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Werewolf XXIII: A Lord of the Rings Adventure
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Wintermoot
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  • As for Moot, that one was an actual mistake on my part. I was feeling targeted and wanted to deflect on someone else because the stress was getting a little much for D1, I haven't played WW for months this has been rough. :/ I kinda just invented reasons half-heartedly and hoped Moot would slip up and say something that actually hinted to him being wolf.
    I can understand not wanting to be lynched, but I can't understand why you would by your own admission make up reasons to misdirect people to someone else. In this game, that one post has felt the most wrong to me because it was so random, was initially based on nothing but your supposed feelings, and then your actual reason after Laurentus challenged you to provide it wasn't much better. I've ignored that feeling cause I thought maybe I was taking it too personal, but this post validates that when you cast suspicion on me it wasn't in good faith.

    But since I'm being accused, lets think like scum.  :D I am sure this may backfire but why not. If I was scum, I think the best thing scum would do would be to take out one of the major players that have been confirmed to be town, which would be Lau, and maybe someone like Hapi or Gerrick?
    I don't agree with your reasoning. As Laurentus has pointed out, anyone can claim to have mechanically cleared a player...when those players are then put in people's town core, we're more or less taking them at their word until there's some kind of proof otherwise. But if wolves are trying to hide in the background, then there's value in keeping Laurentus, Hapi, and Vro specifically in the game as long as possible regardless of their roles, just because they're so prominent, active, and have a tendency to end up bickering with each other to the point of obscuring other players (though it hasn't been as bad this round as it was the last). For example, a good portion of both day 2 and 3 has been spent discussing Vro specifically...he's probably by far the most discussed player in this game.

    this is why I like the list, very clear to me.
    You like a list that puts you as possibly scum? :P

    That reminds me, there was some talk about TGN this day, and I will say he seems to have an ability to quickly pick up on things...like how to use a forum and possibly how to play Werewolf. I don't have any feeling for his role one way or another, but he seems to quickly be becoming a better player.

    In any case, I'm going to Vote: Vroendal this round. There's nothing I can point to specifically for him that I haven't before (besides my thoughts on his faux-suspicion towards me that I posted above), but he seems to become one of the main topics of discussion every round, and at this point I feel it's become a distraction. I feel like if we don't definitely settle who he is, we're going to be locked in the same holding pattern for the rest of the game which as I said above may be to the benefit of less active wolves that are getting lost in the shuffle. The alternative seems to be ogun, and besides my disagreement with him on the potential motives of wolves, I don't see any reason he's more (or less) suspicious than Vro.
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  • If I'm picking up what Vro is putting down then his lynch wouldn't be awful besides the fact it would be a mislynch. So I won't fight it too hard, but I do think we can also gain some information from lynching elsewhere on the Michi wagon.
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  • And no, getting rid of a major player like Lau is not necessarily to the advantage of the Wolves. Our constant confusion over the lack of deaths and consequently lack of signs have led to admittedly unproductive discussions, besides finding out and killing off an unaligned. Killing off Lau, the perceived Town Leader, would secure his following as Town Core and that voting bloc can start voting off the rest.
    Interestingly, I actually mentioned this reasoning as to why my reasoning could have been bad, interesting how you ignored that, kind of makes me wonder if you just picked and choosed what you wanted in my long post.

    Furthermore, in his latest post defending himself, there is a weird inclusion to defend TGN even though there isn't really a wagon against him right now. And a lack of voting does not indicate a lack of desire to join bandwagon, it's a contorted link.
    I was merely responding to Lau's arguments as Lau has said throughout the game that he suspected TGN was scum and that I thought the point that TGN was being told to fake being ignorant was interesting to say the least.

    So yeah, I think I understand your responses but don't really suggest scum in my view.

    Funny that I said that my post would almost definitely backfire and everyone would vote me, at least I know my thinking is partly true. Seems that everyone has jumped on the banwagon to vote for me, your loss I guess.

    I vote Vro, simply because earlier he not even suspected me at all and most likely jumped the banwagon on my vote so that at least they get saved this round. That is why I will state again that the wolf/Vro was smart in this round and didn't kill someone most likely because it would take the eyes off of him onto the "inactives," removing 1 townsperson, and giving him another night to kill, inching his way to victory.

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  • Vote Ogun
    Alot of what people have already said, but generally Ogun just gives me weird vibes. Looking back through their posts they are very quiet, mainly only popping up to defend themselves, Vro, and TGN, without making any accusations or providing opinions on other people. Their highly defensive playstyle, especially when so closely focused on a select few players strikes me as suspicious. If Ogun does turn out to be scum, I'd suggest we follow up by lynching TGN and Vro. Otherwise, Ogun has just made some strange comments, for example, voting for Michi without any explained reasoning besides "'my precious' vibes" on D2 while also claiming not to be jumping on the bandwagon. Reading between the lines as if Ogun were scum, this says to me that they know Michi isn't scum and don't really understand all the arguments behind lynching that way, but will go with it because it's a mislynch. Weird stuff, hence the vote.

    A side note on Vro, while I do understand the suspicion on Vro, I believe Ogun seems more scummy than Vro does. Vro still gives me townie vibes, and it kinda seems like people have been voting for Vro cause they don't know where else to turn. If Ogun does turn out to be scum, then, for the reasons above, I'll be more open to lynching Vro. But not today.
    wait... I play defensively?
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  • If I'm picking up what Vro is putting down then his lynch wouldn't be awful besides the fact it would be a mislynch. So I won't fight it too hard, but I do think we can also gain some information from lynching elsewhere on the Michi wagon.
    I quite agree. I am completely fine with dying since it gives town one less worry, I would just prefer not to die as a lynch when there are still 4 confirmed scum left. I agree with Moot in that I am the most discussed player which is not a good thing. I need to go, people won't even trust scans at this point, I would just prefer if it weren't here and now this very Day Phase and that hopefully we lynch a wolf here.
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  • Vote Ogun
    Alot of what people have already said, but generally Ogun just gives me weird vibes. Looking back through their posts they are very quiet, mainly only popping up to defend themselves, Vro, and TGN, without making any accusations or providing opinions on other people. Their highly defensive playstyle, especially when so closely focused on a select few players strikes me as suspicious. If Ogun does turn out to be scum, I'd suggest we follow up by lynching TGN and Vro. Otherwise, Ogun has just made some strange comments, for example, voting for Michi without any explained reasoning besides "'my precious' vibes" on D2 while also claiming not to be jumping on the bandwagon. Reading between the lines as if Ogun were scum, this says to me that they know Michi isn't scum and don't really understand all the arguments behind lynching that way, but will go with it because it's a mislynch. Weird stuff, hence the vote.

    A side note on Vro, while I do understand the suspicion on Vro, I believe Ogun seems more scummy than Vro does. Vro still gives me townie vibes, and it kinda seems like people have been voting for Vro cause they don't know where else to turn. If Ogun does turn out to be scum, then, for the reasons above, I'll be more open to lynching Vro. But not today.
    wait... I play defensively?
    I think they were trying to say that I only came to defend you and others though that was merely to try and chime into the conversation but yeah. I still don't think you are scum, but my opinion doesn't matter since I'm being voted anyway.
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  • I vote Vro, simply because earlier he not even suspected me at all and most likely jumped the banwagon on my vote so that at least they get saved this round. That is why I will state again that the wolf/Vro was smart in this round and didn't kill someone most likely because it would take the eyes off of him onto the "inactives," removing 1 townsperson, and giving him another night to kill, inching his way to victory.
    I would like to clarify that not once have I said I thought you were innocent, I've merely been null reading you without downgrading you to scum. I just thought there were other people we could be asking about as well before moving on so quickly.
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  • If I'm picking up what Vro is putting down then his lynch wouldn't be awful besides the fact it would be a mislynch. So I won't fight it too hard, but I do think we can also gain some information from lynching elsewhere on the Michi wagon.
    I quite agree. I am completely fine with dying since it gives town one less worry, I would just prefer not to die as a lynch when there are still 4 confirmed scum left. I agree with Moot in that I am the most discussed player which is not a good thing. I need to go, people won't even trust scans at this point, I would just prefer if it weren't here and now this very Day Phase and that hopefully we lynch a wolf here.
    You unfortunately will not be getting a wolf lynch this turn, since they are lynching me, but I know you are the scum!!!!
    *begins pointing voraciously*

    You may have been able to fool them by getting them off you for one round, but you can't deceive me!
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  • I try to think that I tend to try to be a more careful player, lurking in the shadows and reading people's posts, though that often backfires, like now. Being more willing to accuse someone and then proceed to have your arguments destroyed often makes you more sus. That is probably one of the factors to why TGN is being seen as scum, and the point that he is pretending to be an inexperienced and careless player is interesting to say the least. I think that is also one of my mistakes from not voting in round 1, though I could argue it shows that I try to avoid jumping the bandwagon.
    Isn't TGN actually inexperienced and not pretending to be inexperienced?
    Actually, if this whole "TGN is inexperienced" thing is a ruse, and Ogun's cooperating with TGN in scum-chat, then publicly exposing it is either incompetence or an attempt to personally get off the hook.

    If neither of those scenarios are believable, we likely have to assume Ogun's not a wolf.
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  • I try to think that I tend to try to be a more careful player, lurking in the shadows and reading people's posts, though that often backfires, like now. Being more willing to accuse someone and then proceed to have your arguments destroyed often makes you more sus. That is probably one of the factors to why TGN is being seen as scum, and the point that he is pretending to be an inexperienced and careless player is interesting to say the least. I think that is also one of my mistakes from not voting in round 1, though I could argue it shows that I try to avoid jumping the bandwagon.
    Isn't TGN actually inexperienced and not pretending to be inexperienced?
    Actually, if this whole "TGN is inexperienced" thing is a ruse, and Ogun's cooperating with TGN in scum-chat, then publicly exposing it is either incompetence or an attempt to personally get off the hook.

    If neither of those scenarios are believable, we likely have to assume Ogun's not a wolf.
    I believe it was Lau that suggested the "TGN is inexperienced ruse," is being told to him by other scum so that they just excuse his erratic posts as that of a newcomer, but I don't believe that simply because I think TGN is legitimately just inexperienced and trying to survive the game.
    And yes, we should assume Ogun is not the wolf.
    Just getting all this posting in, though I'm beginning to look and feel erratic while posting, like my fate has been sealed and I am simply trying to save myself from impending doom. At least I will be with my father. Take care of my son, will you?
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  • Eowyn (Ogunbiyi), was lynched.
    Gandalf (HumanSanity), the “Seer” was lynched for inactivity.
    Sam (turtle), was lynched for inactivity.

    The final vote count was:
    Ogunbiyi - 7 (Laurentus, Vroendal, Hapi, Sapphiron, Flying Eagles, Minish, Wischland)
    Vroendal - 4 (BraveSirRobin, Dawsinian, Wintermoot, Ogunbiyi)
    HumanSanity - 1 (Doc)
    Flying Eagles - 1 (Gerrick)

    This is the end of Day 3, and the beginning of Night 3. Phase ends in 24 hours on Wednesday, the 16th, at 12 PM PST. Please send me your night actions!

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  • Whaaaaaaaa??? I actually thought he couldn't possibly be town at this point. o.O I suppose my original supposition was correct, somehow. If you want to lynch me tomorrow that's fine.
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  • And to Lau, the (fish) soup given to you from who I suppose is Eowyn is from a deleted scene in the movie Lord of the Rings, though I believe it was mentioned in the books.
    Well, this quote explains some things.

    Otherwise, isoing Ogun reveals they were sus of Michi, then Vro.
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  • And to Lau, the (fish) soup given to you from who I suppose is Eowyn is from a deleted scene in the movie Lord of the Rings, though I believe it was mentioned in the books.
    Well, this quote explains some things.
    Nvm, it just proves Lau had multiple visitors that night
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  • Oh, shit, Ogun was my visitor? Damn, I missed a clear hint, there.
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