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His claim of being a doctor doesn't sound like something a wolf would make up. And I don't know exactly how a wolf would make roles up either, so I don't recognize those tactics.

The second line was from you basically asking "why wouldn't Doc just talk about the numbers [of turrets/cores] in scum chat?". Again, I wouldn't know, I'm not in the scum chat. Of course it would make sense that they'd collaborate with each other in that chat, but he could also be talking about it publicly in order to throw townspeople off.

I am VERY WORRIED about this button.

Cant tell if sarcasm or serious

If serious, explain?

I barely have a handle on the game mechanics as it is. I would really appreciate it if a random effect was not thrown at me out of nowhere.

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I dont really see why you're wanting to flip the table with more mechanics nonsense instead of trying to get a handle of who like 25 of these people are. Like, priorities?

Because I'm hoping the mechanics will help me get a better handle on the like 25 people? You know I like mechanics. They can get people talking or doing things that I can read them for. This game is massive. Mechanics aren't gonna make reading anyone any harder for me. Also don't you realize town can get some advantages from these effects?

I never said anything about the effects helping scum? I think you realize that I'm saying the concept of this big complicated distraction in the middle of the game is what I dont want helping scum, not its effects

My wording was a bit unclear there. Though it's kind of weird you interrupted that way considering how bad that sentence looks with that meaning. I wasn't saying if effects help scum, I was saying I was all for effects if they somehow outted scum like they had the potential to in MtG.

Let's put it this way ExLight, nothing Aragonn is doing right now is out of the ordinary. You are right, you don't know how members here play. He seemed the most suspicious to you, so you went after him. We tried to tell you he's playing normally, but it was well after your initial attacks. You are right, we are ignoring the order of events. At this point it's turned into attacks that are taken as personal, regardless of the intent. I need to stress this, Aragonn is playing normally. It should have no bearing on your reasoning. Now that you know that, I hope you'll rethink your thought process. I'll extend an olive branch (since it is my belief your attacks and later, defensiveness, are reasonable) and remove my vote from ExLight. I will still Vote: Press the button.

I went back and looked at some of the votes that quickly piled on Ex.

Red Mones is one that sticks out to me (Dawcreek being the other). His initial vote said that Ex was pushing way too hard against Aragonn, which I didn't really see. Ex didn't seem like he was pushing him all too much to me.

But it's this quote that stands out. From the way Red is talking he seems like he's a somewhat experienced player. The fact that he jumped on Ex so easily when the wagon started gaining traction, then jumped off just as easy when the wagon started getting criticism doesn't look good.

But most importantly, he emphasizes that Aragonn is playing normally and that it should have no bearing on Ex's reasoning. The thing is though is that Ex, myself, funnier, and any new player here doesn't know that this is Aragonn playing normally. And to say it should have no bearing on Ex's reasoning looks a bit suspicious. Anything can have bearing on someone's reasoning even if it's typical for them. You look for scummy behavior and you poke it. But we have no real reason to trust Red when he says this is normal for Aragonn, since they could easily be scumbuds. The fact that he seemed to be telling Ex how he should read Aragonn doesn't sit well with me. And in a game this big, with so many new players it would be a bit more easy to openly 'powerwolf' (taking control and leading the thread as scum).

Vote: Red Mones

I didnt know you liked mechanics actually 

Like, yeah mechanics woo but not especially

Thats kinda the complete opposite of me since when people I dont know start talking about mechanics it's things I cant read because just about anything said can be explained away as oh I didnt understand how they worked or oh I meant to say blah blah blah. Mechanics are the safe thing to talk about

And yes of course I know town can get advantages but like, I dont care. I'm not interested. I have plenty enough abilities to sort out dont need any more thank you.

I also dont get what you mean in your second quote, whats kind of weird about what I said about it? Oh you mean like how weird it would be for you to be for scum gaining effects? I dont see how thats weird, I interpreted it as you saying you didnt mind taking the risk of scum gaining abilities or whatnot because of how potentially disadvantaged scum are in this setup which is lol the only reason I'd push the button since it does seem a little unfair without the chaos to push it more scum side

That's why I always like Deku's weird games. Because they have interesting mechanics. Lol. Also, I just used some mechanics in my game. 

It's less so talking about mechanics and moreso talking about what people have done with the mechanics if that makes sense.

And yeah that's what I meant by it being weird. Just thought it was kinda funny that you interrupted it as me openly saying I was all for giving scum an advantage. Lol.

Are you voting yet? I can't remember. And if yes for who and if not then who are you thinking?

Err, hello. I'm a bit lost, but posting here for now just to confirm that I am present and will do something when I understand the game a little better.

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I dont really see why you're wanting to flip the table with more mechanics nonsense instead of trying to get a handle of who like 25 of these people are. Like, priorities?

Because I'm hoping the mechanics will help me get a better handle on the like 25 people? You know I like mechanics. They can get people talking or doing things that I can read them for. This game is massive. Mechanics aren't gonna make reading anyone any harder for me. Also don't you realize town can get some advantages from these effects?

I never said anything about the effects helping scum? I think you realize that I'm saying the concept of this big complicated distraction in the middle of the game is what I dont want helping scum, not its effects

My wording was a bit unclear there. Though it's kind of weird you interrupted that way considering how bad that sentence looks with that meaning. I wasn't saying if effects help scum, I was saying I was all for effects if they somehow outted scum like they had the potential to in MtG.

Let's put it this way ExLight, nothing Aragonn is doing right now is out of the ordinary. You are right, you don't know how members here play. He seemed the most suspicious to you, so you went after him. We tried to tell you he's playing normally, but it was well after your initial attacks. You are right, we are ignoring the order of events. At this point it's turned into attacks that are taken as personal, regardless of the intent. I need to stress this, Aragonn is playing normally. It should have no bearing on your reasoning. Now that you know that, I hope you'll rethink your thought process. I'll extend an olive branch (since it is my belief your attacks and later, defensiveness, are reasonable) and remove my vote from ExLight. I will still Vote: Press the button.

I went back and looked at some of the votes that quickly piled on Ex.

Red Mones is one that sticks out to me (Dawcreek being the other). His initial vote said that Ex was pushing way too hard against Aragonn, which I didn't really see. Ex didn't seem like he was pushing him all too much to me.

But it's this quote that stands out. From the way Red is talking he seems like he's a somewhat experienced player. The fact that he jumped on Ex so easily when the wagon started gaining traction, then jumped off just as easy when the wagon started getting criticism doesn't look good.

But most importantly, he emphasizes that Aragonn is playing normally and that it should have no bearing on Ex's reasoning. The thing is though is that Ex, myself, funnier, and any new player here doesn't know that this is Aragonn playing normally. And to say it should have no bearing on Ex's reasoning looks a bit suspicious. Anything can have bearing on someone's reasoning even if it's typical for them. You look for scummy behavior and you poke it. But we have no real reason to trust Red when he says this is normal for Aragonn, since they could easily be scumbuds. The fact that he seemed to be telling Ex how he should read Aragonn doesn't sit well with me. And in a game this big, with so many new players it would be a bit more easy to openly 'powerwolf' (taking control and leading the thread as scum).

Vote: Red Mones

I didnt know you liked mechanics actually 

Like, yeah mechanics woo but not especially

Thats kinda the complete opposite of me since when people I dont know start talking about mechanics it's things I cant read because just about anything said can be explained away as oh I didnt understand how they worked or oh I meant to say blah blah blah. Mechanics are the safe thing to talk about

And yes of course I know town can get advantages but like, I dont care. I'm not interested. I have plenty enough abilities to sort out dont need any more thank you.

I also dont get what you mean in your second quote, whats kind of weird about what I said about it? Oh you mean like how weird it would be for you to be for scum gaining effects? I dont see how thats weird, I interpreted it as you saying you didnt mind taking the risk of scum gaining abilities or whatnot because of how potentially disadvantaged scum are in this setup which is lol the only reason I'd push the button since it does seem a little unfair without the chaos to push it more scum side

That's why I always like Deku's weird games. Because they have interesting mechanics. Lol. Also, I just used some mechanics in my game. 

It's less so talking about mechanics and moreso talking about what people have done with the mechanics if that makes sense.

And yeah that's what I meant by it being weird. Just thought it was kinda funny that you interrupted it as me openly saying I was all for giving scum an advantage. Lol.

Are you voting yet? I can't remember. And if yes for who and if not then who are you thinking?

Like, yeah I knew you didnt hate mechanics but I didnt know you liked them especially

It does, but I still think its better to get to know them first especially since I dont particularly trust anyone here with making mechanics decisions

I cant remember either, I think I RVSed someone and never took it off, I might just vote with you on Red Mones since I dont really have time to try to rank all these blasted people but I was also thinking about voting Pengu since he's been kind of underwhelming

Also is Laur off to you or is it just me?

Also Min I accidentally liked your post when I was going for reply so dont be alarmed that I liked and unliked it

This is just Doc being Doc.

Fair. To go along with this, I'll change my vote to ExLight.

What does Doc have to do with Ex?

For the same reason as everyone else, I will Vote: ExLight
I don't like the unjustified aggression on Aragonn either.

For what reason would that be

have you no other questions comments or concerns for the game at large?

Welcome to Werewolf. This is what people do. I don't like it, and I keep questioning why I'm coming back.

You dont like being asked to be explain your thought process and reasoning?

My wagon exploding while I was busy sleeping in my sofa while approaching mid-late Day Phase, with most votes being sheeping basically, isn't natural at all. I'm fine with lynching anyone that is in it at this point.

Just dropping a few other points in my defense, but other points for scum going after me include: Easy lynch target for being a stranger in this community; me being considered a strong player since I'm joining the Champs as a sub this year; and me "softing" a power role, which wasn't really a soft but after the role baiting Aragonn threw kinda might've convinced scum, so who knows :shrugs:, unfortunately he was right and I do have a moderately strong role.

You? A strong player? 

As reasoning for being day one lynch bait? 

I love this raised eyebrow emote

Anyway I really doubt anyone here was even aware you were a sub in champs this year that only happened like three days ago cmon

Theres definitely a lot of town sheep on your wagon

Oh, well, this is getting out of hand.

I'm basically a 3-shot doctor, and my abilities include double voting or protecting two people in the same night.

maybe if I do like this people won't use the excuse that they missed my claim hmmm

Do we care about your claim tho

This is just Doc being Doc.

Fair. To go along with this, I'll change my vote to ExLight.

What does Doc have to do with Ex?

He doesn't. The "this" was earlier actions of Ex that I'd believed to be aggressive at the time.

A few Minor updates here:

Please DO NOT discuss the game with anyone outside of this thread unless you are in an approved, host created area. Yes, it's tempting, but please no. This has now been explicitly stated in the rules to avoid further confusion. That was my bad for only generally making note of it before.

If no one pushes the button, this game can and will be played much like a vanilla game.
On that note, updated count is: 14 to push the button. 2 more votes are needed to reach majority.

We appear to have heard from everyone now at least once. I'll be poking people who have failed to post twice later today to keep them engaged. Feel free to bug them as well.

Finally, if you need to edit a post for spelling or grammar reasons that make it difficult to read or change the meaning of your post, I'm happy to do it for you. Please reach out to me if you need this.

Mkay that's all for now.

Oh, is that the point of the game? Of course, I've never played it before ever at all ever in any capacity at all what so ever, here I was thinking we were making like a Pachinko machine and Pulling the Lever Pushing the Button.

When you put such a masterfully crafted argument I am still going to push the button, funnier.

Oh, is that the point of the game? Of course, I've never played it before ever at all ever in any capacity at all what so ever, here I was thinking we were making like a Pachinko machine and Pulling the Lever Pushing the Button.

When you put such a masterfully crafted argument I am still going to push the button, funnier.

Do you mind giving the context for whatever this is supposed to be

Despite Funnier's clear I'm-not-liking-Lau sentiment (</3 BTW), I have to agree with him on the button thing. It could help Town, but it's also an extra complexity in a game that's already quite a bit more complex than we're used to playing, and we already have quite a few new players who are struggling to keep up as it is.

I will therefore be taking back my vote to push the button.

Anyway I doubt something as superficial as my avatar will make much of a difference, but I've changed it back to the one I had while playing in the MU game.

@Ruguo
can we get a votecount