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Does the discussion forums need to be reworked? If so, how?

No. The forums are fine as they are.
6 (50%)
Yes. The Pride should be removed as we talk about pride stuff everywhere else as well.
2 (16.7%)
Yes. The Pride, Howling Wind Tavern, and The Hall of Great Discussions should be merged.
4 (33.3%)
Yes. The Frozen Village of Fourneshore should all become one forum.
0 (0%)
Yes. (Other, please specify)
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 12

Voting closed: November 21, 2019, 08:08:26 PM


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POLL: The future of the discussion forums
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Ruguo
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    As discussed at the all hands meeting on Saturday, we want your opinions on the forums! Please answer the poll above. You have until this time next Thursday to answer the poll. If you have other ideas for this section of the forums, please leave them in the replies.

    Keep in mind that combining this section of the forums would mean the homepage has room for a new section of the forums to go up, which you as a community would also get a hand in deciding.
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  • I voted on merging the Hall of Great Discussions and Pride into the Howling Wind Tavern as a general discussion forum (is that the accurate word?), but further, I think the Gaming Lounge could be split: the general discussions on videogames, reviews, etc. could be merged into this new discussion forum, while the topics on scheduling multiplayer games as a community could be moved to somewhere in the Amalyan Quarter (perhaps just the main page of the Frostmist Arena).
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  • I don't particularly see a need to merge the forums, though since discussion on the forums is arguably on the decline I wouldn't necessarily be strongly opposed to it.

    One thing I might actually suggest though, surprisingly, is a Pride-like Discord channel. I've noticed a few times people discussing LGBTQ+ topics sometimes get told by others to move the discussion to #politics, and of course it can be distressing to see people's very lives/identity/existence to be seen as political. So perhaps a dedicated channel there may be good, especially since casual discussion has moved more towards Discord recently.
    Keep in mind that combining this section of the forums would mean the homepage has room for a new section of the forums to go up, which you as a community would also get a hand in deciding.
    This bit I don't get though. There isn't a set number of sections/subforums? Removing/merging existing subforums doesn't free up space for more subforums because the space is always there to begin with.
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  • I don't particularly see a need to merge the forums, though since discussion on the forums is arguably on the decline I wouldn't necessarily be strongly opposed to it.

    One thing I might actually suggest though, surprisingly, is a Pride-like Discord channel. I've noticed a few times people discussing LGBTQ+ topics sometimes get told by others to move the discussion to #politics, and of course it can be distressing to see people's very lives/identity/existence to be seen as political. So perhaps a dedicated channel there may be good, especially since casual discussion has moved more towards Discord recently.
    Keep in mind that combining this section of the forums would mean the homepage has room for a new section of the forums to go up, which you as a community would also get a hand in deciding.
    This bit I don't get though. There isn't a set number of sections/subforums? Removing/merging existing subforums doesn't free up space for more subforums because the space is always there to begin with.

    I think what he's getting at when he says that is when it comes to the idea of clutter because of too many forums.  Yes, you can create an unlimited set of forums basically, but there is a point when it becomes too much, and you're doing way too much scrolling through way too many forums to find the one you're wanting to post in.  Otherwise, no, there's no actual limit on how many forums you can create.

    Outside of that, I also voted to keep things as is.  I realize a lot of this discussion has been because of the Pride Forum being a little quiet and this mainly being centered around removing it because it's been a little quiet.  Personally, I don't see that as a reason to remove it just yet as while it may not get intense discussion now, it could always later down the road.  To throw out an example, I'll look at the Hall of Art and Writing, where we did end up removing it because it was considered inactive, only for us to bring it back because people wanted it back...and now while it's not as active as...say the Howling Tavern or Gaming Lounge (which I do agree with Gerrick that it should be split between reviews/game discussions and merging the multiplayer scheduling with the Frostmist Arena...I'd even argue that discussions could be the main forum, and reviews could be a subforum in the Lounge)...but it's still been decently active since its revival.  If we remove the Pride forum entirely, I see that being a similar outcome to where people will just end up wanting it back.  Though I do agree with the idea of a Pride-centered discord as well.

    Likewise, I definitely don't agree with merging the Hall of Great Discussions and the Tavern.  I look at it similarly like I do with Discord's separate channels...Howling Tavern should be more about just regular, campfire discussions that are more light, whereas Hall of Great Discussions was meant to be about the heavier, more controversial and potential political discussions that were meant to spark debate and had the potential to become heated.  I think both should be kept separate.
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  • I think what he's getting at when he says that is when it comes to the idea of clutter because of too many forums.  Yes, you can create an unlimited set of forums basically, but there is a point when it becomes too much, and you're doing way too much scrolling through way too many forums to find the one you're wanting to post in.  Otherwise, no, there's no actual limit on how many forums you can create.
    That is true, but I believe that at the current stage we could very easily have the number of subforums go up or down without significantly making the forums look empty or cluttered. Throughout Wintreath the number of forums has gone up and down with the times, after all, and things have generally been fine, even though I'm often not a big fan of the changes since I often don't see them as necessary.
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  • Half say change, half say no change. Greaaat.

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  • And only removing the Pride forum got 50%; the rest of the proposed changes did not.
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  • For those who want to leave the forums as they are, do you have any ideas on how to make them active enough to justify keeping them?


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  • To me at least, part of "The forums are fine as they are" is simply that their current activity level is already enough to justify keeping them.
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  • Some of these forums are lucky to get 10 or 20 posts in a month...I don't think that's fine.


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  • Well, the threshold (or even the existence of it) is always going to be arbitrary and subjective, so really the best we can do is agree to disagree.

    You are the Admin though, so it's not like there's much we can do about it if you act on that belief. :P

    (If that's your standard for deciding whether a subforum should exist, though, then I'm very confused as to why Frosthold Castle and Civil Service got separated in the first place, because Frosthold Castle had and never was going to get that many posts, like ever.)
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  • Sometimes we've separated out forums as an experiment, because the argument can be made that if a topic is more visible then perhaps people will be more interested in posting about it. I think in the case of the Civil Service though there was the expectation that it would become more active and there would be more projects for Citizens to volunteer for...and that has never quite happened.

    I think at one time I had an idea to merge Frosthold Castle and the Citizens Platform, but it was so unpopular that I never went through with it.


    I went all the way to Cassadega to commune with the dead
    They said "You'd better look alive"
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