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Werewolf XXII: Of Cores and... Turrets? (Take 2)
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  • I am going to post a list of who I think is confirmed or almost completely confirmed to be town/ww/non-aligned.


    Town
    1. Laurentus. Definitely the most confirmed town as their clues have been correct every time.
    2. Batman (Me). Confirmed by Laurentus's clue, and my role can be confirmed by Sapphiron and Wintermoot.
    3. Sapphiron. At the time they were added, it would be weird for Ruguo to make a 10 town-5 WW-1 non aligned game, and also is partly confirmed by me.

    Non-aligned/Glitch
    1. Aragonn. They were said to be one by the host.
    2. Madeline Norfolk. Same reasoning as Aragonn

    Werewolf/Turret
    1. Pengu. I am a little more iffy about this one than the others, but I have explained why I think they are WW/ turret



    This leaves 4 spots left for town, 1 for non-aligned, and 1 for turret. If there are any problems with my logic, or my math, just tell me.
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  • I still think that Batman is incredibly suspicious. I also think it's not really Silv's style to have two poisoners in the scum routine, especially considering no one else has died from poison, if Pengu and Red were poisoners then multiple people would have died from poison by now, right? It just does not seem to track to me. Batman, on the other hand, is still incredibly suspicious to me. I'm keeping my vote on him, I strongly think he's scum.
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  • Aren, he's a core. Can you lynch him after the current top suspects? I have a nice Kane wagon here you might be interested in.
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  • Also, saying he's suspicious and not saying why frankly make me suspicious of you.
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  • Very well, I'll vote for Kane but the way that Batman was acting, his strange logic and strange style of play really makes me think something is up with him.
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  • Guys, honestly, be very wary of Sapph if you ever get to LyLo and he's still somehow alive without having lynched at least one more scum. Be very afraid, at that point.
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  • And I'll point out that your logic for thinking Moot must be Town is not great. Sapphiron made a pretty good argument that he's neutral.

    ... Of course, if you think I'm sus, I'm guessing you also don't put much stock in my clue.

    @Sapphiron, this raises a few questions, though. Why did you hint at Batman being suspicious if he did indeed send you a message?

    Sorry, I wasn't thinking straight and saw a few things that made feel susp, but I realize now that you wouldn't be. And my logic about Wintermoot is flawed, I realized. Also, the messages are anonymous, so Sapphiron
    didn't know it was me.
    Lol, good choice, lad, as I'm kinda dying at the end of this phase.

    Why Pengu and not Kane, though?

    It seems pretty straightforward that Pengu is evil, as they were revealed to be poisoner by a pretty confirmed town, and nobody has died from poison for the whole game.

    Your logic is confusing.  Red Mones was the confirmed "evil Poisoner" and was lynched, with Laurentus confirming he was poisoned and is dying this phase.

    If I was also an "evil poisoner" then it'd make no sense why more people weren't dying from poison.

    Some of the logic being pushed is also based on the victim choices when most of the players are Wintreath Werewolf vets and/or were even part of the previous game.  Almost everyone here knows the top players for scum to be wary of, in part because Laurentus will remind everyone in most games who those players are.  You really think players like Moot or Excal or even Barnes wouldn't take note of the fact that Hydra or Tau aren't big scum threats when you have someone pointing it out all the time whenever they get lynched?  Seriously, over time it becomes less of a "members of House Valeria knowing who to take down" type of thing and more of a general scum strategy when you continuously point out that "House Valeria members know to take out so and so because they're threats." Because that explanation is almos becoming a game trope that non Valerians can easily take advantage of.

    But the fact of the matter is, I didn't successfully poison anyone.  I specifically stated that my poison retaliation when protecting someone was purely chance rather than definite (unless Cake is in effect and makes it definite because of the joke of cake making people gassy).  I've only had one successful defense (Laurentus), and unfortunately I didn't get the message that I succesfully hit a scum with poison.

    The logic behind my "successful poison" was because Laurentus' clue was an empty can of Neurotoxin when if anything, that was more than likely just flavor to hint at my being a poisonous gas.

    Overall, I'm a little amazed how this bandwagon even started using past game logic and using the "validity" of my role based on someone elses' ultimatums that I never even suggested on the first place, on top of a clue that could be taken multiple ways anyways.

    All that being said, I'm also surprised people are getting on the Kane bandwagon if he's indeed the Morality Core, since the Morality Core in Portal 1 was what damped GlaDos' evil tendencies to where she couldn't even use her rocket launchers because the Morality Core restricted it.

    Since it was more Laurentus that hinted it with the clue (since the Morality Core is the only one with a purple eye), I'm going to give Kane the benefit of the doubt for now.

    That being said, I'm also going to Vote: Wintermoot because he's a Werewolf vet that would know the ins and outs and who to target to throw off suspicion to himself...and he's been a little less active than he normally is, and that's saying something since he can be quiet, but he's never this quiet.  I'm surprised people are thinking he's neutral when it'd make more sense for Sapph to be the neutral one since he was added after the game had already started.
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  • Batman is the morality core, not Kane.
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  • Batman is the morality core, not Kane.

    Ah, my mistake.  Carry on then.
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  • @Sapphiron, this raises a few questions, though. Why did you hint at Batman being suspicious if he did indeed send you a message
    Because he’s anonymous - Ruguo sent the message in his stead
    And Madeline's gimmick is that she doesn't participate the whole game.
    Just theorising here, is her complete absence really inactivity, or part of gameplay mechanics - perhaps possibly giving Aragonn his double vote powers since the glitch came as a set of 2.
    Guys, honestly, be very wary of Sapph if you ever get to LyLo and he's still somehow alive without having lynched at least one more scum. Be very afraid, at that point.
    Jeez, after I played a more proactive role this game and earnestly seeking out turrets.



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  • That being said, I'm also going to Vote: Wintermoot because he's a Werewolf vet that would know the ins and outs and who to target to throw off suspicion to himself...and he's been a little less active than he normally is, and that's saying something since he can be quiet, but he's never this quiet.  I'm surprised people are thinking he's neutral when it'd make more sense for Sapph to be the neutral one since he was added after the game had already started.
    You know there was already 1 non-aligned stated in the OP before I entered the game. And considering how you are using your understanding of morality core having purple eye, and how it is a town role, why did you deliberately ignore the evidence of the bionic beanie with a companion cube that show perhaps Wintermoot is playing as the non-aligned protagonist
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  • That being said, I'm also going to Vote: Wintermoot because he's a Werewolf vet that would know the ins and outs and who to target to throw off suspicion to himself...and he's been a little less active than he normally is, and that's saying something since he can be quiet, but he's never this quiet.  I'm surprised people are thinking he's neutral when it'd make more sense for Sapph to be the neutral one since he was added after the game had already started.
    You know there was already 1 non-aligned stated in the OP before I entered the game. And considering how you are using your understanding of morality core having purple eye, and how it is a town role, why did you deliberately ignore the evidence of the bionic beanie with a companion cube that show perhaps Wintermoot is playing as the non-aligned protagonist

    I didn't "deliberately ignore it."  I even referenced how it could possibly relate to a turret later on after someone else already suggested such when someone posted the pic of a turret with a hat.

    The reason I was more willing to jump at the Morality Core being true bit is because I've played through Portal and Portal 2's single player countless times and know that the Morality Core is the only purple eyed robotic object.

    However, the Bionic Beanie is a co-op/multiplaye creation that I've never touched, and the only hat reference in single player was about a turret.

    But looking it up, the Bionic Beanie specifically is something that Atlas or PBody wears in Co-Op mode, so it's more likely that the beanie is referencing Wintermoot being one of those roles specifically, meaning he's not as much neutral as he is some kind of good role.

    Remov Vote from Wintermoot

    That being said though, I'm going to go back and look at Kane some more sincr apparently I was mixing him and Batma n up.
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  • Well I see my attempts to defend myself without fully revealing myself have not gone well.

    I will confirm that a role cop is one aspect of my role but I would rather not elaborate on the rest of it.  Unfortunately, my scans have not been very informative.  I think someone role blocked me the last two nights because my scans are not giving any results.  I also forgot to scan on night 1 so I couldn't confirm anything and I can't scan during the daytime.

    That is how my Gerrick scan was inconclusive, because there was literally no results.  Same with my scan of Batma n last night.

    I am really hoping to get the orange gel effect in action but I am doubting I will live that long.

    I agree with the conclusion that Wintermoot is neutral or non aligned but I came to it differently than you all did because I lack the understanding of how hats work in Portal (having never played the games), I just guessed that he is that player because of the flavor text on the night of no kills saying that the turrets didn't kill the target because they looked like a turret.

    Every role claim I have heard does sound plausible to me, but just out of a self preservation instinct (I would rather not do this) I will vote to lynch Pengu.  Despite his role claim sounding quite reasonable to me, I am starting to trust Laurentus and the arguments suggesting Pengu is a turret.  Also I am going to vote to push the button because I remember from my time as a turret that the cake effect was quite dangerous for the cores.  (If I remember correctly it gave scan immunity which would not be a good effect to deal with when trying to find turrets if that turret is here in this game.)

    I am not a turret.  Yes I was a turret in the last game but that does not mean I completely understand how Laurentus would play despite my having read through previous games of Werewolf.  I haven't been able to get much information from my scans because they haven't had results.
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  • Role cop is generally seen as scum.

    You don't "want to" lynch Pengu, his claim seems genuine to you, and yet you lynch him anyway?

    If you believe his claim (which I don't) then he's already successfully defended someone, whereas we have a supposed role blocker who makes your scans worthless. Sounds like you'd objectively be wanting to keep Pengu alive.
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  • For the record, @Imaginative Kane, who was your scan last night?

    @Pengu, why didn't you defend Tau?
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