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[Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?]

Do you want to start lynching by majority this round?

Yes

7 (87.5%)

No

1 (12.5%)

Total Members Voted: 8

Voting closed: February 24, 2021, 10:57:44 AM

I'll admit, I'm now completely lost in this game Lol. Anyways, I don't really see it with Kane, he seems to playing aas he usually does. I guess I'll throw on TGN

Vote: TGN

If this doesn't help to clear things up, maybe we need to PoE players until we find our scum like Lau did last game.

Seriously, where are everyone else's votes? It's 4ish hours to EOD. Town cannot be pulling this shit again after the flurry of bullshit at the end got the Seer lynched.

The activity is driving people away. It certainly has for me, though I could've kept up had I not been busy over this week.

in hopes to tie the game
Vote: Imaginative Kane

I'll admit, I'm now completely lost in this game Lol. Anyways, I don't really see it with Kane, he seems to playing aas he usually does. I guess I'll throw on TGN

Vote: TGN

If this doesn't help to clear things up, maybe we need to PoE players until we find our scum like Lau did last game.

I think voting TGN isn't a completely terrible idea, but doubtless even if you consider TGN a wolf there was at least one more wolf who voted Sapph, and personally I think Kane slipped by very easily in the Portal game. If we're lynching TGN, so be it, but I think Kane is even more likely to be a wolf, and I dislike how he used Wintermoot's vote as a jumping-off point to vote Sapph himself. I also dislike how his vote came after Sapph said he was more useful alive to town than dead, I realize I did not change my vote off of Sapph immediately after that myself, but it still hinted power role to me, and I know Kane read the LOTR game yet he still voted Sapph after the hint without commenting on it.

Players:
1. Ruguo
2. Red Mones
3. Vroendal
4. Gerrick
5. Adorable Oracle Hapi
6. Anubhav Ghosh
7. Sapphiron - Cop
8. Wischland
9. Minish
10. Michi
11. Imaginative Kane
12. BraveSirRobin
13. TGN
14. Wintermoot
15. NyghtOwl
16. Melehan
17. Doc
18. Ogun of Valeria / Legacy of Smiles
19. Alexander Valentine / ExLight
20. cozmikrae
21. Eastern New England / HumanDawn

Final Vote Count:

Gerrick - 1 (Red Mones)
Sapphiron - 6 (Minish, Imaginative Kane, TGN, Wintermoot, Legacy of Smiles, Human Dawn)
BraveSirRobin - 2 (Gerrick, NyghtOwl)
TGN - 6 (Vroendal, Sapphiron, Wischland, BraveSirRobin, Doc, ExLight)

Not voting: Anubhav Ghosh, Cozmikrae, Michi

From Day 3 EoD, I'm mostly bothered with Cozmikrae for his unvote putting a soft PR at risk and Anubhav Ghosh ignoring the Sapphiron soft claim. ExLight said he didn't necessarily trust the soft PR claim, but his vote was actually on TGN, not Sapphiron, so I can't really get bothered by that (sorry ExLight for the disappointed comment earlier).

I am okay with throwing TGN a bone for voting Sapphiron for survival and in the case that Sapphiron could be scum to help clear him, and he's new at the game too.

I want to know where @Imaginative Kane, @Wintermoot and @Legacy of Smile were doing. For me and Minish we weren't around EoD and I was asleep when the softclaim happened. Phase updates at 7AM and I didn't make an alarm to wake up at that time.

Out of Cozmikrae and Anubhav Ghosh, I don't know which one bothers me more. They were both off plays. Cozmikrae comes off as more experienced than Anubhav to me, so his play is more suspect.

Vote: Cozmikrae

I am a she btw.

So... actually this is my lack of experience showing here. I understood that Sapph was softing a role, but as I wasn't voting for him, I wasn't concerned with it. But at the end, I got caught up in sudden flash of intuition and last minute scum reads (Vro, Ghosh and ExLight). Suddenly concerned that I was lynching a townie, I jumped off the boat, forgetting to consider that I was putting a potential power role in danger. Hindsight is 20/20, I won't be doing that again. I completely agree, a vanilla townie TGN should have been sacrificed to save the seer. The whole concept of wagonomics and how my vote factors into influencing a lynch I didn't personally vote for is kinda new to me.

Quite a few noobies here... My biggest issue is how late the unvote was. You got a sudden flash and last minute reads exactly before EoD? I feel like that's a bit harder to believe. Anubhav claims ignorance to the situation, but you knew about the power role and what the lynch would mean.

Do you have other reads at least? Who would you vote today? (unless you have already voted somebody else, in which case ignore this part and i will check it out)

I haven't voted yet. Real life has been busy.

And yes, there was a flurry of posts at the end of the day, that's what I was reading and reacting to. It may be hard to believe, but the truth is often complex. I understood "don't lynch a power role" what I failed to understand was not lynching TGN would likely end in Sapph's lynch.

I have some rereading to do to decide on reads and my vote for tonight.

I haven't voted yet. Real life has been busy.

And yes, there was a flurry of posts at the end of the day, that's what I was reading and reacting to. It may be hard to believe, but the truth is often complex. I understood "don't lynch a power role" what I failed to understand was not lynching TGN would likely end in Sapph's lynch.

I have some rereading to do to decide on reads and my vote for tonight.

What part of it exactly did you "fail to understand?" You knew that a tie would result in a coinflip because you sussed me D2 over my choice of inaction during the D1 vote where a coinflip occured. Did you not understand what the votecount was? I don't ask this question with malice (yet), I just want to understand what you're saying here.

I haven't voted yet. Real life has been busy.

And yes, there was a flurry of posts at the end of the day, that's what I was reading and reacting to. It may be hard to believe, but the truth is often complex. I understood "don't lynch a power role" what I failed to understand was not lynching TGN would likely end in Sapph's lynch.

I have some rereading to do to decide on reads and my vote for tonight.

What part of it exactly did you "fail to understand?" You knew that a tie would result in a coinflip because you sussed me D2 over my choice of inaction during the D1 vote where a coinflip occured. Did you not understand what the votecount was? I don't ask this question with malice (yet), I just want to understand what you're saying here.

No I didn't have the votecount in my head.

Honestly, I think it might just be time to lynch TGN -- as other have pointed out -- based on the fact that it seems we're always gonna be coming back to him as one of the top wagons.

Vote: TGN

My other top scum read is cozmikrae. The only thing preventing me from voting her (besides TGN) is the fact she voted relatively early for Ruguo (vote number 4 of 9) on D2 (but that could've been Ruguo allowing her to bus them for town cred since they're now focused on hosting the next werewolf). Besides the fact that she pulled a Vro on D3 and unvoted TGN at the last minute (almost literally), which caused Sapphiron to get coinflip-lynched, her actions on D2 were suspicious.

Early on D2, her vote on TGN was only the second vote at the time (besides Doc's vote on Vro, as well as TGN's vote and unvote on Wintermoot if you count that). Later she switched her vote from TGN to Vroendal based on the fact that TGN gave a reads list (having made a promise that she'd unvote him if he did so, just as Ruguo did...) and that Vroendal caused Hapi's coinflip lynch on D1 (which she ironically did on D3...) -- note that her vote on Vroendal put him in the majority. She soon after switched to No Lynch immediately after Ruguo also voted for Vroendal. She had a short back and forth with Ruguo on why she shouldn't join the bandwagon on them (Vroendal had switched to vote for Ruguo immediately after cozmik's No Lynch vote, putting Ruguo at 3 votes versus Vro's 6). She replies to Ruguo, "But the TGN thing either links you two, or makes you town. I’m still inclined to think TGN is innocent. So still no lynch for me I suppose" (since Ruguo flipped scum, that means TGN is as well, right?). 17 minutes later, Melehan makes a comment about how both Ruguo and I were on Michi's wagon D1. This somehow was enough to make her switch to vote for Ruguo. Strange that after Ruguo flipped scum that she didn't immediately jump on me D3.

@cozmikrae, you've mentioned multiple times that you're suspicious of ExLight. What's pinging you about him?

Goddamn, that literally took me an hour... I really need to start just posting my vote before typing out the rest of the post so that it's in before 10 more posts/votes flood in, which is also what happened D2.

Ok so... I took a look at who jumped on Sapphiron's wagon after the soft. Excluding TGN who was self-serving, Wintermoot and Kane both jumped on after the fact.

Vote: Imaginative Kane

No I didn't have the votecount in my head.

You see, what I'm hung up on now that I think about it, is that you say this, but your quote here

Sus of exlight. I’ll need to do some rereading to say why. But I’m getting wolfy vibes.

Also sus of this sudden Vro/Ghosh alliance.

talks about my "alliance" with Ghosh, when my conversation with him took place on the previous page in which there was a prominent votecount that Doc gave with the two main wagons clearly laid out in the midst on my convo. I'm finding it less easy to believe you simply missed it.

If you’re pitying them because they’re a newer player that’s fine, but it’s just part of the game and they’re just reaping what they sow, I feel a lot worse about someone that gets shot N1 regardless of their experience because they barely have a chance to do anything for themselves than someone lynched at D4 that was in the spotlight in the last 144h, but even so most (if not any) scum wouldn’t hold the kill. So yes, I’m not comfortable letting people play their own parallel game here in a game that is about teamwork like TGN did D2, it’s like letting a baby play with a beach ball in the middle of a soccer game but instead of a baby it’s a fully grown adult that is more than capable of understanding how they’re being disruptive.

Came back to this to point out TGN's a 13 year old kid, so he literally isn't fully grown nor an adult. Regardless, I think he should be capable of realizing that how he's playing compared to everyone else is not helping his cause.

I'll admit, I'm now completely lost in this game Lol. Anyways, I don't really see it with Kane, he seems to playing aas he usually does. I guess I'll throw on TGN

Vote: TGN

If this doesn't help to clear things up, maybe we need to PoE players until we find our scum like Lau did last game.

I think voting TGN isn't a completely terrible idea, but doubtless even if you consider TGN a wolf there was at least one more wolf who voted Sapph, and personally I think Kane slipped by very easily in the Portal game. If we're lynching TGN, so be it, but I think Kane is even more likely to be a wolf, and I dislike how he used Wintermoot's vote as a jumping-off point to vote Sapph himself. I also dislike how his vote came after Sapph said he was more useful alive to town than dead, I realize I did not change my vote off of Sapph immediately after that myself, but it still hinted power role to me, and I know Kane read the LOTR game yet he still voted Sapph after the hint without commenting on it.

I had not seen that post (or most of the other posts) from that day when I made that vote.

In the interests of self preservation, even if I am not as opposed to the idea of the lynch happening unfortunately (similar to why Town of Salem Vigilantes die), I will try to close the gap.  You all are definitely wasting time with this vote but there does not seem to be much I can do to defend myself that I have not already done.

Vote TGN

If TGN is voted off and ends up being town than I will not post in this thread the next day to make any defense (if I am still suspicious).

I saw that post after the day phase ended when people quoted it.  If Wintermoot had quoted it than I probably did not notice it.  That is the full truth.

No I didn't have the votecount in my head.

You see, what I'm hung up on now that I think about it, is that you say this, but your quote here

Sus of exlight. I’ll need to do some rereading to say why. But I’m getting wolfy vibes.

Also sus of this sudden Vro/Ghosh alliance.

talks about my "alliance" with Ghosh, when my conversation with him took place on the previous page in which there was a prominent votecount that Doc gave with the two main wagons clearly laid out in the midst on my convo. I'm finding it less easy to believe you simply missed it.

I did miss it. Lol... There are a lot of posts to keep track of, and I felt rushed against the clock. Even if had I taken note of the count, I wouldn't have been able recount it in my head to remove my vote and be cognizant of the fact that I was causing a tie. I also had missed that Sapph, the power role in question, was the other wagon; again there's a lot to keep track of. There were a lot of little details that went into my missing the effect of my vote. I was also on my phone, which makes switching between pages difficult.

When I say the whole wagonomics thing is still not quite making sense, this is what I'm talking about. More experienced players are more practiced at keeping the relevant details in their heads, I am not. I went off a gut reaction that was growing in the last literally 5ish minutes of the game. I felt I was getting a handle on the people and the names in about D2, around Ruguo's lynch. The next day we added like 3 players. And a bunch of the quiet people came out of the woodwork. Many of you more experienced players have complained at the rate of posts in this game, I've never played forum mafia before and until today I've felt I've done a good job of keeping up.