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Not sure what being aggressive/kind has to do with being either town or mafia. If anything pocketing (being way too kind to others to get their trust) is a much more usual approach for scum than just slugging some harsh commentaries that draw attention to them.

Oh, well, this is getting out of hand.

I'm basically a 3-shot doctor, and my abilities include double voting or protecting two people in the same night.

maybe if I do like this people won't use the excuse that they missed my claim hmmm

3. It feels like the role claim was a subtle lie supposed to make people change their votes, and when it didn't work, they wanted to bring it back into the conversation so they used an excuse in the quote above.

I literally did that before any of my other voters appeared in-thread. There wasn't even time for it to "Not work out" lol.
And as I said in the very post, I did it so people wouldn't miss the claim since it's a 30p game and I was expecting it to get hidden under a mountain of posts. The fact we already got 3 pages after the claim kinda proves it was a good reason to.

And why wouldn't I make sure to voice it out loud? Doctor is one of the most important roles in the mid-end game and I don't want my team to lose it D1.

You missed a vote there Ruguo. 

I'll not push the button still and vote @Mathyland just to get them more active.

Nice to see a bandwagon caused by misunderstanding unraveling.  Having read through just about every game of Werewolf in this region, I have seen that defensiveness resembling or being mistaken for hostility is common with Aragon.  The fact that the situation escalated was clearly a misunderstanding since he was clarifying things and well we saw what resulted from that cycle.

I see Red Mones has forgotten about Werewolf XV where Barnes was a defender and Red Mones was a villager until Barnes got sabotaged by a saboteur (the wolf in that game).

I am quite worried about the possible effects of the button because it is random: that is why I have not and am still not going to push the button.  I don't really have any reads on anyone yet but there is a chance that by the end of this phase there will be enough to get reads on players.

Not sure what being aggressive/kind has to do with being either town or mafia. If anything pocketing (being way too kind to others to get their trust) is a much more usual approach for scum than just slugging some harsh commentaries that draw attention to them.

Oh, well, this is getting out of hand.

I'm basically a 3-shot doctor, and my abilities include double voting or protecting two people in the same night.

maybe if I do like this people won't use the excuse that they missed my claim hmmm

3. It feels like the role claim was a subtle lie supposed to make people change their votes, and when it didn't work, they wanted to bring it back into the conversation so they used an excuse in the quote above.

I literally did that before any of my other voters appeared in-thread. There wasn't even time for it to "Not work out" lol.
And as I said in the very post, I did it so people wouldn't miss the claim since it's a 30p game and I was expecting it to get hidden under a mountain of posts. The fact we already got 3 pages after the claim kinda proves it was a good reason to.

And why wouldn't I make sure to voice it out loud? Doctor is one of the most important roles in the mid-end game and I don't want my team to lose it D1.

The guide to Werewolf terms was only recently posted so I hope you can forgive ignorance there.  Also in the games here, town roles have been frequently lynched so while revealing can make you less suspicious when believed, it might be even more risky than usual because of the tendency for scum to eliminate important roles or not have to eliminate them because of the town.

Not sure what being aggressive/kind has to do with being either town or mafia. If anything pocketing (being way too kind to others to get their trust) is a much more usual approach for scum than just slugging some harsh commentaries that draw attention to them.

Oh, well, this is getting out of hand.

I'm basically a 3-shot doctor, and my abilities include double voting or protecting two people in the same night.

maybe if I do like this people won't use the excuse that they missed my claim hmmm

3. It feels like the role claim was a subtle lie supposed to make people change their votes, and when it didn't work, they wanted to bring it back into the conversation so they used an excuse in the quote above.

I literally did that before any of my other voters appeared in-thread. There wasn't even time for it to "Not work out" lol.
And as I said in the very post, I did it so people wouldn't miss the claim since it's a 30p game and I was expecting it to get hidden under a mountain of posts. The fact we already got 3 pages after the claim kinda proves it was a good reason to.

And why wouldn't I make sure to voice it out loud? Doctor is one of the most important roles in the mid-end game and I don't want my team to lose it D1.

I'm saying it's susp for you to change your mentality from aggressive to kind.
If you are doctor, you would just die to turrets on N1 or 2 depending on if there is a defender so it doesn't make sense for you to say this.
Overall, your defense just seems really wishy washy and suspicious.

I'm saying it's susp for you to change your mentality from aggressive to kind.
If you are doctor, you would just die to turrets on N1 or 2 depending on if there is a defender so it doesn't make sense for you to say this.
Overall, your defense just seems really wishy washy and suspicious.

I can self target and I'm hoping something like a Watcher will help me prevent dying until later in the game because that's the common sense play.

I see Red Mones has forgotten about Werewolf XV where Barnes was a defender and Red Mones was a villager until Barnes got sabotaged by a saboteur (the wolf in that game).

Oh hai
I forgot about XV. I thought VI was the one where I got sabotaged, lol.

I am quite worried about the possible effects of the button because it is random: that is why I have not and am still not going to push the button.

Agreed, I don't want a time of confusion to be a time when even more goes up in the air.

Well that stuff with Ex escalated quickly. I'll comment more on specific stuff later but I just woke up and caught up.


The thing is, Ex isn't really being aggressive here at all. From reading through all of that it seems that games are played a bit calmer here. The way Ex is playing is very common on our site however, so this seems to be a difference of communities. Yeah he can rub people kind of the wrong way at first (his first game on zd he caused quite a commotion) but I promise y'all that Ex is not malicious and he's a rather nice guy.

Also, I'm sorry to anyone who feels intimidated by our use of mafia jargon. We were unaware of just how many new players were in this game and funnier, Ex, and myself have all played quite a lot of games with mostly the same people. So it's just common for us to talk like that.


Anyways, to get to actual game stuff. Ex looks pretty dang townie to me. Him getting attacked d1 in new environments is nothing new and he responded how I would expect town Ex to respond. I don't see him trying to fake claim at that point if he were scum. He would've doubled down on poking elsewhere instead.

The fact that so many votes piled on him in so little time feels not great to me. I'm definitely going to have to relook there at each person, because it seems likely that at least one of the votes was mafia trying to join an easy vote.

I'm going to Remove my vote for Exlight because if they are telling the truth, I don't want to mislynch such an important role.

I'm going to Remove my vote for Exlight because if they are telling the truth, I don't want to mislynch such an important role.

Also, not lynching can give some info that could really help

I see Red Mones has forgotten about Werewolf XV where Barnes was a defender and Red Mones was a villager until Barnes got sabotaged by a saboteur (the wolf in that game).

Yeah i did forget about that one. That was back in 2018. Dern, It’s been awhile.

I'm a bit lost with the role names cultural difference
what's a defender is it like a roleblocker or

That didn’t seem agressive to me at all. I’m glad things have calmed down.

I’m realizing I need to brush up on my terminology 

I believe the defender is like the bodyguard in town of salem

Finally caught up to the end. After going inactive to avoid throwing more fuel on the flame, I'm all caught up again. I never did peg Ex as scum, but I didn't appreciate the backlash I took from trying to help clarify things either. I do disavow the votes cast against him and hope that we can find a much better target.

I'm a bit lost with the role names cultural difference
what's a defender is it like a roleblocker or

idk how the theme has twisted the Defender role but it's basically a TOS Doctor that can't self-heal or defend the same person twice in a row.

I'm going to change my vote to Doc since I don't want to use my no-lynch. I know his actions are usual for the course, but since everyone's been acting on par, there's not much to go off of besides being the first person I was suspicious of.