vro -> Michi RM 2, Michi 2, Hapi 1, Moot 1, Doc 1, Vro 1, Sapph 1
Ruguo -> Michi Michi 3, RM 2, Hapi 1, Moot 1, Vro 1, Sapph 1
TGN -> Michi Michi 4, RM 2, Hapi 1, Moot 1, Vro 1
NyghtOwl -> Hapi Michi 4, RM 2, Hapi 2, Vro 1
Kane -> No Lynch Michi 4, RM 2, Hapi 2, Vro 1
Hapi -> cozmikrae Michi 4, Hapi 2, RM 1, Vro 1, coz 1
Doc -> Hapi Michi 4, Hapi 3, RM 1, Vro 1, coz 1
Coz -> Unvote Michi 4, Hapi 3, Vro 1, coz 1
TGN -> Unvote Michi 3, Hapi 3, Vro 1, coz 1
Wischland -> Michi Michi 4, Hapi 3, Vro 1, coz 1
Kane -> BSR Michi 4, Hapi 3, Vro 1, coz 1, BSR 1
Minish -> Michi Michi 5, Hapi 3, Vro 1, coz 1, BSR 1
Wintermoot -> Red Mones Michi 5, Hapi 3, Vro 1, coz 1, BSR 1, RM 1

Oooh spicy. Winter has the same feeling on Red as I do. I don't quite agree with everything in his post (especially wagonimics because I love using that to find scum), but we're on kinda similar wavelengths here.

I honestly wasn't sure if I was just reading into Red too much, but someone that knows them better having similar reason helps bolster that a bit. And I love the idea of 3 competing wagons d1. So...

Unvote

Vote: Red Mones

Okay, as of now, I think this is the vote count:

Red Mones - 2 (Minish, Wintermoot)
Vroendal -  1 (Sapphiron)
Adorable Oracle Hapi - 3 (NyghtOwl, Melehan, Doc)
Michi - 4 (Ruguo, Vroendal, Gerrick, Wischland)
Cozmikrae - 1 (Hapi)

With the following either still having to vote, or electing not to vote altogether, or deciding to vote "no lynch."

Red Mones
Dawcreek
Michi
Imaginative Kane
BraveSirRobin
TGN
Ogun of Valeria
Alexander Valentine
Cozmikrae
Eastern New England

Vote count sheet

Okay, as of now, I think this is the vote count:

Red Mones - 2 (Minish, Wintermoot)
Vroendal -  1 (Sapphiron)
Adorable Oracle Hapi - 3 (NyghtOwl, Melehan, Doc)
Michi - 4 (Ruguo, Vroendal, Gerrick, Wischland)
Cozmikrae - 1 (Hapi)

With the following either still having to vote, or electing not to vote altogether, or deciding to vote "no lynch."

Red Mones
Dawcreek
Michi
Imaginative Kane
BraveSirRobin
TGN
Ogun of Valeria
Alexander Valentine
Cozmikrae
Eastern New England

Vote count sheet

I skiped vote

Relevant Minish quotes

Red has been interesting. There's something about his posts that sound like they come from scum mindset to me and I can't quite put my finger on it. Kinda feels like he's trying to shield suspicion on certain players in less of an uninformed town mindset. But that could just be his normal way of posting. It's hard to get too much meta on people when I've only played here a couple of times and the games are so big.

So I guess Red, Ruguo, Michi, Ogun, and Kane are the main ones that I'd like to keep an eye on.

Having these two close competing wagons is good though. My one hesitation with the Michi wagon is that it seems he possibly gets easy suspicions on him a lot? I would prefer his lynch over Hapi's right now though.

Vote: Michi

Oooh spicy. Winter has the same feeling on Red as I do. I don't quite agree with everything in his post (especially wagonimics because I love using that to find scum), but we're on kinda similar wavelengths here.

I honestly wasn't sure if I was just reading into Red too much, but someone that knows them better having similar reason helps bolster that a bit. And I love the idea of 3 competing wagons d1. So...

Unvote

Vote: Red Mones

For Minish

grimly looks at the times I messed up last game, goes for it anyway
A problem I have with you voting RM is that I really don't think it's RM. He's done more things that I feel comes from a townie mindset than from a scummy mindset, e.g. waffling on his vote on Mel and researching Michi's games to confirm my statements for himself. His statements "defending" cozmik wasn't even exactly defending her, but more exposing what I agree was hypocrisy in Mel's readlist and pushing back against Hapi's lack of strong reasoning. I'm quite bad at reading interactions, but the way cozmik attacked him for defending her also feels more natural and coming from a new player than not. Would you be able to state in your own words what you find suspicious about Red?

I'll have to think about Moot's statements more, but this is reminding me of the way he attacked Sapph in the LOTR game and I do see where he is coming from so I won't fault him for thinking someone is sus who I think is inno. You however are someone who I feel would have ISO'd Red and seen the same things I did, so now I'm wondering why you want RM as a wagon contender?

Another thing is that I think we can get more information out of Michi's lynch anyway, as I've said I've seen a link between him and BSR, which is better for town than a link between RM and cozmik, because cozmik has contributed to the discussion while BSR has not. Besides that Michi has been reticent to be forthcoming about any specific reads he has which I feel is a scummier play. Whether he is what I suppose is an easier lynch as a result of his style or not, there still is validation in suspicion against him that I'm really not seeing against RM.

I do like the idea have having multiple options to wagon at EoD, but it makes it that much easier for scum to swoop in and get a majority on a player I have been town tone-reading.

My main problem with the way you approached this is that it would be easy for you to set up RM to lynch him and have him flip town, then say something to the effect that you voted him for wagonomics and what I feel is a lackluster connection between him and an irl friend, and that you weren't around at EoD to switch while backtracking on the idea that you has previously sussed Michi. Would you please provide more justification for your vote on RM?

Waking up to four new pages of posts.

Going page-by-page because I'm on mobile at work lol.

TNG - I'm not sure what's going on with the voting there, but it is suspicious. Especially since I know he's smarter than he might initially appear...

first off
thank you for calling me smart c:
secondly
when have I showed my "intelligence" on the forum?
(if you can find a link then I'll shut up)

Behold Exhibit A, wherein TGN is what is known as a Smart Alec, while also attempting to distance himself from from being seen as smart enough to deceive anyone. A very scummy play, to be certain.

Exhibit B, I present as the game previous wherein TGN had a very interesting habit of liking posts that suspected him of being scum, up until Doc's death outed TGN as actual scum. I got many lols out of noticing that likes trail.

And here we have Exhibit C,  as presented by your former fellow scumbud who would be in a position to know:

OMG IT SAID YOU EDITIED THE POST!!!!!!!
YOU EDITED THE POST AND THEREFORE BROKE THE RULES OF THE GAME
VOTE LAU
FOR EDITING POST!!!!!!!!!!

lol

The werewolf is not the host.
Come on, you and I both know you're more competent than this. Take this seriously.

In unrelated news: for wagonomics reasons (and, more pragmatically, a rapidly expiring clock, since I believe we have around 18 hours to go in this day), I'm biting the bullet and going to Vote: Hapi. I'm persuaded at this point that it's going to come down to one of the two leading wagons (being her and Michi, if Kane's count is right) and considering that my past experiences with leaving things purely up to RNGesus generally haven't gone well, I'm going to experiment this time.

The Walls shall guard you from the perils posed by RNGesus, if you but remain Faithful and Good.

Cozmik thus reads to me more as "a player we aren't familiar with lying low to pass as inexperienced" than someone actually inexperienced.

I can personally vouch for cozmikrae being inexperienced as I invited them to Wintreath.

Interesting tactic here, you seem to want me to accuse you? Why are you pointing out how suspicious you're being? Are you protecting Red Mones? Are you drawing attention away from something/someone else?

I don't understand what you're getting at here. I don't see any of this in Mel's post at all.

Page 2: Melehan called me out for voting for you when she was trying to get Hapi voted off and thought I didn't notice. Brought it up again in an additional discussion. She's asking for some kind of attention with the whole blood sacrifice thing. Perhaps to get reactions? But I'm not convinced we should lynch her. ...Yet

Unvote

Vote: cozmik


I think it's obvious why but here we go. Jumped on a joke, stayed on the wagon hasn't really given me a defense that gives me reason to believe otherwise.

No, it's not obvious, all points made by you and Mel have been fully rebutted. Mel can get a pass, she's pushing for reactions, you're pushing to get a lynch. Although, I would like an explanation as to why your vote is still on me @cozmikrae. Also, we've repeatedly lynched new players because we thought they were suspicious, and they almost always flipped town from what I can remember, just because it might've worked out with TGN is not really fair.

Lol you guys really want my whole strategy. I'm not new to WW/mafia type games, but I am new to playing with you guys and new to forums. So I'm playing my cards close to my chest because that seems wise.

That said, you all are relentless. My vote is on you because I wanted to see what would happen. Like 5 posts in, a joke about killing someone was as much proof as I needed. Additionally, 2 votes for Hapi had already happened. I didn't (still don't) know much about Hapi and didn't necessarily see that jumping on that blood sacrifice bandwagon was advantageous. So I went the other route. My vote is still on you, because it's the only one, (I believe?) so you're not exactly getting lynched. And right this second, I'm not all the way convinced about voting for anyone else. Although, that will rapidly change in the next few hours. That said, you defended me and I believe you had no dishonest reasons to do so, so...

Unvote.

1) As I already stated to Minish, I am absolutely doing it for the reactions.

2) I KNEW IT!

Relevant Minish quotes

Red has been interesting. There's something about his posts that sound like they come from scum mindset to me and I can't quite put my finger on it. Kinda feels like he's trying to shield suspicion on certain players in less of an uninformed town mindset. But that could just be his normal way of posting. It's hard to get too much meta on people when I've only played here a couple of times and the games are so big.

So I guess Red, Ruguo, Michi, Ogun, and Kane are the main ones that I'd like to keep an eye on.

Having these two close competing wagons is good though. My one hesitation with the Michi wagon is that it seems he possibly gets easy suspicions on him a lot? I would prefer his lynch over Hapi's right now though.

Vote: Michi

Oooh spicy. Winter has the same feeling on Red as I do. I don't quite agree with everything in his post (especially wagonimics because I love using that to find scum), but we're on kinda similar wavelengths here.

I honestly wasn't sure if I was just reading into Red too much, but someone that knows them better having similar reason helps bolster that a bit. And I love the idea of 3 competing wagons d1. So...

Unvote

Vote: Red Mones

For Minish

grimly looks at the times I messed up last game, goes for it anyway
A problem I have with you voting RM is that I really don't think it's RM. He's done more things that I feel comes from a townie mindset than from a scummy mindset, e.g. waffling on his vote on Mel and researching Michi's games to confirm my statements for himself. His statements "defending" cozmik wasn't even exactly defending her, but more exposing what I agree was hypocrisy in Mel's readlist and pushing back against Hapi's lack of strong reasoning. I'm quite bad at reading interactions, but the way cozmik attacked him for defending her also feels more natural and coming from a new player than not. Would you be able to state in your own words what you find suspicious about Red?

I'll have to think about Moot's statements more, but this is reminding me of the way he attacked Sapph in the LOTR game and I do see where he is coming from so I won't fault him for thinking someone is sus who I think is inno. You however are someone who I feel would have ISO'd Red and seen the same things I did, so now I'm wondering why you want RM as a wagon contender?

Another thing is that I think we can get more information out of Michi's lynch anyway, as I've said I've seen a link between him and BSR, which is better for town than a link between RM and cozmik, because cozmik has contributed to the discussion while BSR has not. Besides that Michi has been reticent to be forthcoming about any specific reads he has which I feel is a scummier play. Whether he is what I suppose is an easier lynch as a result of his style or not, there still is validation in suspicion against him that I'm really not seeing against RM.

I do like the idea have having multiple options to wagon at EoD, but it makes it that much easier for scum to swoop in and get a majority on a player I have been town tone-reading.

My main problem with the way you approached this is that it would be easy for you to set up RM to lynch him and have him flip town, then say something to the effect that you voted him for wagonomics and what I feel is a lackluster connection between him and an irl friend, and that you weren't around at EoD to switch while backtracking on the idea that you has previously sussed Michi. Would you please provide more justification for your vote on RM?

I'll admit that the suspicion on Red is partially just a gut feeling. As in, I didn't re-ISO him, but it was something I felt while catching up with the game. I tend to do that on d1 when there's no solid evidence but a lot of posts. And the fact that there are so many people this game and no easy way to ISO on mobile makes me take that approach more.

I can go back and look at his posts and point out what made me think that. But really, as of my post it was that I felt he was defending people as if he were in an informed position. It didn't sound like unsure town thoughts. It felt much more certain. I didn't feel like it was just with cozmik either, but I'll recheck that.

What's the link with Michi and BSR again btw?

Also, I think cozmik is likely town so I'm not so much linking them. My suspicion was about Red's tone and not his connection to any certain person.


As to your problems with my vote. I wasn't even expecting anyone to feel similar about Red but wanted my suspicion out there in case I died n1. So it wasn't setting up a lynch by any means. I was uncertain on Red myself, but when Wintermoot seemingly felt the same, it made me want to explore that option more.

Hypothetically, if I'm scum here do you think Wintermoot is also my scumbud?

Also sorry if I didn't address everything, if there's something I forgot you can ask me again. I just get kinda sidetracked responding to long stuff on mobile.

Phew, all y'all people saying you're not saying anything as to not look suspicious are looking suspicious.

I would normally be on that, as scum will often avoid saying much so as not to slip so it's much more a scum tactic than town. Since town shouldn't be afraid of stating their mind because it's the only way we can figure this game out. And there are just too many people saying this for me to think they're all scum.

Ogun and Kane had some iffy posts to me in my read through. But it's really weak so not anything I feel worth pursuing at the moment.

Red has been interesting. There's something about his posts that sound like they come from scum mindset to me and I can't quite put my finger on it. Kinda feels like he's trying to shield suspicion on certain players in less of an uninformed town mindset. But that could just be his normal way of posting. It's hard to get too much meta on people when I've only played here a couple of times and the games are so big.

Silver, er Ruguo, I do have some meta on (though not great because I don't remember his scum game that well), and he has felt a little off tone wise to me this game. He's throwing out a lot of suspicion when I usually find he's more lost as town. But it could also be a case of knowing y'all better.


So I guess Red, Ruguo, Michi, Ogun, and Kane are the main ones that I'd like to keep an eye on.

Having these two close competing wagons is good though. My one hesitation with the Michi wagon is that it seems he possibly gets easy suspicions on him a lot? I would prefer his lynch over Hapi's right now though.

Vote: Michi

The one thing keeping Red off my scumspects list is the fact that Red and cozmik are apparently IRL friends, and that this is cozmik's first game here. Red being super defensive of cozmik thus makes sense because I'm sure Red wants cozmik's first game with us to be fun.

Though that friendship could also provide excellent cover for Red and/or cozmik, Red's vote flip-flopping is pretty consistent with townie Red, at least based off the games we've played together.

I'm 100% agreed with you on Ruguo though.

Wait, I don't quite understand. What are you holding on to regarding BSR? Am I missing something?

On another note, I did not realize quite how many people had yet to vote and/or post. Perhaps I have been jumpy considering that there are people we have yet to hear from, ans statistically speaking, one of them will say something that will end up being useful.

All shall be revealed come night time. :p I would have expected Mel to pick it up, not sure why she hasn't yet. :/

Wintermoot, BSR, Daw, and Alexander haven't posted even once. I am sad about it.

If you're referencing how a quiet BSR is usually a scummy BSR, I definitely noticed that. Otherwise, I'm on Day 2 of a sound-triggered migraine and will probably kick myself for not noticing once the brainpower currently occupied by pain is freed up in another day or two.

The main player I am not at all suspicious of so far is NyghtOwl.  I like their original voting justification so for now I will go off of that in case I am not active before the day ends.  BSR seems a bit too quiet so far but they haven't been online for a while so that is somewhat excusable.  I really don't have any plausible suspicions so far.  Just weak suspicions of Robin, Melehan, and Minish.  I just have a gut feeling with Minish for some reason.  Neither Hapi nor Michi seem scummy to me.  Everyone else is generally on the same level as Hapi and Michi, neither suspicious nor not suspicious.

I will vote BraveSirRobin for now since they fit the bill and I wonder if they are doing what I often do: view the forums without logging in.

I've been holding on to something regarding BSR for a while, but would honestly rather have us focus on the wagons before us atm. BSR hasn't contributed enough of anything to warrant a lynch D1, considering he even has yet to post. Let's just say if Michi flips scum, BSR will become the most likely player to be scum in my eyes immediately.

Though, with this post, I'm thinking I'm missing the thing.

@Vroendal

I just did an ISO of Red so I could see his progress all together instead of at game pace. The thing that I was picking up on was with cozmik actually. It was that he was pushing the "y'all are gonna mislynch newb town" in a way that I felt came from scum knowing cozmik is town and trying to get easy town cred. Granted, they do seem to know each other irl, so I could see how he would he more likely to have that feeling towards someone he personally knows. However cozmik later said she's not exactly new to mafia so it seems a little odd for Red to use that reasoning.


Also, I was unaware that it was Red who got a few votes on him at the beginning for his opening joke (no offense, but people I don't play with a lot and know fairly well tend to run together to me in games). So it could have been more possible to get votes on him than I thought, so I do see how you could potentially conclude a mislynch setup from me if I'm scum.


Also something I remembered upon my ISO was him pointing out that Mel was possibly hinting at something, voting her, then immediately unvoting saying maybe he saw what she was hinting at but maybe not. I typically find that scum is more likely to point out any potential softs or hints or whatnot, but town is less likely to as not to out potential power roles.

I'll admit that the suspicion on Red is partially just a gut feeling. As in, I didn't re-ISO him, but it was something I felt while catching up with the game. I tend to do that on d1 when there's no solid evidence but a lot of posts. And the fact that there are so many people this game and no easy way to ISO on mobile makes me take that approach more.

I can go back and look at his posts and point out what made me think that. But really, as of my post it was that I felt he was defending people as if he were in an informed position. It didn't sound like unsure town thoughts. It felt much more certain. I didn't feel like it was just with cozmik either, but I'll recheck that.

What's the link with Michi and BSR again btw?

Also, I think cozmik is likely town so I'm not so much linking them. My suspicion was about Red's tone and not his connection to any certain person.


As to your problems with my vote. I wasn't even expecting anyone to feel similar about Red but wanted my suspicion out there in case I died n1. So it wasn't setting up a lynch by any means. I was uncertain on Red myself, but when Wintermoot seemingly felt the same, it made me want to explore that option more.

Hypothetically, if I'm scum here do you think Wintermoot is also my scumbud?

Also sorry if I didn't address everything, if there's something I forgot you can ask me again. I just get kinda sidetracked responding to long stuff on mobile.

Hmm, your answer satisfies me for now. I do think that if you want to throw out your suspicions in case you die you should really point out specifically what pinged you about him though.

I want the link between Michi and BSR to be pointed out by @Melehan I'm not a huge fan that she hasn't said anything about what I feel would be obvious to her. (Hmm, I was about to post this when I saw her post) By EoD if no one points it out I'll explain what I'm pinged by. My theory relies on Michi being scum though, so I kinda want to focus on one at a time.

You say you weren't setting up a lynch but you also wanted to start the track of putting RM on a major wagon? That kind of seems the same to me.

I think that if hypothetically you were scum you would be far more likely to pile on a vote from town than from a fellow scumbud. If you and Moot did flip scum at a later time I suppose I would see it though, but as of right now that one interaction isn't saying it to me.

Minish Quote

@Vroendal

I just did an ISO of Red so I could see his progress all together instead of at game pace. The thing that I was picking up on was with cozmik actually. It was that he was pushing the "y'all are gonna mislynch newb town" in a way that I felt came from scum knowing cozmik is town and trying to get easy town cred. Granted, they do seem to know each other irl, so I could see how he would he more likely to have that feeling towards someone he personally knows. However cozmik later said she's not exactly new to mafia so it seems a little odd for Red to use that reasoning.


Also, I was unaware that it was Red who got a few votes on him at the beginning for his opening joke (no offense, but people I don't play with a lot and know fairly well tend to run together to me in games). So it could have been more possible to get votes on him than I thought, so I do see how you could potentially conclude a mislynch setup from me if I'm scum.


Also something I remembered upon my ISO was him pointing out that Mel was possibly hinting at something, voting her, then immediately unvoting saying maybe he saw what she was hinting at but maybe not. I typically find that scum is more likely to point out any potential softs or hints or whatnot, but town is less likely to as not to out potential power roles.

(Btw, if you want to limit text walls, you can put the quote in the spoiler function, you can just highlight everything you want in it than click the "Sp button, you can name your spoilers by putting "=whatever you want to name it" after the word spoiler at the top within the command)

I'll have to ponder the connection a little more, right now I just think I'm not seeing what you're seeing. I still think it's a better idea to go after Michi at this point.

I think RM, having not watched AoT, was suspicious of Mel for quoting what to him was confusing and chaotic character references and was put off by it rather than seeing a hint of a power role. I also think if he wanted to hint at it he could go about it in far better ways than voting and immediately unvoting.

I shall explore your theories more, but just in short I'm not feeling it right now.

I'd also just like to point out that the now rather substantial lead Michi has in votes at the moment speaks to me of a wolf pile in there somewhere. We're not so much at multiple wagons as we are seeing The Michi Wagon & The Stragglers.

For that reason, I don't believe Michi is actually scum, and I'd recommend looking closer at who has voted and still is voting for Michi up to this point.

I'll admit that the suspicion on Red is partially just a gut feeling. As in, I didn't re-ISO him, but it was something I felt while catching up with the game. I tend to do that on d1 when there's no solid evidence but a lot of posts. And the fact that there are so many people this game and no easy way to ISO on mobile makes me take that approach more.

I can go back and look at his posts and point out what made me think that. But really, as of my post it was that I felt he was defending people as if he were in an informed position. It didn't sound like unsure town thoughts. It felt much more certain. I didn't feel like it was just with cozmik either, but I'll recheck that.

What's the link with Michi and BSR again btw?

Also, I think cozmik is likely town so I'm not so much linking them. My suspicion was about Red's tone and not his connection to any certain person.


As to your problems with my vote. I wasn't even expecting anyone to feel similar about Red but wanted my suspicion out there in case I died n1. So it wasn't setting up a lynch by any means. I was uncertain on Red myself, but when Wintermoot seemingly felt the same, it made me want to explore that option more.

Hypothetically, if I'm scum here do you think Wintermoot is also my scumbud?

Also sorry if I didn't address everything, if there's something I forgot you can ask me again. I just get kinda sidetracked responding to long stuff on mobile.

Hmm, your answer satisfies me for now. I do think that if you want to throw out your suspicions in case you die you should really point out specifically what pinged you about him though.

I want the link between Michi and BSR to be pointed out by @Melehan I'm not a huge fan that she hasn't said anything about what I feel would be obvious to her. (Hmm, I was about to post this when I saw her post) By EoD if no one points it out I'll explain what I'm pinged by. My theory relies on Michi being scum though, so I kinda want to focus on one at a time.

You say you weren't setting up a lynch but you also wanted to start the track of putting RM on a major wagon? That kind of seems the same to me.

I think that if hypothetically you were scum you would be far more likely to pile on a vote from town than from a fellow scumbud. If you and Moot did flip scum at a later time I suppose I would see it though, but as of right now that one interaction isn't saying it to me.

I did give out the general reason of why I was suspicious of him before I voted him. It was about his tone feeling like it came from an informed mindset, ie scum. With suspicion that isn't super strong, generally if I died I would want people to consider what I said and go back to see if they felt the same.


I'd be interested to hear this connection. Because it potentially sounds like something I wouldn't be privy to, so the point about me switching and not exploring the connection there would he kinda moot.


I meant when I stated my suspicion of Red it was before I voted him. At the time I voted Michi. So it would he odd for me to try to set up a wagon that I didn't think would be going anywhere. This is in the mindset of me being scum btw, since that's how your problems with my suspicion were viewing me. If I'm scum, I don't wait for one potential vote there and immediately hop to it. Actually if I'm scum there I probably don't vote Michi yet and hedge my bets to see if I can get a more preferable mislynch.


And I asked if you think I'm scum with Wintermoot in that scenario because I was going to say that I'm never that agreeable with scumbuds. Haha.