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You can ask that question of literally every player.

And what the hell are you on about with the whole Kane thing? What do you mean I need to give Kane a chance to explain themselves? I'm voting for Red Mones. How does Kane factor into this?

Trust me, the nicer I am, the more scummy I generally am, too.

You're not going to bait me into revealing my role, wolfie.

You can only make the claim that the host is lying when that has been thoroughly proven.

As Tau mentioned, the Loudmouth is a very real role, and its very real ability is to reveal who visited it and announce this when killed. There is nothing there for the host to manipulate.

This insistence that we should jump to the conclusion that the host is lying is the height of paranoia, and that is something that can only benefit scum.

I'm changing my stance. I'm getting a sense that Silv saying they like to stir chaos is in fact causing chaos, causing us to overlook the truthful statements that are coming through from them.

The best information I have to go off of at the moment is the fact that me saying "Red isn't guilty" is giving me misinformation points. Therefore I should vote for Red.

As much as I dislike Lau's ultimatum attitude, his vocalness is causing him to rack up points, and it makes more sense that they're being given out for his teamwork rather than for misinformation. Plus it's causing him to back off of me

Voting for Silv isn't productive, either, since I'd rather have an outright win for town than a shared win between town and wolves, should that be a victory condition.

You can ask that question of literally every player.

And what the hell are you on about with the whole Kane thing? What do you mean I need to give Kane a chance to explain themselves? I'm voting for Red Mones. How does Kane factor into this?

Trust me, the nicer I am, the more scummy I generally am, too.

You're not going to bait me into revealing my role, wolfie.

You can only make the claim that the host is lying when that has been thoroughly proven.

As Tau mentioned, the Loudmouth is a very real role, and its very real ability is to reveal who visited it and announce this when killed. There is nothing there for the host to manipulate.

This insistence that we should jump to the conclusion that the host is lying is the height of paranoia, and that is something that can only benefit scum.

Yes, I really can, time to start asking...

I don't really care what you think about Kane, that was more for the benefit of other people. You put him on your suspicion list though, so I don't see what's wrong with getting something from him for you.

The problem is, I don't trust you at all.

I'm not asking you to, and your evading again, "wolfie"

I detect hypocrisy, by that logic, you could say that you would need to wait for Red Mones alignment to be thoroughly proven. Are you saying that you completely and implicitly trust the host right now? That seems quite foolish to me.

There is nothing for the host to manipulate? Please... my role last game was manipulated! I don't see why it's so hard to believe that that is something that can occur... Obviously, the simple game mechanics hold true to what we are seeing and have seen, we have no idea about the complex game mechanics. You imply that I'm scum, if you truly believe that, vote me. I don't care, no one else will... Your deflections are laughable. All I want is information, I don't need to trust it, but it brings more to the table. Paranoia? If you aren't paranoid, you're doing something wrong.

I don't have to vote for you. I have clear evidence that Red is scum, so that's where my vote will remain.

And let's use Ockham's Razor. Which is more likely? That the host is lying? Or that a player is lying?

If Red flips Town then that confirms everyone's fear that the host is lying. If he flips scum, well shit, I would appreciate everyone getting serious about this game.

I'm changing my stance. I'm getting a sense that Silv saying they like to stir chaos is in fact causing chaos, causing us to overlook the truthful statements that are coming through from them.

The best information I have to go off of at the moment is the fact that me saying "Red isn't guilty" is giving me misinformation points. Therefore I should vote for Red.

As much as I dislike Lau's ultimatum attitude, his vocalness is causing him to rack up points, and it makes more sense that they're being given out for his teamwork rather than for misinformation. Plus it's causing him to back off of me

Voting for Silv isn't productive, either, since I'd rather have an outright win for town than a shared win between town and wolves, should that be a victory condition.

Probably, but better safe than sorry.

I thought your point was for "Because I don’t believe that’s Hydra’s claim at all. Silv is probably lying to us and passing it off as Hydra’s word to stir controversy." and that was chaotic.

Does it really? ... I don't sense that at all. He is duplicitous and evasive, which could factor in to chaos, but I would be gravely amiss to think that everything he says is true.

It really isn't, I don't think that that will happen, with scum to screw us up. Though I would perhaps want to know what happens once we win.

You're actually right about something. I am putting up an act. I will usually be duplicitous. Even when I'm the Town Seer. As can be seen in this game.

https://wintreath.com/forums/index.php?topic=5615.30

I don't have to vote for you. I have clear evidence that Red is scum, so that's where my vote will remain.

And let's use Ockham's Razor. Which is more likely? That the host is lying? Or that a player is lying?

If Red flips Town then that confirms everyone's fear that the host is lying. If he flips scum, well shit, I would appreciate everyone getting serious about this game.

*You have implications and your own motivations.

Obviously, that a player is lying. Unfortunately for you, that applies to you as well. You're being evasive again... I'm not going to be so naive to think that I know whether everyone I'm told is true or not, and it's better to assume the worst...

No, that would really only hurt you. By Red's own admission he killed Hydra. I would hope that everyone was serious after Hapi was lynched...

You're actually right about something. I am putting up an act. I will usually be duplicitous. Even when I'm the Town Seer. As can be seen in this game.

https://wintreath.com/forums/index.php?topic=5615.30

I'm not surprised. Everyone, including me was surprised about your alignment last game. I am well aware of your quite admirable skills, and it would be gravely amiss of me to assume anything about you other than that I can't trust you until you are proven.

I mean, I know what I am. Whatever I say to you is not going to decrease my suspiciousness level after the shit I pulled last game.

I am giving you a perfect reason to lynch me, though. If Red flips Town, as I said, you can just go ahead and kill me. I'll even quote Monty Python for the entirety of the next day phase while you all murder me.

I don't have to vote for you. I have clear evidence that Red is scum, so that's where my vote will remain.

And let's use Ockham's Razor. Which is more likely? That the host is lying? Or that a player is lying?

If Red flips Town then that confirms everyone's fear that the host is lying. If he flips scum, well shit, I would appreciate everyone getting serious about this game.

Fine. Sold.
Vote: Red Mones

Jeez Lau is pulling the same ultimatum I was willing to pull for Lumenland when I am dead confident. Alrighto, Vote: Lynch Red Mones

Lol, I'm shit scared this backfires to be honest. It's great.

Remember last game I mentioned I somehow ended up being the same alignment for practically every game? Well, shit’s about to get hilarious, Lau. I think my fate is sealed though. Vote: Red Mones

Oof, probable trickery aside, that post actually makes me nervous. I've committed though!

Thanks for being a sport, Red.

You're growing more and more convincing to me, Laur, which I really hate...

It's obvious that Red Mones is going to be lynched either way now, I'm going to stick to my guns. Changing votes now would make me more suspicious then I've made myself, would be pointless anyway, and would also perhaps subconsciously change my opinion of Kane, whom I am convinced needs to say something. I have learned to trust my intuition.