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Okay, then. @Wintermoot, you stated here that Vro voted the same way as you did, when he really did not, and @Vroendal, you never corrected this, even as Moot repeated this strange stance later. What gives with both of you?

I assume that he was talking about Wischland, no?

I'm confused, please elaborate.

Yeah, Wischland voted the same way that Vroendal did.

I had said that I felt good about Wischland, Moot was referring to that comment made by me, sarcastically implying that ofc I would feel good about someone voting the same way as me.

Oh, never mind, I am being a dumb. You're right, Vro, Moot is talking about Wischland.

Okay, I'm out. It's late and I'm not seeing things clearly anymore.

My closing thoughts are that town may have done this all to itself, and I'm gonna try and get rid of all bias and look at the whole thread again tomorrow.

OK. Going to summarize my thoughts here. I have played with Wischland multiple times in XKI, and the way that they have been playing so far here is how they usually play, and along with their first substantial post, I am convinced that they are Town. I missed most of the conversation after my first post, but here's what I make of it. I hear that Princess Hapi tends to hint at her role, but given the sheer number of references to LoTR before she posted, and then the fact she then proceeded to post memorable (at least to me) Aragorn quotes seems a bit . . . off to me. Despite Gerrick's reasoning, I am still a little bit suspicious of him given the way in which he faded away after he voted. Besides that, I can only offer speculation.

My reputation proceeds me around here but to those who have never played with me I'm sure I seem rather sus.

None knows what the new day shall bring him.

Maybe Doc was right and killing me is the safe play but my sword still stands with you. I don't have much to say it seems like a civil war within the fellowship. Were I Sauron I'd revel in the town vs town.

I do think Pengu is a member of the fellowship. His defensive nature here doesn't strike me too dissimilar to how I've seen him play before as town when accused for seemingly nothing.

I'm mildly wary of Lau. He takes over games and I'm aware enough of his play to know that he can NEVER be trusted even if your on his side. Usually he'd try to push his target to death no matter what and he did that to a point but not what I'm used to seeing but right now he's too stronk an asset for me to commit too.

I think a lot of what we saw was town vs town but I hate trying to read day 1 plays.

I'm sus on Wintermoot, Vro and Gerrick most of all based on how yesterday played out.

Vro's defense of me isn't that weird because I think Vro really easily has the best knowledge of my playstyle.

I'll leave you with this
An hour of wolves and shatterd shields when the age of men comes crashing down may one day come, but it is not this day, this day WE FIGHT!

It looks like this is going to be a very active game.

According to the data I just put together, the median number of posts in a Wintreath Werewolf game is 209, yet we have 171 right now just from the first day! It's already looking to me like this will probably end up in the top 5 most active games.

My reputation proceeds me around here but to those who have never played with me I'm sure I seem rather sus.

None knows what the new day shall bring him.

Maybe Doc was right and killing me is the safe play but my sword still stands with you. I don't have much to say it seems like a civil war within the fellowship. Were I Sauron I'd revel in the town vs town.

I do think Pengu is a member of the fellowship. His defensive nature here doesn't strike me too dissimilar to how I've seen him play before as town when accused for seemingly nothing.

I'm mildly wary of Lau. He takes over games and I'm aware enough of his play to know that he can NEVER be trusted even if your on his side. Usually he'd try to push his target to death no matter what and he did that to a point but not what I'm used to seeing but right now he's too stronk an asset for me to commit too.

I think a lot of what we saw was town vs town but I hate trying to read day 1 plays.

I'm sus on Wintermoot, Vro and Gerrick most of all based on how yesterday played out.

Vro's defense of me isn't that weird because I think Vro really easily has the best knowledge of my playstyle.

I'll leave you with this
An hour of wolves and shatterd shields when the age of men comes crashing down may one day come, but it is not this day, this day WE FIGHT!

Why are you sus on Moot, Vro and Gerrick?

It looks like this is going to be a very active game.

According to the data I just put together, the median number of posts in a Wintreath Werewolf game is 209, yet we have 171 right now just from the first day! It's already looking to me like this will probably end up in the top 5 most active games.

So... what I'm hearing is that me and Lau need to argue more.
Seriously though, I am very happy hearing that.
However, it makes it all the more noticeable that despite the high activity level, there are some who've been rather silent. I would like to hear from @HumanSanity on your thoughts. Also, I am eagerly awaiting the inevitable post from Doc about everything.

My reputation proceeds me around here but to those who have never played with me I'm sure I seem rather sus.

None knows what the new day shall bring him.

Maybe Doc was right and killing me is the safe play but my sword still stands with you. I don't have much to say it seems like a civil war within the fellowship. Were I Sauron I'd revel in the town vs town.

I do think Pengu is a member of the fellowship. His defensive nature here doesn't strike me too dissimilar to how I've seen him play before as town when accused for seemingly nothing.

I'm mildly wary of Lau. He takes over games and I'm aware enough of his play to know that he can NEVER be trusted even if your on his side. Usually he'd try to push his target to death no matter what and he did that to a point but not what I'm used to seeing but right now he's too stronk an asset for me to commit too.

I think a lot of what we saw was town vs town but I hate trying to read day 1 plays.

I'm sus on Wintermoot, Vro and Gerrick most of all based on how yesterday played out.

Vro's defense of me isn't that weird because I think Vro really easily has the best knowledge of my playstyle.

I'll leave you with this
An hour of wolves and shatterd shields when the age of men comes crashing down may one day come, but it is not this day, this day WE FIGHT!

Why are you sus on Moot, Vro and Gerrick?

Vote shenanigans and their reasoning for it. But again I hate reading day 1

Okay, but explain your thought process. What about their votes and reasons?

Reminder that there are only about 12 hours left in this phase. Please send me your night actions!

As I say literally every game, I'm gonna vote for someone on Day 1 no matter what. Votes are the most efficient reaction tests and so the best way to get leads on wolves. And so my first votes on D1 are usually random with a joke reasoning.

And I am in general terrible at reading people in Werewolf. I'm better at noticing trends in actions/votes rather than what my gut says. This puts me at a disadvantage in the beginning, but regardless, I'll give my thoughts so far.

I'm particularly terrible at reading Laurentus, but I will always think it's better for him to be in the game than not as he drives activity, which (whether intentional or not) tends to cause the wolves to show themselves. He's admitted to not being a good wolf, so if anything he's a liability to them and an asset to us -- better to keep him on.

Vroendal is the second most active person this game, which doesn't seem the norm for him, although from what I remember he does tend to be rather active. I'm tending to agree with him about Hapi here. Her "hints" seem to be heavier than usual, but they seem to be hints nonetheless, which is making me lean towards town with her (keyword: lean).

Michi is slightly leaning wolf with his accusations against The Greenlandic North, who is obviously very green (see what I did there? ). And then has disappeared since then.

Doc is a little quiet, which is slightly concerning, but it's still too early for that to mean much. Plus, others are driving discussions, so he doesn't really need to.

Besides Wischland's observations (prompted by Laurentus), the other XKIers are much too quiet for my liking, having not made any votes nor said much of any use. I'll chalk this up to being on a different region's forums and not being used to our way of playing. But chances are that one of them is a wolf -- and I'm gonna say more than likely that two are.

Nobody else has done enough to make me think one way or the other, although Ogunbiyi is the only non-new Wintreanr who has not voted, which is casting suspicion on him in my eyes.

Laurentus is currently tied with Michi right now. Seeing as how I'd rather he not be killed off just yet (explained above), I'll change my vote to help offset that. I could change it to either Dawsinian, Hapi, Doc, or TGN to give them a three-way tie or to Michi to put him in the majority... I don't find Michi suspicious enough to go out on a limb to do that, so I suppose I'll change my vote to the one of the four I find most suspicious (mostly because he has made posts but nothing of real use).

Change Vote: Dawsinian

Honestly I find this most sus of all. Gerrick changed his vote so as not to push either of Michi or Lau over the edge which started the EoD wagon on Daws a player chosen for essentially being too quiet in a game full of players who are quiet.  It seems sus to me what seems more sus is that Gerrick called out Doc for being too quiet didn't even mention Daws in the analysis post than voted Daws and didn't back off that vote when the wagon started and I see zero reason why Daws was suspicious anymore or less than any of the other quieter players in this game.

Okay, yeah, I've become really paranoid. This is Werewolf at its finest. I'm going to take a break and come back to look at everything again a bit later, because right now, everyone looks sus to me.

Hey Lau, I apologize if this gives you a headache. :p
Vote: Dawsinian
Take it how you will. :3

Thank you for responding Gerrick, I see your rationale.
Out of everyone up there I feel most comfortable voting Daws. I don't really have a good reason, I think Gerrick's analysis is fair. I would rather he goes instead of the others.

This is sus to me because a last second flip that helped seal Daws fate using Gerricks reason as the basis when I don't see Gerricks reasoning as anything less than flimsy at best.

Wow, a lot has happened in the last day or so.

I wanted to wait to vote because I don't believe a wolf would draw undue attention to themselves in the first round. I think they're more likely to vote at some point, try to get lost in the shuffle, and let the villagers duke it out among themselves. However, a unique opportunity opened up for the wolves when Laurentus and Michi voted for each other...both are strong players, and both would be big losses for the villagers if they're on that side.

Them voting for each other isn't necessarily suspicious in and of itself on the first round, but then Dawsinian and Sapphiron in short order pile onto those votes with no good explanation and no reconsideration as 9 pages of thoughts and information piled up, even though they've both made other posts since then. Sounds a lot like trying to get lost in the shuffle to me. But that raises the question of who is working with who?

The most obvious answer would be that Laurentus and Sapphiron are working together. Laurentus did make the first vote against Michi, and it also happens to be the vote that The Greenlandic North attached himself to on the next page. But it also seems kinda obvious and risky. If this held true and Michi was revealed as town, then at least 2 of the 4 wolves are under suspicion right out the gate.

Or it could be Michi and Dawsinian. What better way to get rid of someone than claiming self-defense? If Laurentus were voted off and revealed as town, many people probably wouldn't think anything of it cause he did make the first vote, and voting back is just retaliation, right? But again, that could still backfire, and you again have 2 of 4 wolves under suspicion so early in the game.

I think the more likely scenario at this point is that Laurentus and Michi are both town, Laurentus made his vote cause that's just what Laurentus does in Werewolf, and it's understandable that Michi would vote back. If they're both town, then what would it matter which one of them got voted off? Why pile everyone on one person right out the gate? If you divide it out, then you don't have a batch of wolves looking suspicious. So maybe Sapphiron and Dawsinian are working together here, a sort of divide and conquer strategy.

But I can only vote for one, so Vote: Sapphiron, because TGN piled on the same person as him in the beginning. I know TGN is a new player, but what if as a new player he thought he was supposed to vote for the same person his fellow wolf was voting for? He only changed his vote because he was coming under such heavy suspicion...he himself says he didn't want to be lynched when he changed it. It's not certain that he initially voted for Michi for that reason, but it's a possibility, which is all we kinda have on the first turn.

Highly speculative of course, but what more can you have on day 1?

@Wintermoot, could you easily program in a feature that lets people see how many posts each person participating in the game has made?

I'm sure it can be done, I'll try to get something like that in during the game at some point, though it may not be immediately.

Sorry for being a bit late to join the game here. As Wischland said, you guys are a lot more vote-happy than we are in XKI. Usually, rather than a Random Voting Phase, we vote No Lynch for the first day, until we have some information for the fear of lynching a town. Seeing that, I am just going to wait and watch until some information presents itself.

We used to do that too, but I think at one point people came to believe that having everyone automatically not lynch gave the wolves too much breathing room and allowed them to make the first move.

This just sounds like a lot of mumbo jumbo to me. But *shrugs* I'm less suspicious of Moot and most suspicious of Gerrick here.

I do not know what strength is in my blood, but I swear to you I will not let the White City fall, nor our people fail.

Is that a satisfactory analysis for you @Laurentus