View Topic

Because I have one of the 3.

Oh that's cool! I'm actually jealous, imagine having any of those options.

It's getting rather close to EoD, I should probably vote now.
Vote: Michi

Many of the players I town-read are voting Michi, so I trust their judgement on top of my own. As Wisch pointed out, there are also a bunch of mechanical reasons.

Also - I'm running out of time and I prefer to stay alive 

Who are the players you're Town reading?

My town reads who voted Michi:

- Laurentus: Laurentus seems to have an aggressive playstyle, more aggressive than I would expect from a wolf. People who have played with them have also said that the style seems normal for their town-meta. AFAIK he has also been mechanically cleared by BSR.
- Wischland: I've only played with Wischland as town, but the way that she is currently acting and her post style pretty much sums up what I'd expect from her.
- Doc: Doc seems to come with good, logical arguments every now and then. They seem like town lean to me.
- Sapphiron: Sapphiron has cleared Hapi and Wintermoot, if I understand correctly? I can't really see a wolf clearing two people mechanically, especially if they are the same team.
- Wintermoot: Wintermoot is here solely because they are cleared and haven't done anything overly suspicious to make me think differently of them.

It's a bit hard to make reads on a bunch of people you don't know, so I could very well be wrong, but this is what made sense to me.

Yeah, none of those players were cleared before you made your vote for Michi on Day 2. Those clears were all made since Night 2.

Because I have one of the 3.

Oh that's cool! I'm actually jealous, imagine having any of those options.

I am finding this rather disturbing, because I kinda get the idea you don't know how to answer.

I cannot be sure about this, but my ring isn't described via LOTR terms, but rather by an adjective. Which means without the prerequisite LOTR knowledge, it's probably beyond reasonable means to identify the exact ring Mones is referring to.

Well, whatever the case, I am fairly confident that a one-shot ability points to one of the rings.

I'm a stickler for the host's rules when I remember them, and I'm in the I think unique situation where my role and my character actively relates to one another, meaning if either one is revealed the other is instantly obvious to the experienced player. That being so I have avoided everything related to it just out of honor and because revealing it literally could give my role to the scum, rendering it useless on some levels. If you would like me to hint at my role I will, but I have avoided doing so thus far.

I am more useful alive than dead, and without revealing it.

I shall neither confirm nor deny your brilliant theories about rings.

Ogun did not participate in D1 discussions, jumped in D2 to avoid inactivity lynch by joining a confirmed Michi lynch and there is something about the following quote that is part confusing, part amusing and part suspicious in his explanation to vote against Michi within a convoluted expository defence of Vro and TGN

Did you read my most previous post, I think I clarified everything as I went through over 20 pages of text, this is my second time playing but I think you should read my post above, if that isn't town lean, I don't know what to tell you

Furthermore, in his latest post defending himself, there is a weird inclusion to defend TGN even though there isn't really a wagon against him right now. And a lack of voting does not indicate a lack of desire to join bandwagon, it's a contorted link.

Being more willing to accuse someone and then proceed to have your arguments destroyed often makes you more sus. That is probably one of the factors to why TGN is being seen as scum, and the point that he is pretending to be an inexperienced and careless player is interesting to say the least. I think that is also one of my mistakes from not voting in round 1, though I could argue it shows that I try to avoid jumping the bandwagon.

And no, getting rid of a major player like Lau is not necessarily to the advantage of the Wolves. Our constant confusion over the lack of deaths and consequently lack of signs have led to admittedly unproductive discussions, besides finding out and killing off an unaligned. Killing off Lau, the perceived Town Leader, would secure his following as Town Core and that voting bloc can start voting off the rest.

But since I'm being accused, lets think like scum.  I am sure this may backfire but why not. If I was scum, I think the best thing scum would do would be to take out one of the major players that have been confirmed to be town, which would be Lau, and maybe someone like Hapi or Gerrick?

I agree with your stance here. As soon as I flip, that's 2 more people who will be permanently added to the lock-town.

Ogun, therefore, might be a good counter-wagon, or even main wagon today.

As it is, I don't think there's only a singular town leader any more. Sapph and Minish have become leaders too. At this point, if any one of us get flipped, the rest of that bloc will either be cleared, or very suspicious, depending on if we flip red or green.

On balance, I think it is very likely that all the town leaders are actually town. It would be a very high risk strategy to bring your scum team in so closely to you.

This ring thing with Vro convinced me more that he's scum

It's getting rather close to EoD, I should probably vote now.
Vote: Michi

Many of the players I town-read are voting Michi, so I trust their judgement on top of my own. As Wisch pointed out, there are also a bunch of mechanical reasons.

Also - I'm running out of time and I prefer to stay alive 

Who are the players you're Town reading?

My town reads who voted Michi:

- Laurentus: Laurentus seems to have an aggressive playstyle, more aggressive than I would expect from a wolf. People who have played with them have also said that the style seems normal for their town-meta. AFAIK he has also been mechanically cleared by BSR.
- Wischland: I've only played with Wischland as town, but the way that she is currently acting and her post style pretty much sums up what I'd expect from her.
- Doc: Doc seems to come with good, logical arguments every now and then. They seem like town lean to me.
- Sapphiron: Sapphiron has cleared Hapi and Wintermoot, if I understand correctly? I can't really see a wolf clearing two people mechanically, especially if they are the same team.
- Wintermoot: Wintermoot is here solely because they are cleared and haven't done anything overly suspicious to make me think differently of them.

It's a bit hard to make reads on a bunch of people you don't know, so I could very well be wrong, but this is what made sense to me.

The 4 scum may be -
Wille-Harlia
Flying
Human
ENE

I find this scum team a bit... weird. It seems highly unlikely to me. What are the odds that the scum are all XKI'ers?
I have to admit, XKI Werewolf is slower and the reason why we're this inactive is partially because it's hard to follow 55 pages of posts, but also because we never really post as much. As Wisch pointed out, I myself only post around twice per day phase. The reason I didn't post day 1 was because I was rather confused and overwhelmed to say the least (I'm not that practiced at forum WW). I wasn't used to the Random Voting Stage either and I didn't want to wagon (which I ended up doing day 2 instead, because we only have one no-lynch throughout the game  ).
Back to the point, I will not dismiss this scum list, but realistically it's only 1 or 2 of those players as wolf. I know why Vro and many others are mainly scum reading XKI'ers, since our regular, "inactive" playstyle very much borders the inactive scum meta of Wintreath.

Actually, and this not to tinfoil, but with the rules being what they are, there is very little preventing Wolves from adopting the same strategy as the Town leaders, and adding their scum buds into their Town Cores one at a time every other night phase. Any player can make any statement, say 'mechanically cleared' and you'd have very little reason to disagree. It's a risky strategy, sure, but I would expect at least one Wolf to try if the going got tough.

Huh. Interesting thing I'm picking up: I am almost certain that whatever Minish and Doc are, they are not a team. At the end of D2, when I wanted to drop a few votes somewhere to get them off Vro, he just told me to drop it on Dawcreek, who is the person Minish subbed in for. Sure, he had reason to believe that Dawcreek was just going to get modkilled, but that would still have gone a long way to getting a few clears from anyone who took him up on the offer if Dawcreek ended up being a Wolf. Seems like you want as few people cleared as possible, when you're a Wolf.

Anyway, I am currently working on a graph which showcases how often the players of the game have mentioned, addressed or spoken about other players, by post count. My hope is that this will help us see who might be trying to avoid each other and who might be a bit too chummy.

"Obviously, if the resuscitator and Dawsinian were both wolves, I could see why Dawsinian would get resuscitated. But for a townie resuscitator to go against the vote of the town and resuscitate Dawsinian. That seems somewhat less likely."

From @Flying Eagles. I'm quoting this from that print view. It's Flying Eagles' first post of D2, I think.

How do we rate the odds that this is a derp-clear? @Sapphiron and @Minish especially, I would like you to weigh in.

Oh, right additional context: Flying Eagles didn't know the fact that Daws flipped green meant that he was Town.

Additional two quotes with a similar theme, although the derp is not as strong:

Yeah, I'm not really sure about Vro but now that I think about it, the whole Hapi-Michi joined at the hip thing has been concerning. I swear I saw Red Mones state somewhere that there are 16 townies but I can't find that post anymore.

Anyway, I must conclude that there's a solid chance at least one of them are wolves.

Change vote: Michi"

and

"1) Myself, Daws
2) TGN, turtle
3) Hapi, Sapph, Lau
4) Others
5) Not really sure to be honest, haven't had the time to follow closely enough.
6) None
7) None

Is Michi dead? I'm really confused here."