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Yeah, that's... a strong case. @Gerrick, care to comment?

By the way, @Michi, get your ass back in here and comment on everything that's happened.

Well, my first thought was "Where the fuck did that train on Daws come from?"

Gimme a sec and I'll have more to say.

I am not sure why Moot came up with a huge load of hypotheticals and speculations before voting for me, when the only evident reason why I would vote Pengu was that I would rather there be a tie, than a bandwagon against Lau that came from random voting.

In fact I can understand to a certain extent why there’s a sudden train of votes against Daw, which from my perspective is attributable from piling votes without explanation.

Okay, to start things off:

I'm iffy about giving Hapi an all clear on her status because she made quotes and potentially alluded a role.  She could be hinting she's Aragorn (which if that's the case would be considered hinting your role and would technically be against the rules), she could just be doing a usual Hapi thing and spouting quotes.  Likewise, she could also be pulling something we've seen experienced players do in past games where they'll exhibit a tell that would normally make us thing "Oh, they're a townie" but exploiting that as a werewolf to manipulate our way of thinking.

Either way, I'm not completely against the idea of having her scanned and knowing for sure since night action hints are allowed, and we all know how well some players can work with that.

Likewise, the fact that the bandwagon on Daws came literally the fuck out of nowhere and built up in the short time it did makes me think at least one of those on the wagon is a wolf.  Who? I don't entirely know, but I will say Vro's explanation of "Take it as you will" just wasn't doing it for me.

I'm almost 90% sure one or more of our XKI friends is going to be a wolf.  You don't just have 5 people from a region that also plays the game religiously pop over and not have at least one be on the side of the bad guys.  Which of them it'd be, I'm still sitting back and figuring out, but that's where I stand with that.

As for the players in general, Laurentus, TNG, and Wischland are my current town reads.  The bickering between Laurentus and I feels pretty par for the course as his townie plays since we generally tend to have clashing playstyles regardless of what my alignment is.  TNG, I tend to go hard on new players because I'm used to certain tells from past games where someone has generally acted oblivious in some form and turned out to a wolf.  However, I'm willing to give him the derp clear for now because he's a new player and probably really doesn't know the game well.  Likewise, Wischland has made some logical cases for himself to where he's either a really good werewolf, or more likely he's a townie (but I wouldn't be surprised if he suddenly popped out in a werewolf costume either).

Hapi I'm pretty iffy about since the hints technically do go against the "no hints about your role" thing.  However, we do have players here that love throwing out quotes to material they're familiar with at random moments eyes Laurentus, so it could also be that.

However, as I've said before in at least one past game, I'm also on board with the idea of someone manipulating tells to throw us off.  It's completely not unheard of for a player to know what actions they do that make people go "Yeah, they're definitely town." and then use that as a wolf to put themselves in an early clear.  While not being in a lot of games, Hapi's last 2 were pretty intense games...one being the two version of Portal where there were experienced MU players in attendance, and the other being the Summersend game that ended up being quite an entertaining spectacle (not the least of which is because the theme was literally trees versus lumberjacks).

Vro, I'm still a bit unsure about, but I'm leaning more scum with him.  As I mentioned, the whole "Take it as you will" random vote for Daws (or it at least felt a bit random) threw me off a bit, and I don't know how to feel about that.  Gerrick at least provided reasoning for it (he was adding to the tie-game), and the Vro came out of nowhere with an added vote, coincidentally pushing it to a 3-2-2-1-1-1-1-1 with basically no explanation at the time instead of padding out another singular vote for a bigger tie.  And then him throwing out names at the time with no explanation after being the one to break the tie with his no reasoning just really rubbed me the wrong way like he was trying to set up the next two candidates for us to argue over in the next phase.

Gerrick, I'm pretty much on the fence overall.  Yeah, his vote on Daws kinda just appeared and on the surface was to keep the tie, but BSR also just randomly voted for Daws because RNG.  But for both of them this is also pretty normal behavior as well for a day 1 play, so I'm not entirely convinced there was anything nefarious.

Everyone else really didn't catch my attention much when perusing the thread, so I really don't have a good read...especially on the inactive ones, even though Dawcreek has been pretty lurky and not active on the forums since the 28th, and I know he was stressing hardcore with Spyfall...so it wouldn't entirely surprise me if it was channeling itself here too.

As for my own popping in and out, I've been trying to keep myself pretty busy with Rona seeming like it wants to continually dash any of my plans to have a life offline.  So I've been immersing myself more in region work and outer-region stuff, as well as giving my own server a complete facelift and starting that over, which Hapi can vouch for that one.  I joined this game because I want to support Mone's first game as Thane (and overall, really), and I'll really try to be more active, but I also have a few other plates I'm juggling as well to keep from going stir crazy from being inside pretty much all the time.

And yeah I realize that post was probably a bit of a mess (especially the unclosed italics which was supposed to only encompass the word "especially), but it's also 4:20 AM and I'm tired.  D:<

Me do chaotic things for chaos sake and be impossible to read? No neber neber eber

Okay, so I am noticing something, but I don't know if it's safe to talk about. Doc, is what I think might be happening, actually happening? (If you are confused by this, then probably not).

Also, @Doc.

Sorry for going quiet for a while; my internet's been real spotty for the last 24 hours or so, so I've been largely limited to my phone (a place I despise making Big Huge posts, especially because formatting is a huge pain on a phone keyboard, so I've just been being avoidant, which isn't at all helped by a shitload of posts coming in over the same period of time).
What I'm getting the sense of is a pretty big town-eat-town dogpile here, and what that tells me is that rather than drilling down on the two people driving most of the activity (and who seem to also be trying to eat each other, i.e. Lau and Vro), we're going to be much better suited to focusing in on people on the periphery who can be looking to drive a mislynch or two in the coming days off of this heat. That, to me, says Michi, Hapi, and Gerrick for the moment.

There's a lot of silence from a lot of corners, but I'm guessing that's 1 part inexperience for some, 1 part culture shock for others, and about 10 parts 'oh my god there's so many posts' information-overload-driven avoidance in the remainder. That said, I'd like to hear more from Moot and BSR, and I'd especially like to hear more from our other TKI guests; Wischland has been putting in work and giving out valuable insights, but I'm always suspicious of the distinct possibility that they're the TKI wolf (or one of them? but 5/20 is 1/4 and that's as good an assumption to make as any right now), and using poison-pill half-truths to keep all of us going 'mm yes that's correct' and lead us in self-eating Ouroboros circles. No actual suspicion yet, but I'd really like to hear any TKIer be able to back up what they have to say.
Turtle and TGN I'd also like to hear more from; they're new to our games of Werewolf, but Turtle at least I have some vague sort of sense of from Among Us that one time.

Right now, the only person I'm reasonably convinced about being town (instead of just town-leaning, which is where I think TGN, Lau and Vro all fit) is Sapphiron. His reasoning holds up for me, probably mostly because if I'd been around to change up my vote I'd likely have done much the same thing - try and push for a tie and let RNGesus swing the axe.

Okay, so I am noticing something, but I don't know if it's safe to talk about. Doc, is what I think might be happening, actually happening? (If you are confused by this, then probably not).

I'm confused by this.
Unless what you were implying might be happening was what I said above, in which case, uh, no, not confused at all, I totally knew what you were talking about the whole time, totally, for sure.

Goddammit. Okay, I'll explain what I thought might be happening post-game, then.

Why is Sapph town for you?

I see I should explain myself better. I had voted for Gerrick specifically to get him to talk more and explain himself for his first vote. No one else saw the need or validity to vote for him, so my vote was basically a useless vote at that point for someone who had answered what I wanted them to.

Laurentus is currently tied with Michi right now. Seeing as how I'd rather he not be killed off just yet (explained above), I'll change my vote to help offset that. I could change it to either Dawsinian, Hapi, Doc, or TGN to give them a three-way tie or to Michi to put him in the majority... I don't find Michi suspicious enough to go out on a limb to do that, so I suppose I'll change my vote to the one of the four I find most suspicious (mostly because he has made posts but nothing of real use).

Change Vote: Dawsinian

When I called his analysis fair I was talking about this bit ^. At that point the "main" wagons were still Lau and Michi, Lau is just acting too similar to the last game we played where he was town and hammering me in the way I expected him to that there was no way I was letting him get lynched D1. As for Michi, I just wasn't completely reading scum in his posts, and I myself had noticed he was less active which didn't coincide with the game I played as WW with him. I may be taking time to reconsider but as it stood I wasn't feeling like lynching him either. When a new wgon appeared tying all three, the player I felt least convinced about was Daws. I don't think I'm in the least popular opinion to say that of those three Daws was the best choice to lynch. It would have taken off Lau specifically and Michi as an option and would have given me information if nothing else, possibly lynching a lurking wolf. That sounded like the best odds to me.

My "take it as you will" and my later unadvised comments about what I thought about Moot and Wisch were unfortunately motivated from adrenaline from the constant sparring with Lau over the day, I was a bit annoyed with him at that point and wasn't feeling in the particular charitable mood to do him any favors in what I said, and Moot's post just rubbed me wrong. I must mention that I'm not placing any value on Wisch for voting with me, I just liked their logic and the way their posts have been reading so far, it's been making me feel good.

Oviously there are a lot of posts both of my own and of others that I need to review.

Wait a minute, I'm sus because I changed my vote to balance out a three way tie and then not changing it when somebody made my vote a majority?

What if I had changed my vote to somebody else, and then Dawsinian was town? I'm now sus since it looks like I knew he was town and I didn't want to be a nail in his coffin to make me look innocent.

What if I had changed my vote to somebody else, and then Dawsinian was scum? I'm now sus since it looks like I didn't want to accidentally kill a fellow wolf.

Damned if I do, damned if I don't. That's why I don't change votes if others decide to make them into bandwagons.

Besides, why would I be more suspicious than Vro who made my vote a majority?

Doesn't make sense.

@Princess Hapi do you want me to edit that long post and fix the quotes?

Wait a minute, I'm sus because I changed my vote to balance out a three way tie and then not changing it when somebody made my vote a majority?

What if I had changed my vote to somebody else, and then Dawsinian was town? I'm now sus since it looks like I knew he was town and I didn't want to be a nail in his coffin to make me look innocent.

What if I had changed my vote to somebody else, and then Dawsinian was scum? I'm now sus since it looks like I didn't want to accidentally kill a fellow wolf.

Damned if I do, damned if I don't. That's why I don't change votes if others decide to make them into bandwagons.

Besides, why would I be more suspicious than Vro who made my vote a majority?

Doesn't make sense.

What is your reads list?