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To answer that question, the Blunderer, being neither good nor bad and simply clumsy, will share their win with whoever the winning team is.

To answer that question, the Blunderer, being neither good nor bad and simply clumsy, will share their win with whoever the winning team is.

That's at least somewhat of a relief, although now I'm somewhat curious as to what the Saboteur win condition is, since if it's the default 'scum outnumber town' and we mislynch today, if the Saboteurs successfully get a night kill (which, I must stress, is not guaranteed, especially if the Magician takes my suggestion to reveal!) then they (and the Blunderer) straight-up win.
Please clarify!

Also, what about my second question?

Also, I'd also like to know whether the Blunderer role affects Magician/Leader Scenarios, or it only affects powers.

Hydra looks the exact same as he always does, in my opinion. In the last game, he flew under the radar just as much and ended up getting mislynched. I'd say NAI, then.

Honestly, I find you more suspicious now, Doc, because not only do you have a history of asking these clarifying questions in the thread itself as a Wolf, I do this as a Wolf too. I make a big show of it, even.

I will vote Gerrick, due to the fact that if i was a saboteur i wouldnt want to be in the center of attencion, but not to under the radar also, and, in my opinion, the player who fits most this description is Gerrick.

I will also say that i dont believe Doc is a saboteur for 2 reasons:
1) He has suggested a fairly good strategy for us to follow
2) Even if he has proposed it in order to discover the wizard, it is almost pointless now, due to the fact that the saboteurs only have to kill one more of us to win

Wait, the Blunderer wins no matter who's left standing at the end? And since Laurentus did it with no repercussions I assume I can role reveal?

I am the Blunderer. I will prove it tonight to make my point. Wolves, no need to target me, I have no quarrel with you and would actually like to live to the end of the game. If the seer wishes to confirm my identity that's ok too.

And the reason why it is difficult for me to bold my votes is because I regularly use my phone to respond, that makes it remarkably difficult for me the bold my votes what with my dyslexia and stuff.

I suppose I'll go ahead and Vote: Doc. Laurentus makes good points about his clarifying questions behavior being somewhat suspect, as well as his vote against Hydra being based on not particularly wolfy behavior.

I also hope you're not wolf again, but I'm not seeing particularly better choices currently to vote for. I'll curse RNGsus with you if you actually do flip wolf.

Disagreeing with PJ's defense of Doc in that being/appearing helpful is something a good wolf is also likely to do in order to appear innocent, and as such is fairly NAI.

I will vote Gerrick, due to the fact that if i was a saboteur i wouldnt want to be in the center of attencion, but not to under the radar also, and, in my opinion, the player who fits most this description is Gerrick.

I mean, including this post, I've made just one more post than you in this game, so I could say the same of you as well as several other players. Besides Laurentus and North, there's not really a wide range in the number of posts.

Total Post Count

Laurentus: 31
North: 23
Ruguo: 9
Doc: 7
Mathyland: 5
Gerrick: 4
taulover: 4
Gabrielle: 3
Pj: 3
David: 1
Hydra: 1

Think I'm going to again Vote: Hydra. The only post he's made is the vote that saved him. Almost like someone PMed him to tell him to vote just before the end of the phase so that he didn't get lynched.

Also,
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To answer that question, the Blunderer, being neither good nor bad and simply clumsy, will share their win with whoever the winning team is.

That's at least somewhat of a relief, although now I'm somewhat curious as to what the Saboteur win condition is, since if it's the default 'scum outnumber town' and we mislynch today, if the Saboteurs successfully get a night kill (which, I must stress, is not guaranteed, especially if the Magician takes my suggestion to reveal!) then they (and the Blunderer) straight-up win.
Please clarify!

Also, what about my second question?

Also, I'd also like to know whether the Blunderer role affects Magician/Leader Scenarios, or it only affects powers.

  their win condition is same as always: they have to equal the remaining contestants.  The Blunderer, neither good nor bad, will count for nor against the players.  If there are 3 saboteurs, 3 contestants, and the blunderer, the game will end in the Saboteur's favor.  If there are 4 contestants, 3 saboteurs, and the blunderer the game will continue.

Also, the Blunderer's ability stops ALL powers.  This includes scenario outcomes.

I will Vote: Doc to keep things even and leave it up to RNG.

I'll stay out of it, I just want to live, I'm not going to pick a fight with anyone, I just want to survive this game, there is no need to kill me or anything, I am not a threat to anyone.

Current votecount:
Doc: Hydra
PJ: Gerrick
Tau: Doc
Gerrick: Hydra
Laurentus: Doc
Currently tied between Me and Hydra, leaving it up to RNGesus which of us dies.
I'm gonna @ everyone who hasn't voted yet (with the exception of North, who says he's staying out of it, even if I fundamentally disagree with that notion, since at least he's made some call), so @Gabrielle @davidd1979 @Mathyland @Hydra @Ruguo.

their win condition is same as always: they have to equal the remaining contestants.  The Blunderer, neither good nor bad, will count for nor against the players.  If there are 3 saboteurs, 3 contestants, and the blunderer, the game will end in the Saboteur's favor.  If there are 4 contestants, 3 saboteurs, and the blunderer the game will continue.

I think you put too many Saboteurs in this game, then. 2 mislynches (a day-1 mislynch is practically a guarantee) and 2 failures to block means there's the possibility to win by day 3, which is much too early.

I will Vote: Doc to keep things even and leave it up to RNG.

For someone claiming defender, gotta say, you're really screwing the pooch here.
Which, since you're doing that, has got me deeply suspicious of your claim. Particularly since you misdirected away from answering my question about whether you were the defender who got stopped last night by turning attention to me. Claiming to be a defender when the defenders don't know who each other is - sure, plausible. Refusing to provide evidence that would guarantee to at least one of the defenders, if not both, that you're not who you claim you are (if you are lying)? Total scum move.
If it wouldn't guarantee my death, I'd change my vote to you right now. And if I am lynched, when I inevitably show town, lynch Laurentus (assuming the game even gets to go on).

I was not informed of a failure in my chosen defense target, and I don't know if the other one would even have been informed.

If you're subtly trying to claim the other defender role, then you're doing a poor job of it. You going after Hydra and *again* conveniently forgetting your own history in *literally the last game we played* are major points against you, and until you can give me an explanation as to how on Earth you came to the conclusion that Hydra specifically is a likely Wolf, I will keep my vote on you.

Which is a shame, because I was actually going to pressure Gerrick until you decided to take your current course.

Also, @North, just coming right out and saying that you're going to negate the night actions is not likely to endear you to the Wolves. With everything stacked the way it is (Doc is definitely right on how fucked we are if we don't lynch scum soon), it would not be in the Wolves' interest to keep you alive, because then you can deprive them of a kill in the night phase, and they'd have to use the daily lynches to get rid of townies.

That said, I hope you go through with your plan. Town needs all the help it can get.

I am the Blunderer. I will prove it tonight to make my point.
...If the seer wishes to confirm my identity that's ok too.

If you 'prove it tonight', how exactly is the Seer meant to confirm your identity?

I was not informed of a failure in my chosen defense target, and I don't know if the other one would even have been informed.

If you're subtly trying to claim the other defender role, then you're doing a poor job of it. You going after Hydra and *again* conveniently forgetting your own history in *literally the last game we played* are major points against you, and until you can give me an explanation as to how on Earth you came to the conclusion that Hydra specifically is a likely Wolf, I will keep my vote on you.

Which is a shame, because I was actually going to pressure Gerrick until you decided to take your current course.

I'm not. I'm straight-up just a Contestant.
But I'm working on the basis that Pengu would say something if your defense attempt didn't succeed. Reasoning: if he didn't say anything, then it literally does no harm to say 'I was not informed of any such failure', because either you're telling the truth and the other defender also was not informed, which doesn't raise any suspicions, or you're a lying wolf who's accidentally telling the truth and neither defender pegs you for a liar. The only case in which there's a problem for you is if you're a wolf who is lying and caught, in which case one or both defenders knows you're full of shit.

As for why I might forget my history in literally the last game we played, I'd like to point out two things. One, people very often are terrible judges of their own behavior - hence why we have Dunning-Kruger syndrome, imposter syndrome, and a whole smorgasbord of 'people don't know/remember shit about themselves. And two: game was six months ago, which is ample time for me to have forgotten about this. You continually fixate on my inability to remember 'things from the last game regarding myself', which, at this point, I'd just sort of figure you'd work that into your mental picture of 'oh that's just how Doc plays'.
In contrast to people's general inability to make accurate assessments of their own strengths/weaknesses though, we form reasonably solid pictures of other people's play, which is how I might be aware that Hydra is a great quiet wolf, seeing as how I've been on his team while he's doing that a goodly chunk of the time.
You're clearly some type of power role, since you shut up more when you're just regular town, but seeing as how only 3 of these power roles are town-aligned and 4 are scum-aligned (and I guess North is in it for himself if he's telling the truth), the odds of you lying are trending upwards.

incidentally, god damn this MU jargon, it's so infectious