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Can anyone tell me why my multi-quotes will be out of order when I go to reply?

Hmm. Let's see how I can test this.

@Vroendal, do you have one of the 3, the 7 or the 9?

Any specific reason you didn't ask about the 1?

Because not doing so would make it unfair to Town, too.

Tbf, I'm used to playing with not knowing the amount of mafia in a game so it doesn't seem unfair to me.

Well, whatever the case, I am fairly confident that a one-shot ability points to one of the rings.

Not necessarily. It's true that the rings would he x-shot abilities. However other characters could have x-shot items as well. Like just off the top of my head I think Gandalf's staff could potentially be one.

"Obviously, if the resuscitator and Dawsinian were both wolves, I could see why Dawsinian would get resuscitated. But for a townie resuscitator to go against the vote of the town and resuscitate Dawsinian. That seems somewhat less likely."

From @Flying Eagles. I'm quoting this from that print view. It's Flying Eagles' first post of D2, I think.

How do we rate the odds that this is a derp-clear? @Sapphiron and @Minish especially, I would like you to weigh in.

I'm not entirely sure it's a derp clear, mostly since Daws was killed during the day. So I could see mafia being unaware of what happened and not noticing the alignment flip. Though there is the fact that scumbuds would mention something about it. But I dunno, I don't put too much stock into derp clears.

That seems an excellent plan except for the ogun part Sapph. Why would lynching ogun give you more information than Flying or me? Ogun's a little low on my lynch list right now because he's said a bit without saying a bit, surely a lower priority?

This is an interesting quote. If we're still suspicious of Vro but aren't going to vote him yet I feel like Ogun might be a good choice because of this. He was in one of my three inactives we should lynch from today (if we're going that route), and here Vro is suggesting going elsewhere instead.

But I'm not sure if that carries over to this game. FE's posts haven't really gained any traction nor do the arguments seem to align with anyone player. The only thing I'm seeing is that he voted for you, Vro, after Lau did, and when Lau switched to Michi, so did FE. But FE also targeted Lau earlier, without much success. So maybe Lau is really the genius mastermind and has fooled us all. Or maybe FE is just making questionable posts because he's not really sure what's happening and doesn't have the same time to consider things as he did in the XKI WW game.

Well I'm going to keep trying to analyze this nonsense. Maybe I'll come up with something better.

I can see how you might equate Lau to Tuga especially since I didn't specify what I meant, but I'm not. I really really don't think it's Lau at this point just based on how he's posting, and with how BSR is saying that he has mechanically cleared Lau it really doesn't seem to be an option at all. :p That's one of the scummiest things you've said this game to me, though I suppose a wolf would be more likely to remember who's clearing who.

I think based on the parallels and dissimilarities in posting style that Flying is now suspicious enough to be properly wagoned. If you follow with my theory that at least most of the wolves are much more inactive, it would make sense that Flying would follow along with the game without a very clear mastermind such as the likes of Lau,  enough to merge into the background and coming up here and there to jump on a suspicion or thought someone has already stated. (If you ISO all his posts by clicking on his profile and "show posts" you might see what I mean.)

@Minish if you're not willing to go for Willie (hehe), would you be alright with a Flying vote as opposed to ENE and ogun? I'm fine with letting Willie go since the town is so split :/ I'm aware that my suspicious nature will make people unlikely to join my Willie wagon, and we need to set up someone along with me. If I'm wrong and Flying really is too wolfie to be a wolf, I will be unhappy but at least it will remove one more suspicion from this game.

Thank you for sharing this info with us Wisch, it was quite illuminating.

And thank you Sapph, that is quite interesting.
Hapi, oh Hapi... frankly I've been avoiding responding to your post. Suffice it to say that as a final gambit I can easily make Minish at least aware of my role without breaking any rules if I'm on the line and really want to survive.

@Laurentus Analysis of this?  If he can rope Minish in and this isn't a bluff we could go with a different scum core this round?  I'm not certain

Also Minish, with respect to your idea that information could be gleaned from players who may be hobbits and good pals if one of them kicks the bucket, I can with quite... reasonable accuracy state that might not be a great assumption to make.  lol

Ah, fair. I had certain reason to believe that could be the case but I guess not.

Might as well hint my role now. I see where this all is going. I may not have had the best logic this game, but I still think I played my role as well as I personally was capable of at the moment. My main goal has been to publicly sus a good amount of people while simultaneously trying to clear as many as possible for myself, to get people to talk more to get better reads from what they have to say, and to be killed by scum at night.

To @Laurentus specifically but also everyone else while honestly at this point I would be fine with and understand the motivation behind lynching me if just for information and to remove the doubt from everyone's mind to focus on those who need to be focused on, I would much rather remain alive, as I am far more useful that way. Lau I've been approaching the game as I have for a reason, I never seem to shut up do I? XD

I'm a stickler for the host's rules when I remember them, and I'm in the I think unique situation where my role and my character actively relates to one another, meaning if either one is revealed the other is instantly obvious to the experienced player. That being so I have avoided everything related to it just out of honor and because revealing it literally could give my role to the scum, rendering it useless on some levels. If you would like me to hint at my role I will, but I have avoided doing so thus far.

I am more useful alive than dead, and without revealing it.

I shall neither confirm nor deny your brilliant theories about rings.

Which role is best served from not minding death from scum, but minding death from town, that doesn't visit, and that's not afraid to be talkative and be wrong from the get-go?

@Minish I know that you can figure it out the most easily. If you need more hints I can try to be creative, my brain is fried right now I need sleep.

Any certain reason why I specifically would figure it out? Or is it just my experience with a variety of roles?


If it is loudmouth I actually don't have experience with that role. But that's a decent guess. My original thought was actually a bomb.

No reason for not asking about the one. I was actually just trying to ask if he had a ring without actually asking.

Any certain reason why I specifically would figure it out? Or is it just my experience with a variety of roles?


If it is loudmouth I actually don't have experience with that role. But that's a decent guess. My original thought was actually a bomb.

Yes, there is a certain reason, it shouldn't stump you for long.

Wait is it a variation of that? Because I don't see too much reason why being killed by town would be a problem. Unless you pass it on.

Wait is it a variation of that? Because I don't see too much reason why being killed by town would be a problem. Unless you pass it on.

Lynching a town is bad just for the virtue of lynching a town and giving a mafia another night to use an ability. And role mechanic stuff makes me hesitant of dying. (one-shot)

BTW, I am never announcing my night targets. It would make my ability completely useless.

Wait is it a variation of that? Because I don't see too much reason why being killed by town would be a problem. Unless you pass it on.

Lynching a town is bad just for the virtue of lynching a town and giving a mafia another night to use an ability. And role mechanic stuff makes me hesitant of dying. (one-shot)

Of course. Though it just seemed like you were saying there were consequences to town killing you but I think I get it. I doubt there's much chance of mafia killing you since you're potential mislynch bait if you are actually town.

I wanna ask a question just to be double sure but I'm not sure if you would get it and I'm not sure if you answering would be too against the rules. Lol.

Of course. Though it just seemed like you were saying there were consequences to town killing you but I think I get it. I doubt there's much chance of mafia killing you since you're potential mislynch bait if you are actually town.

I wanna ask a question just to be double sure but I'm not sure if you would get it and I'm not sure if you answering would be too against the rules. Lol.

Yeah. :/ Lau kept returning to me, which was my own fault I suppose but it's been discouraging.

You can always try asking, I'll use my own judgment. o.o

Of course. Though it just seemed like you were saying there were consequences to town killing you but I think I get it. I doubt there's much chance of mafia killing you since you're potential mislynch bait if you are actually town.

I wanna ask a question just to be double sure but I'm not sure if you would get it and I'm not sure if you answering would be too against the rules. Lol.

Yeah. :/ Lau kept returning to me, which was my own fault I suppose but it's been discouraging.

You can always try asking, I'll use my own judgment. o.o

You a fan of special brownies? (Though maybe this question isn't great because you may not want to give the appearance that you are when in actuality the answer isn't a personal one).

You a fan of special brownies? (Though maybe this question isn't great because you may not want to give the appearance that you are when in actuality the answer isn't a personal one).

Sorry, I'm not getting this at all. :p I would like to ask what this is about after the game though so I might know for the future.

You a fan of special brownies? (Though maybe this question isn't great because you may not want to give the appearance that you are when in actuality the answer isn't a personal one).

Sorry, I'm not getting this at all. :p I would like to ask what this is about after the game though so I might know for the future.

It was a bit of a longshot as it requires knowing a specific slang word for something.

There are a little over two hours left in this phase. As I would prefer to survive if only to avoid letting town lynch another townie, is there another wagon people would be interested in me voting? If not and I'm dying, that's fine as well, I won't be mad I get that you want information. Getting mislynched is not fun though. :/

That wagon on Michi definitely can't just be full town so I think focusing on that is good.


I'm having even more serious doubts about Vro in light of this new info. It checks out that that would be a role with this theme (hopefully I'm not just being a big dumb here and got it). But on the off chance Vro is actually scum I'm going to work with that idea in mind for today's alternative lynch.


Michi - 9 (Laurentus, Sapphiron, Doc, Vroendal, Ogunbiyi, Wischland, Wintermoot, Flying Eagles, Eastern New England)

You have Laur, Wintermoot, and I think Sapph as all people who are being mechanically townread from that vote. Wischland actually isn't looking too bad to me right now. Doc I'm not sure on but I've liked some of his posts.

So that leaves my 3 I said earlier. Someone (think it might have been Sapph?) made a decent post about voting ogunbiyi. And his vote is right in the middle which is a good spot for scum to nestle. So I think he's probably a decent choice for today.


Vote: Ogunbiyi

Works for me. I won't be surprised if he flips wolf.
Change vote: ogunbiyi6422

I try to think that I tend to try to be a more careful player, lurking in the shadows and reading people's posts, though that often backfires, like now. Being more willing to accuse someone and then proceed to have your arguments destroyed often makes you more sus. That is probably one of the factors to why TGN is being seen as scum, and the point that he is pretending to be an inexperienced and careless player is interesting to say the least. I think that is also one of my mistakes from not voting in round 1, though I could argue it shows that I try to avoid jumping the bandwagon.

Isn't TGN actually inexperienced and not pretending to be inexperienced?

 Vote Ogun
Alot of what people have already said, but generally Ogun just gives me weird vibes. Looking back through their posts they are very quiet, mainly only popping up to defend themselves, Vro, and TGN, without making any accusations or providing opinions on other people. Their highly defensive playstyle, especially when so closely focused on a select few players strikes me as suspicious. If Ogun does turn out to be scum, I'd suggest we follow up by lynching TGN and Vro. Otherwise, Ogun has just made some strange comments, for example, voting for Michi without any explained reasoning besides "'my precious' vibes" on D2 while also claiming not to be jumping on the bandwagon. Reading between the lines as if Ogun were scum, this says to me that they know Michi isn't scum and don't really understand all the arguments behind lynching that way, but will go with it because it's a mislynch. Weird stuff, hence the vote.

A side note on Vro, while I do understand the suspicion on Vro, I believe Ogun seems more scummy than Vro does. Vro still gives me townie vibes, and it kinda seems like people have been voting for Vro cause they don't know where else to turn. If Ogun does turn out to be scum, then, for the reasons above, I'll be more open to lynching Vro. But not today.

Under 2 hours left in this day phase! @HumanSanity and @turtle need to vote today to prevent an inactivity lynch!

The current vote count is:
Ogunbiyi - 7 (Laurentus, Vroendal, Hapi, Sapphiron, Flying Eagles, Minish, Wischland)
Vroendal - 2 (BraveSirRobin, Dawsinian)
HumanSanity - 1 (Doc)
Flying Eagles - 1 (Gerrick)

Actually, let's dispense with the paranoia: @Red Mones or @Ruguo, should a player ever change alignment, that would reflect in the scum count, would it not?

Follow-up question: as of this moment, what is the scum count?

We can neither confirm or deny your questions.

Also, while I said I would not enforce the rule against role hinting, I would like to remind everyone if this point Laurentus made:

Okay, so there is a strategy that we could actually employ here to make this a guaranteed win for Town: I could demand everyone to hint at their roles, and whoever isn't fellowship would just lose. Duplicates would lose pretty quickly, too, because then our process of elimination is just going to be for 8 people, instead of 20.

Since that is no fun, I will urge everyone not to do this, and stick to the original stipulation of "don't hint at roles."

I ask that you honor the rule. Of course, assume nothing from this post.