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Or maybe he didn't choose at all and just did it randomly. Hmm...

Whatever the case, my immediate instincts tell me that either Laurentus gets killed in an early night-phase out of concern at his newly-honed skills, or he's scum.
Then again...they might assume we'd think that way and explicitly not kill him by virtue of assuming we'd just lynch him anyway for precisely that reasoning...
WIFOM! I WORKED IT IN!

All that said just so I could work in the last bit of jargon I remembered that I hadn't used yet, Laurentus' 'reaction test' doesn't seem particularly effective, because we don't have a daily activity requirement - or really any activity requirement at all. People can just fail to react until North gets lynched by default, since for the moment he's the only candidate. Which suggests to me that it's not a reaction test - it's just straight aggressive play from scum who's maybe even overconfident - as if he's the Saboteur Leader and thus invulnerable till the rest of them are dead.
All that said, Vote: Laurentus.

i've finally learned that vote: no lynch is dumb, it only took like 10 games

Given that Doc isn't supposed to be a wolf, and I don't know too much about the game yet, I'll take his advice to not go with no lynch. However, I don't want to vote out lau quite yet because I feel there is something to learn from his play style that may help me later.

So on principle, I'm going to vote: North, fully realizing that this may make me look scummy.

This is your friendly reminder that there is only 24 hours and 18 minutes 21 hours and 17 minutes left in this phase.

Wait, I hope we're not about to wagon North. The whole idea behind first-day votes is that they're stupid, and should just serve to get as much info as possible.

North's reaction is NAI (ha!), but has served to get three pretty cool reactions from Gerrick and Doc.

Also, just a word of advice, Ruguo, if you think I might be a Wolf, then it would be best to remove me early, unless you plan to keep me around specifically to see my interactions with other players and piece together a Wolf team. Even that will have an element of risk, though, because I tend to lead any team I'm on.

That said, it could just be that you're a new player, but why just sheep an existing vote? Why not create a counter-wagon?

Or maybe he didn't choose at all and just did it randomly. Hmm...

Whatever the case, my immediate instincts tell me that either Laurentus gets killed in an early night-phase out of concern at his newly-honed skills, or he's scum.
Then again...they might assume we'd think that way and explicitly not kill him by virtue of assuming we'd just lynch him anyway for precisely that reasoning...
WIFOM! I WORKED IT IN!

All that said just so I could work in the last bit of jargon I remembered that I hadn't used yet, Laurentus' 'reaction test' doesn't seem particularly effective, because we don't have a daily activity requirement - or really any activity requirement at all. People can just fail to react until North gets lynched by default, since for the moment he's the only candidate. Which suggests to me that it's not a reaction test - it's just straight aggressive play from scum who's maybe even overconfident - as if he's the Saboteur Leader and thus invulnerable till the rest of them are dead.
All that said, Vote: Laurentus.

i've finally learned that vote: no lynch is dumb, it only took like 10 games

There are a few possibilities that you're neglecting to mention. We have two defenders, after all.

Now, I dont want to die so I will vote for Laurentus to at least give myself a chance to live.

I really can't afford to die this early, otherwise Town is screwed.

Alright, I'll reveal my role. I'm one of the defenders. So now that that's out, can we please start playing sensibly?

Then change your vote. This entire thing is absolutely, 100 percent your fault. You fix it.

Since it’s the first voting round, I’m gonna poke my husband @davidd79 in the ass. I vote: David to make things interesting. Could be a rogue wolf waiting in the shadows, honestly. Why so quiet? What does he have to hide?

I didn't wagon you. You could have discussed alternate targets, too.

I didn't expect you to get a 2nd vote out of this.

Honestly I think it can be chalked up to new people (like me) still trying to figure out how to play

Well, either way, Lau, I'm not going to go down without a fight and how could I discuss alternate targets with no data to go on? The only reason I'm voting for you is because I don't want to die and the only reason you voted for me was because I asked if it would be possible to not vote with no repercussions in the first round (still no answer by the way) and made a jokey reference to Doc's plea not to be lynched in the first round. Again, Lau, this is entirely your fault. If you die blame no one but yourself. And you still have not changed your vote.

Nor do I plan to, anymore. You're much too defensive about this.

There's no data, yes, so that is why we discuss things. You could have given your thoughts on what both Doc and Gerrick said, for example, or even chatted to Ruguo to discuss why you would be a bad lynch.

Now, you want to lynch a defender. Why? Is your role objectively more important? If so, then the townie thing to do would have been to simply engage with me and say: "Hey, Lau, what's up with the vote? Why not do x, y or z?"

As far as bussing potential goes, I'm going to be able to get a lot more votes on you, because even if my claim is absurd (yes, a Wolf can claim to be a defender and I should be questioned about this), rational townies should not be taking this risk.

So how about it, North. Will you help me analyse the situation or are you solely interested in self-preservation?

Help you analyse the situation, I.E, die? Um, no thank you. Besides, what, I trust that you're telling the truth about being a defender? You are notorious for being fantastic at manipulating events in Werewolf. How fortunate that your logic is that you being lynched would be bad.

And what exactly are you proposing anyway? That I change my vote and just accept death? I'll change my vote if you change yours. Right now, for me, any discussion other than "Hey, North, how about you don't die?" is not a priority for me.

No, other discussion as in 'let's look at what else is going on.'

It's a foregone conclusion that I'm going to get scanned, and at that point, the Seer will either reveal my role as a defender or as a Wolf. So that one's not really worth worrying about.

The whole point of random votes in the beginning is to jump start discussion like this. Even in Ruguo's immediate bandwagoning, that's another opportunity to analyse an action and gain clarity.

Frankly, the fact that you seem so disinterested in discussing things and instead just doing a self-preservation vote make me think that I might have hit a Wolf after all.