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Oop. Here I am re-reading through previous XKI WW games to try and gain more insight on Flying Eagles, WH, and ENE, and I look up and Hapi's voted for me.

Ok, um. Let me respond to that first. I'll refocus afterwards and try to provide some more thoughts on other people since that's apparently what y'all want from me.

So first things first: Have I been helpful?
Guess it depends on how you look at it. I certainly haven't done any of the in-depth analysis and argumentation like the more active players, but I also honestly don't have anything to say in regards to that sort of thing. You guys are far better and more experienced at analyzing one another than I am, so I contribute where I can, which is in providing information on XKI players. If I did want to try and analyze, all I would really be doing is repeating other people's points, which is something you, apparently, also find suspicious Hapi. So rather than trying analyze and filling up this thread with unhelpful or repetitive arguments, I've stuck to contributing on things I actually do know about.

As for my reads list being similar to other people's. Well sure, because I trust the opinions of people like Lau, so when they say someone is town, I'm inclined to agree, and model my thoughts after that. If I read an argument that I think is logical and correct, I won't refute it just to be different. And I did try to provide plenty of reasoning in my reads list to demonstrate where my thoughts are coming from, including stating that I placed people where they are due to trusting those I considered town.

And finally my votes. Out of all of them, my D1 vote definitely comes across as the strangest to most people, so I'll ask that you look at it as if I was a wolf. Were that the case, Daws getting lynched would've been good, since he's town. They already had a majority and was going to be lynched even if I hadn't voted. Doing a last minute vote only draws attention as a weird move, for exactly the reasons you're saying Hapi, and is at complete odds with what I would have wanted as a wolf. And yet I still decided to vote, because y'all were so adamant about the importance of lynching on the first day, and to help start voting records. I'll admit my reasoning for voting for Daws specifically was crap and basically just a bandwagon, but it really was an attempt to take part in the game on Wintreath's terms.

Anyway, I hope that's satisfying as a defense. Now give me a sec to type up another post with thoughts on other stuff.

ogunbiyi6422 - I'm convinced Ogun is scum the more I think about it. I'm not sure how many games they've played or not but their justification for why they are a town lean was not good. They could be playing quiet because we've been so focused on the wrong targets and I've just...its a gut feeling I have no reason to think this way mechanically I've never played with ogun but this just scares me. Scum.

I apologize for scaring you 
I think as I go through the posts the more people are certain I'm scum, so I think me responding should be seen as being defensive but simply trying to explain why I'm not "scum."

I've never really played a game of Werewolf this long as the first game I believe I was killed off or something of the sort. Because of that, in addition to the fact that I am not on this thread for a long part of the day, lots of posts go by and I find it hard to jump into the conversation, especially when we get to the

But since I'm being accused, lets think like scum.  I am sure this may backfire but why not. If I was scum, I think the best thing scum would do would be to take out one of the major players that have been confirmed to be town, which would be Lau, and maybe someone like Hapi or Gerrick? Right? I think that makes sense, considering thats how I would play as an imposter in Among Us (I unfortunately had to use an Among Us reference as that is the closest thing I have to experience in this type of game). I am almost certain that because of that, either the wolf is an another inactive, or that their kill was blocked by another character, simply because it is not in their best interest to continue to have a large majority of players, especially ones that are either investigators or have a lot of experience. Though to argue against that having no kill also makes the investigating much harder, causing us to look for alternatives and possible scums, like myself, which could help the wolf, especially if the wolf is Vro, who has been accused basically throughout the game, and this could help throw us off their scent.

I think that while I may not be posting I have been keeping up to date with most or all the posts, which can be seen from my previous post, while other "inactives" have not done that.

I try to think that I tend to try to be a more careful player, lurking in the shadows and reading people's posts, though that often backfires, like now. Being more willing to accuse someone and then proceed to have your arguments destroyed often makes you more sus. That is probably one of the factors to why TGN is being seen as scum, and the point that he is pretending to be an inexperienced and careless player is interesting to say the least. I think that is also one of my mistakes from not voting in round 1, though I could argue it shows that I try to avoid jumping the bandwagon.

And to Lau, the (fish) soup given to you from who I suppose is Eowyn is from a deleted scene in the movie Lord of the Rings, though I believe it was mentioned in the books.

My voting for Michi should not be really suspicious in that what is the point of people posting long blocks of text if I don't believe them? I don't know why that should be suspicious, I think the reason for them posting their reasoning is too see why they are right, and when I think that, it is only logical for me to cast a similar vote.

Yes, this is a very defensive text, but I think that this was necessary since I think people needed to hear me, and also probably wanted/needed to hear from me. Whether this changes their mind or affirms their suspicions (though I hope it is the former that is true), will be seen in the coming hours.

Thank you

I've never really played a game of Werewolf this long as the first game I believe I was killed off or something of the sort. Because of that, in addition to the fact that I am not on this thread for a long part of the day, lots of posts go by and I find it hard to jump into the conversation, especially when we get to the

The long riveting back and forth between Lau and Vro

As I mentioned, I've been rereading XKI WW games to try to spot anything helpful for this game. Please remember that most of the analyses I'll be making in my next few posts are based off a pretty limited data set of just a few games, so by no means let my impressions override any content/logic based arguments you may have on these people.

Unfortunately out of all the games I've played in, the only XKI player who was scum was Wille-Harlia for a brief period in this game https://10000islands.proboards.com/thread/39307/ww69-red-court-war at the end when he switched from town to scum. At the time of playing I didn't notice a shift in playstyle (it was also my first game though so eh) and looking back the only thing I'm really noticing is that WH seemed to get quieter and make less substantial posts as scum versus as town. Other than that, the only other point of reference I have is to a resistance game (https://10000islands.proboards.com/thread/39347/resistance-olympics-version-game-thread) where he was a spy. Obviously a different game, but I think the same thing applies, where he seemed to trend towards making just a few 1-2 sentence posts. (Side note: I was also a spy in that game, so read away if you wanna try and determine my possible scum style.) Overall, I feel like as town WH posts more frequently than he is here, but with posts about the same length as the one he made here https://wintreath.com/forums/index.php?topic=6948.msg153953#msg153953. Overall, I don't get scum vibes based purely on his posts, but he also hasn't given us a ton to work with that'll prove he's town.

Now onto Flying Eagles. I have not seen FE play as scum before but the style and content of his posts here seems very similar to how he played as town in a previous game (https://10000islands.proboards.com/thread/39947/ww70-sea). The closest reference point to his scum style is when he was a spy in another resistance game (https://10000islands.proboards.com/thread/39244/resistance-olympics-version-game-thread) where his posts tended to be longer, more cohesive, and less frequent. Based on posting style, I would cautiously put FE as town.

As for Eastern New England...
Well, tough call. ENE has barely said anything, and while he is normally pretty quiet, I'd guesstimate him at about 2 posts per day phase (including when he votes) in our normal WW games as town. I've looked back through game's in which ENE played that I hadn't as well. He was neutral in one (https://10000islands.proboards.com/thread/39158/ww67-jon-snow-nights-watch) with similar activity levels. I have no references for how ENE plays as scum, so I really can't make any calls in regards to that.

And finally HumanSanity. I dug back through XKI's WW archives and the most recent relevant game for HS was from late 2019 (https://10000islands.proboards.com/thread/37771/ww64-chaos-carnival-game-thread). I have never played WW with HS, but just from reading back through that thread, he was much more active and prone to making logical, argumentative posts as town. Of course, HS also wasn't delegate then and had less on his plate, and the game was far less busy, so not sure if the change in play style is really indicative of anything. I found no semi-recent game in which HS was scum.

And that's a more in-depth look at my fellow members of XKI. Hopefully my judgements were helpful, or at the very least the links I included might prove relevant.

Now onto Flying Eagles. I have not seen FE play as scum before but the style and content of his posts here seems very similar to how he played as town in a previous game (https://10000islands.proboards.com/thread/39947/ww70-sea). The closest reference point to his scum style is when he was a spy in another resistance game (https://10000islands.proboards.com/thread/39244/resistance-olympics-version-game-thread) where his posts tended to be longer, more cohesive, and less frequent. Based on posting style, I would cautiously put FE as town.

I lightly skimmed through the Flying games, and I'm not sure Wisch. I feel like his posts as town in the WW game were both longer, more logical, and covered more people (taking a look at page 5 in particular). I also thought his spy game was interesting in that he posted enough to contribute but left most of the talking to Tuga the spy, who seemed to be leading the discussion for the most part. I don't know how closely this relates to now, but to me he definitely seems more like he's posting to contribute and letting us squable. This may just be his confusion factoring into being in a new environment with newer people, but I actually think his posts align more with his spy game than his townie game.
I haven't checked out Willie's/ENE's yet, the different forum look is throwing me off so much >.<, but I'll take a look at them later.

I lightly skimmed through the Flying games, and I'm not sure Wisch. I feel like his posts as town in the WW game were both longer, more logical, and covered more people (taking a look at page 5 in particular). I also thought his spy game was interesting in that he posted enough to contribute but left most of the talking to Tuga the spy, who seemed to be leading the discussion for the most part. I don't know how closely this relates to now, but to me he definitely seems more like he's posting to contribute and letting us squable. This may just be his confusion factoring into being in a new environment with newer people, but I actually think his posts align more with his spy game than his townie game.

You think? Maybe I'm just biased cause I'm used to FE being town. Let me reread them and get back to you.

I smell trouble and A LOT of activity REAL soon.

Alright, I've reread and reassessed. I agree with you in regards to posting style Vro. I feel like FE's posts as spy in resistances are more poetic, if that makes sense. Like he uses more words to say little, whereas in the WW game as town he covers more topics with less words, so although his posts were technically longer and more logical, because they covered a wider breadth they felt shorter than his wordier spy posts. Which I guess is why his WW posts felt less cohesive when I was working on memory and skimming the threads.

But I'm not sure if that carries over to this game. FE's posts haven't really gained any traction nor do the arguments seem to align with anyone player. The only thing I'm seeing is that he voted for you, Vro, after Lau did, and when Lau switched to Michi, so did FE. But FE also targeted Lau earlier, without much success. So maybe Lau is really the genius mastermind and has fooled us all. Or maybe FE is just making questionable posts because he's not really sure what's happening and doesn't have the same time to consider things as he did in the XKI WW game.

Well I'm going to keep trying to analyze this nonsense. Maybe I'll come up with something better.

Hmm, actually, good point, I think I saw a hint, but let's make sure: @Sapphiron, Hapi cleared because of mechanics, yay or nay?

Yay

But I'm not sure if that carries over to this game. FE's posts haven't really gained any traction nor do the arguments seem to align with anyone player. The only thing I'm seeing is that he voted for you, Vro, after Lau did, and when Lau switched to Michi, so did FE. But FE also targeted Lau earlier, without much success. So maybe Lau is really the genius mastermind and has fooled us all. Or maybe FE is just making questionable posts because he's not really sure what's happening and doesn't have the same time to consider things as he did in the XKI WW game.

Well I'm going to keep trying to analyze this nonsense. Maybe I'll come up with something better.

I can see how you might equate Lau to Tuga especially since I didn't specify what I meant, but I'm not. I really really don't think it's Lau at this point just based on how he's posting, and with how BSR is saying that he has mechanically cleared Lau it really doesn't seem to be an option at all. :p That's one of the scummiest things you've said this game to me, though I suppose a wolf would be more likely to remember who's clearing who.

I think based on the parallels and dissimilarities in posting style that Flying is now suspicious enough to be properly wagoned. If you follow with my theory that at least most of the wolves are much more inactive, it would make sense that Flying would follow along with the game without a very clear mastermind such as the likes of Lau,  enough to merge into the background and coming up here and there to jump on a suspicion or thought someone has already stated. (If you ISO all his posts by clicking on his profile and "show posts" you might see what I mean.)

@Minish if you're not willing to go for Willie (hehe), would you be alright with a Flying vote as opposed to ENE and ogun? I'm fine with letting Willie go since the town is so split :/ I'm aware that my suspicious nature will make people unlikely to join my Willie wagon, and we need to set up someone along with me. If I'm wrong and Flying really is too wolfie to be a wolf, I will be unhappy but at least it will remove one more suspicion from this game.

Thank you for sharing this info with us Wisch, it was quite illuminating.

And thank you Sapph, that is quite interesting.
Hapi, oh Hapi... frankly I've been avoiding responding to your post. Suffice it to say that as a final gambit I can easily make Minish at least aware of my role without breaking any rules if I'm on the line and really want to survive.

I can see how you might equate Lau to Tuga especially since I didn't specify what I meant, but I'm not. I really really don't think it's Lau at this point just based on how he's posting, and with how BSR is saying that he has mechanically cleared Lau it really doesn't seem to be an option at all. :p That's one of the scummiest things you've said this game to me, though I suppose a wolf would be more likely to remember who's clearing who.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I fully agree. I've said several times I trust Lau as town. Saying Lau is the "genius mastermind" was meant more as a joke. I'm funny, I swear.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I fully agree. I've said several times I trust Lau as town. Saying Lau is the "genius mastermind" was meant more as a joke. I'm funny, I swear.

Alright then, my bad. It caught me a little off guard.
Funny? In Werewolf?!?! Bah, HUMBUG!!!