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Werewolf 6's low didn't drive a wedge between the players. I am legit scared that with the way this game has gone down we end up with another November crisis.

I don't know what happened then, and I hope you don't think me presumptuous now, but I think it would do wonders for our community if we could look on this game and say, "Look what we have triumphed above. Even after all that we were able to continue." That would be amazing.

I know my activity has declined since the beginning, but that's been because of lacking motivation irl and not anything game related. I have been having fun with this game, and it's no where near as bad or hostile as some other games I've been in.


I would be fine with continuing. I just worry with how many have said they wouldn't like to continue that it would put a damper on the state of the game. They should be free to pull out if they want, but we've already had, what 5? modkills. I feel like continuing to modkill players puts both alignments in a bad position and sort of takes away from the purpose of the game. 

Werewolf 6's low didn't drive a wedge between the players. I am legit scared that with the way this game has gone down we end up with another November crisis.

I don't know what happened then, and I hope you don't think me presumptuous now, but I think it would do wonders for our community if we could look on this game and say, "Look what we have triumphed above. Even after all that we were able to continue." That would be amazing.

I get where you're going with that, but I'll follow what the community as a whole ends up deciding.  While, sure it'd be great if we could move past it and laugh about it later,  I also don't want to push through a game that people may feel done with just so we can "triumph above it."  In an optimistic outlook it could do wonders, in another outlook it could also alieniate people from wanting to play if things get worse if we push it.

Edit: meant to say I'll follow what the overall community decides.

I am leaning tentatively toward option 3, with the caveat that I don’t want to undo all of Silv’s hard work and I would be happy to carry on if that’s what the rest of us decide.

I get where you're going with that, but I'll follow what the community as a whole says.  While, sure it'd be great if we could move past it and laugh about it later,  I also don't want to push through a game that people may feel done with just so we can "triumph above it."  In an optimistic outlook it could do wonders, in another outlook it could also alieniate people from wanting to play if things get worse if we push it.

I totally get what you're saying, I have considered it. But I see Hapi's willingness to come back after all that a very good sign already. I really want us to grow together, not apart, and I think we can legitimately grow together still.

I really love the ideas behind this game (thanks Ruguo!! ) and despite it being extremely confusing to wrap my head around at first, I have thoroughly enjoyed partaking in it and getting to know you all a little bit better (especially those I've never really interacted with before). That being said, the last 24 hours have become very heated and therefore I will support whatever Ruguo decides.

If we all decide to reconvene after 48 hours, I am totally down to continue (if everyone else is on board), and I also stand by Pengu's suggestion of putting the game on hold and executing it again some time in the future.

I vote for Option 1, though I do think if we continue we should have an extra day on this round so we can have this discussion and return to the game.

In a lot of ways, this game has been a victim of its own success...it was so well-designed and sounded so exciting to play that it attracted far more people than we ever had before, including some great guests from other places and some new people to the region from the Drew Durnil wave. But with that has come some growing pains...I hope that we'll have future games as active and as exciting as this one, and that we'll figure out how we can have them in a way that doesn't overwhelm people or stir up tensions. I see them as good problems to have (stemming from being more successful than ever before), that we just have to figure out and overcome.

But I think we owe it to everyone who has invested their time, energy, and heart in this game to see this thing through. Silv has designed a wonderful game, and it would be a shame to let that work go to waste. We have guests that have come here just to play this game, and I would hate for them to leave disappointed because of our growing paints. And we have a lot of players who have put a lot of their time into it, too...a lot of people who were excited about this game and hopefully could be excited again if we can come together. We have had some issues, yes, but it's not how you start that matters...it's how you finish.

Let's be a community that resolves to overcome this and finish strong.

I get where you're going with that, but I'll follow what the community as a whole says.  While, sure it'd be great if we could move past it and laugh about it later,  I also don't want to push through a game that people may feel done with just so we can "triumph above it."  In an optimistic outlook it could do wonders, in another outlook it could also alieniate people from wanting to play if things get worse if we push it.

I totally get what you're saying, I have considered it. But I see Hapi's willingness to come back after all that a very good sign already. I really want us to grow together, not apart, and I think we can legitimately grow together still.

This is contingent on people wanting me around Aragonn is being very hard on himself but both of the truly bad arguments have revolved around me and I don't want people to worry about my ability to handle the game. I don't want people to go easy on me for fear of how I might react.

But I do think with Lau putting up the code of conduct I feel people have a better grasp about what is considered pushing to far and it alleviates my concern personally.

Also I love all of you. Seriously. I'm sorry. 

I'm all for option 1, but if people think a 48 hour recess would cool some heads and get people back into it I'm down for that.

Option 1. I honestly haven't felt this negative energy cloud over the game. Yeah, some things have gotten heated and a little personal, but we put it behind us and move on. Let's finish this.

I honestly think that I just want a break from the game. Like Lau, my heart isn't in it any more. I'm also worried that if we do take a break, people won't come back.

It really sucks, because I've really enjoyed participating in werewolf again, and I'm super impressed at how integrated everything is with each other and the Portal games, even if I don't understand it all.

What might be best is if we just start over in maybe a week or so. Ruguo can be host with a couple of modified roles (so no one has the same information or is outed), and maybe with a cap of 20 or so. That way it won't be so long that we forget to come back, and those still interested can return relatively quickly.

I agree with Wintermoot here. My suggestion is for @Ruguo to run a poll for 2-3 days. If option 3 wins, we shut it down. If option 1 wins, we can pick back up where we left off - the few days the poll is up will be our hiatus. It’ll give everyone time to think, even those that want to leave. Because let’s be real, it’s not true Wintreath Werewolf without Laurentus and Pengu. But if option 1 wins, and you still choose to leave, no judgment. Given the events of the past day or so, I think we can all respect your decision to leave.

And I would invite back both @Hapi and @Aragonn. It’s ok to make mistakes. It’s ok to have regrets. The right thing to do is to realize where you fucked up, apologize, and work towards not doing it again. The best thing we can do is work together - as a community. A community. As a community - let’s finish this.

I'm just worried that at that point the game will not be the same. The numbers are going to be altered and it will be too far gone for town to win.

And I want to keep playing and would happy to rejoin. Just not in this current game. I've also had a shitty week mentally and would rather have a fresh start. We can consider this a practice round that doesn't count against the official Wintreath record.

I mean, if it counts it counts.  Are we really worried that much about harming the "official record?"  We're allowed to have rocky games every once in a while, because those experiences only help us in making better games.

If anything, I think this strengthens the idea that I proposed that we just need 2 games running.  Especially in a case like this where it's a large complex game, I think having a basic lighter game running alongside it could have benefitted since new players could jump into that one easily.

I'm fine for using the poll time as a period of reprieve, although I do share Barnes' worry that even a couple days might offput people from coming back. It'd be nice if things remained the same count wise and we even had Hapi and Aragonn come back, but I do agree agree that the time off could potentially alter things negatively if people step away and choose to stay away.