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  • There could be a discrete business arrangement between our two characters which allows your character access to some higher grade stuff my character sells but for a steep cost to whoever it's getting sold to. Chances are the buyer is only going to Cin because he/she can't get the weapons any other way.
    Possibly. Gotta help the family right? Btw what do you mean by "higher grade" given the time period?
    Also people go to Cin because guns arn't his only repetoir,
    Given that this is 1500s Renaissance time, guns are still a very, very new thing and thus would only be used in limited numbers by main armed forces because of how expensive they would be. Enter my character. He makes guns not only operate smoother but also more affordable as well. This means that armed forces can fully equip themselves with guns and allows some of the merchants to defend themselves with guns too. Weapons like swords, bows, spears, etc. are still very prominent and relied upon by the general population.

    That's just looking at it from an economics standpoint. There's also political standings where a local official in charge could ban the purchase of a firearm by the general population, including merchants operating there. Enter your character. He could sell these weapons to said opressed merchants.

    The guns used would be muskets and early cannons. Rifled bores would still be just a bit outside of reach. So even the guns have limited effectiveness. Plate armor can still block a musket ball to the chest, making the use of the more primitive weapons still paramount. In comes my character again. He doesn't just sell guns. He also sells swords and whatnot that are more durable and stay sharp longer without sacrificing on weight. These come at a somewhat premium price, however. Due to the markets and how said weapons have been forged by oh so many before and currently, these higher grade weapons do and should cost a pretty penny.
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  • Given that this is 1500s Renaissance time, guns are still a very, very new thing and thus would only be used in limited numbers by main armed forces because of how expensive they would be. Enter my character. He makes guns not only operate smoother but also more affordable as well. This means that armed forces can fully equip themselves with guns and allows some of the merchants to defend themselves with guns too. Weapons like swords, bows, spears, etc. are still very prominent and relied upon by the general population.

    That's just looking at it from an economics standpoint. There's also political standings where a local official in charge could ban the purchase of a firearm by the general population, including merchants operating there. Enter your character. He could sell these weapons to said opressed merchants.

    The guns used would be muskets and early cannons. Rifled bores would still be just a bit outside of reach. So even the guns have limited effectiveness. Plate armor can still block a musket ball to the chest, making the use of the more primitive weapons still paramount. In comes my character again. He doesn't just sell guns. He also sells swords and whatnot that are more durable and stay sharp longer without sacrificing on weight. These come at a somewhat premium price, however. Due to the markets and how said weapons have been forged by oh so many before and currently, these higher grade weapons do and should cost a pretty penny.
    Yeah we'll probably be between matchlocks and snaplocks or something from a firearms perspective...

    And I'm not entirely sure how a single individual can control a weapons empire at this time though, considering that things like weapons technology were generally pretty darn nationalised until even recently (ie WWI and such).  Royal armouries generally controlled weapons flows, and there wasn't really much of a "production line" or any similar concept, so every weaponsmith had to be insanely skilled, primary innovations related to arms/firepower occurred in these centres, etc.  Now there was trade, but generally the idea of an inventor also doing a business is a much more modern (read: industrial) notion.  States were way more into keeping new developments that were extremely powerful as state secrets/in their own hands.  Even Glass was like solely a Venetian thing for a long time...

    Now tulips, those are a genuine trade item of the 17th century!  :P

    Also this post is to signal that I will also create an application in the near(ish) future probably this weekend
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    Speaker of the 16th Underhusen: 10 June 2016 - 11 August 2016
    Ambassador to Europeia: 5 December 2016 - present
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    Ambassador to The North Pacific: 11 March 2017 - present
    Speaker of the 21st Underhusen: 10 April 2017 - 10 June 2017
    Delegate of Wintreath: 10 June 2017 - 15 March 2020
    Strifa of the 23rd Underhusen: 10 August 2017 - 10 November 2017
    Thane of Ambassadors: 10 October 2018 - 10 December 2018
    Commendation of Wintreath: Sept 24 2020

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    Ne Crustumini quidem atque Antemnates pro ardore iraque Caeninensium satis se impigre movent; ita per se ipsum nomen Caeninum in agrum Romanum impetum facit. Sed effuse vastantibus fit obvius cum exercitu Romulus levique certamine docet vanam sine viribus iram esse.
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  • Oh also question @Laurentus Wintreath is a colonial power I'm assuming?  Like Spain/Portugal/Netherlands/France/UK, etc?
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    Wintreath:
    Citizen: 4 June 2015 - present
    Member of the Hvitt Riddaral: 21 August 2015 - present
    Strifa of the 12th Underhusen: 8 October 2015 - 13 December 2015
    Speaker Pro Tem of the 13th Underhusen: 13 December 2015 - 8 February 2016
    Speaker Pro Tem of the 14th Underhusen: 8 February 2016 - 8 April 2016
    Speaker of the 16th Underhusen: 10 June 2016 - 11 August 2016
    Ambassador to Europeia: 5 December 2016 - present
    RP Guild Councillor: 23 February 2017 - present
    Ambassador to The North Pacific: 11 March 2017 - present
    Speaker of the 21st Underhusen: 10 April 2017 - 10 June 2017
    Delegate of Wintreath: 10 June 2017 - 15 March 2020
    Strifa of the 23rd Underhusen: 10 August 2017 - 10 November 2017
    Thane of Ambassadors: 10 October 2018 - 10 December 2018
    Commendation of Wintreath: Sept 24 2020

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    (I stole this format from tau, but who am I not to copy a great system? :-) )

    Ne Crustumini quidem atque Antemnates pro ardore iraque Caeninensium satis se impigre movent; ita per se ipsum nomen Caeninum in agrum Romanum impetum facit. Sed effuse vastantibus fit obvius cum exercitu Romulus levique certamine docet vanam sine viribus iram esse.
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  • Do also remember that a person skilled with a bow or sword will be able to wield it far more deadlier than guns in this tech era. Guns were unwieldy, slow, loud, released smoke, and prone to failure. Their main advantages at first were the shock power (people/horses were untrained to deal with guns), the fact that you could arm many people quickly with them without taking years of training, and the fact that they worked very well in formation.
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    Ambassador to Balder: 1 December 2016 - 1 March 2022
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  • Do also remember that a person skilled with a bow or sword will be able to wield it far more deadlier than guns in this tech era. Guns were unwieldy, slow, loud, released smoke, and prone to failure. Their main advantages at first were the shock power (people/horses were untrained to deal with guns), the fact that you could arm many people quickly with them without taking years of training, and the fact that they worked very well in formation.
    Agreed.  Not to mention, a crossbow can penetrate most armor, and the bolts can have poison put on the tip.  Firearms of this time period, and even now, cannot have poisoned ammo.
    Keep it down, my head hurts...
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  • Agreed.  Not to mention, a crossbow can penetrate most armor, and the bolts can have poison put on the tip.  Firearms of this time period, and even now, cannot have poisoned ammo.
    Well, not legally (internationally speaking, because of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons) or cost-effectively against infantry, but DU particulate matter originating from American APFSDS tank shells are certainly poisonous.
    For those criticizing poisoning bolts - I'll note that one of the most cost-effective ways they had to do that was to just stick the arrowheads in shit.

    Incidentally, I'm still waiting to know about any naming themes I should go with, because I really don't want to be Aerith Dy'el'Naeron while everyone else is Bob Smith.
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  • Each House would probably have their own naming convention, as I imagine Veleria's to be Latin, or more precisely Roman.

    Religion can possibly play into it, but I'm not sure if there's a central religion. I haven't thought that far, to be honest.
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  • Each House would probably have their own naming convention, as I imagine Veleria's to be Latin, or more precisely Roman.

    Religion can possibly play into it, but I'm not sure if there's a central religion. I haven't thought that far, to be honest.
    Roman is Latin.
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  • Each House would probably have their own naming convention, as I imagine Veleria's to be Latin, or more precisely Roman.
    If it's Latin, it's bad Latin, since we can't really use "Valerius" for proper grammar. :D
    Each House would probably have their own naming convention, as I imagine Veleria's to be Latin, or more precisely Roman.

    Religion can possibly play into it, but I'm not sure if there's a central religion. I haven't thought that far, to be honest.
    Roman is Latin.
    Language wise, yes, but if we're referring to naming as a cultural thing, Roman would be more accurate. Latin can refer to people speaking Romance languages (such as in Latin America), and also the region/tribe which Rome subsumed early in its history.
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    Wintreath:
    Citizen: 8 April 2015 - present
    From the Ashes RP Game Master: 29 November 2015 - 24 July 2018
    Skydande Vakt Marshal: 29 November 2015 - 28 February 2017
    Skrifa of the 13th Underhusen: 13 December 2015 - 8 February 2016
    RP Guild Councillor: 9 February 2016 - 6 March 2018
    Ambassador to Lovely: 23 February 2016 - 17 August 2016
    Werewolf VII co-host: 11 May 2016 - 5 June 2016
    Skrifa of the 18th Underhusen: 8 October 2016 - 7 December 2016
    Ambassador to Balder: 1 December 2016 - 1 March 2022
    Skrifa of the 19th Underhusen: 7 December 2016 - 9 February 2017
    Ambassador to the INWU: 11 March 2017 - 1 March 2022
    Ambassador to the Versutian Federation: 18 August 2017 - 22 March 2018
    Thane of Integration: 29 September 2017 - 7 March 2018
    Speaker of the 24th Underhusen: 10 October 2017 - 7 December 2017
    October 2017 Wintreath's Finest: 4 November 2017
    Speaker pro tempore of the 25th Underhusen: 9 December 2017 - 7 February 2018
    Wintreath's Finest of 2017: 6 January 2018
    Werewolf XIV host: 20 January 2018 - 23 February 2018
    February 2018 Wintreath's Finest: 5 March 2018
    Thane of Embassy Dispatches / Foreign Releases and Information / Foreign Dispatches: 7 March 2018 - 15 March 2020
    Speaker of the 28th Underhusen: 10 June 2018 - 7 August 2018
    Second Patriarch of the Noble House of Valeria: 10 October 2018 - present
    Arena Game 6 Host: 28 December 2018 - 9 March 2019
    Librarian of the Underhusen: 29 January 2019 - 12 February 2019
    Speaker of the 32nd Underhusen: 12 February 2019 - 8 April 2019
    March 2019 Wintreath's Finest: 4 April 2019
    Librarian of the Underhusen: 12 April 2019 - 23 October 2020
    Commendation of Wintreath: 24 September 2020
    Peer of the Overhusen: 9 December 2020 - 8 February 2021
    Vice Chancellor of the Landsraad: 26 May 2021 - 15 September 2022
    Arena Game 8 Host: 10 June 2021 - 19 July 2021
    June 2021 Wintreath's Finest: 5 July 2021
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  • I'm gonna go with something Celt-ish then.
    Peasantry and guildmen, unite!
    Cast out the feudal nobility and seize your freedoms for yourself!
    And then de facto enshrine the merchant class as the new nobility by virtue of wealth instead of blood, but we won't talk about that.

    EDIT: putting the signup here rather than double-posting

    Name: Finglas 'Forktongue', Reeve-Prince of Firdun
    Age: 47
    Gender: Male
    Skills: Civil Administration, Demagoguery, and Espionage
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    Firdun's fortunes have long been assured by virtue of its commanding position; sitting at the southernmost point of the Androx Peninsula, it is a major player in the trade of the southern coast, with ships moving through its port even along the River Maltos to Frostlake itself. The wealth that passes through the city, its relatively secluded position, and the religious differences the city has compared to its neighbors have led over the years to a greater degree of autonomy among the lower classes in the city than perhaps anywhere else, and served as the root of a nascent movement towards self-rule by its freemen. In a move to stave off a massive peasant rebellion decades earlier, this culminated in a royal decree that the city would henceforth be a Free City, whose reeve would be elected by acclamation, not appointed - and which has subsequently led to a lively political life, whose violence has largely been directed inwards at the city's great families, and not outwards at the nobility.

    This, however, changed with the election of Finglas to the reeveship. The thirdborn son of one of the most prolific shipping magnates in the southern reaches, his family's almost obscene wealth, coupled with the gift of the gab and a devious insight into the slights and privations endured by the city's freemen leading to a nearly preternatural gift for rabblerousing, combined to pave the way for election into ever-greater roles in the city's government, culminating in his ascension to the reeveship two decades earlier.
    Since then, he has aggressively expanded the city's influence, going so far as to annex the lands north as far as the Isthmus of Andras, and building the Long Walls across it, ostensibly merely to mark the extent of Firdun's expansionist fervor, but which has been more cynically viewed as the first steps towards rebellion.
    Certainly the cynical perspective has been advanced - three years ago, he proclaimed himself first of the 'reeve-princes', claiming himself the equal to any of Wintreath's princes save by blood, a move which has garnered no small amount of scorn from the nobility (tempered from violence only by the threat of withdrawal of financing and guildman strikes), but which has inspired similar movements in Wintreath's other great cities, and culminated in his proclamation of a United Free Cities, an organization by which the wills of the people might be heard just as loudly as that of the nobility.

    OOC notes:
    I use 'princes' not in the sense of 'prince of the blood', but rather 'ruler of a principality', as in the sense of Princes of the Holy Roman empire.
    I have done my best to adhere to Weissreich's map, although to fit the Celtic flavor I was going with, I changed the name of the port-city while keeping the original name to describe the peninsula it sat upon.
    I also straight-up made up history, and if this flies in the face with as-yet-unwritten canon I can rewrite it whenever. But I tried to create a practical grounds by which the merchant class might rise up into a practical political entity in the face of the entrenched nobility, and hopefully I've done so.
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  • I wouldn't be opposed to the history you've written here, Doc, but do wonder whether something like this wouldn't be more interesting to explore as a reaction to a vacancy on the throne.
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  • I considered that, but I didn't want it to look like it was an opportunistic attempt at independence, rather than just a 'we  are regime loyalists and all, but we want political power too' kind of thing.
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  • Hmm. Fair enough.
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  • Agreed.  Not to mention, a crossbow can penetrate most armor, and the bolts can have poison put on the tip.  Firearms of this time period, and even now, cannot have poisoned ammo.
    Well, not legally (internationally speaking, because of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons) or cost-effectively against infantry, but DU particulate matter originating from American APFSDS tank shells are certainly poisonous.
    For those criticizing poisoning bolts - I'll note that one of the most cost-effective ways they had to do that was to just stick the arrowheads in shit.
    Such law didn't come into effect until more recently. It was still perfectly acceptable to poison arrowheads and crossbow bolts back in the Renaissance. And yes, sticking the arrow in literal feces was very effective and cost nothing to do.
    And I'm not entirely sure how a single individual can control a weapons empire at this time though, considering that things like weapons technology were generally pretty darn nationalised until even recently (ie WWI and such).  Royal armouries generally controlled weapons flows, and there wasn't really much of a "production line" or any similar concept, so every weaponsmith had to be insanely skilled, primary innovations related to arms/firepower occurred in these centres, etc.  Now there was trade, but generally the idea of an inventor also doing a business is a much more modern (read: industrial) notion.  States were way more into keeping new developments that were extremely powerful as state secrets/in their own hands.  Even Glass was like solely a Venetian thing for a long time...
    I see where you're going to with this, but for the sake of interesting plots, I plead the BS flag to not be raised. Also, at no point did I advocate the selling of guns to standard people. That's specifically for armed forces and possibly wealthy merchants as well.
    Do also remember that a person skilled with a bow or sword will be able to wield it far more deadlier than guns in this tech era. Guns were unwieldy, slow, loud, released smoke, and prone to failure. Their main advantages at first were the shock power (people/horses were untrained to deal with guns), the fact that you could arm many people quickly with them without taking years of training, and the fact that they worked very well in formation.
    I'm well aware of this. That's why in the early days of guns soldiers were often equipped with both musket and sword.
    Agreed.  Not to mention, a crossbow can penetrate most armor, and the bolts can have poison put on the tip.  Firearms of this time period, and even now, cannot have poisoned ammo.
    I already explained that muskets would be blocked by armor. They're not the "be all, end all" weapons.
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  • Such law didn't come into effect until more recently. It was still perfectly acceptable to poison arrowheads and crossbow bolts back in the Renaissance.
    Yeah. I know. I was merely pointing out that you absolutely could theoretically have poisoned ammo in the modern day. It would be expensive and illegal, but it's doable.
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