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[PASSED 3-1-0-1] Persona Non Grata Amendment Act.
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Chanku
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    1. This act is to be cited as The Persona Non Grata Amendment Act.

    Amendments
    Section 4 of The Persona Non Grata Act is amended to read:
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    The Monarch shall have the authority to declare any non-Citizen persona non grata.
    Section 5 of The Persona Non Grata  Act is amended to read:
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    The Storting shall have the authority to declare any non-Citizen persona non grata through a supermajority (2/3) vote of both chambers.
    Section 6 is added to The Person Non Grata Act, and the section reads as follows:
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    Both The Monarch and The Sorting can revoke any previous persona non grata declarations, with The Sorting doing this through a supermajority (2/3) vote of both chambers.
    This is now at vote, Skrifa may vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.

    Also sorry for the delay, I was trying to make sure which version was intended to be brought to a vote.
    « Last Edit: September 03, 2018, 05:37:32 PM by Chanku »
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  • I abstain.
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  • Expectedly, I vote Nay.

    I have spoken out about this bill at length during the discussion, and with several people in private. However I still feel that I must expound upon my reason for voting the way I have. First, it violates one of the most fundamental Wintrean Legal principals, the separation of powers between the Monarchy and the Legislature. While the Citizenship revocation does work similarly, it is also a bit different and there are much different circumstances surrounding it. Additionally, it will potentially lead to conflicts and issues between the Monarchy and the Legislature, when there should be none. Additionally back during the Sixth Storting, when this bill was drafted, the Storting had resolved to exclude any form of appeal and codified that the two declarations would be considered separate, while some of the circumstances have changed, I do believe that the general resolution to exclude it is still valid.  Additionally, the Monarch still has a say within the Storting, as the Overhusen represents the Monarchy. Finally, the Monarch utilizes Persona Non Grata declarations as a tool for Diplomacy and protection of the community from external threats. The Storting can not always be privy to information the Monarchy has on someone, and sometimes the Monarchy needs to use it as a form of diplomacy for foreign matters. Additionally the Storting should not legislate in the area of foreign affairs, except for where it is granted the authority explicitly -- such as in Treaties and the declaration of a state of War -- or if it has been asked by the Monarchy directly. As such I can not support, or vote in favor, of this act.

    Additionally, I oppose the two-thirds requirement for passing and rescind a PnG Declaration, even one from the Storting, as it cripples the ability for the Storting to pass or rescind its own PnG declarations. It creates an issue then tries to solve it by allowing the Monarch to rescind them, at least to me.
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  • See you later space cowboy.
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  • Considering that it does not matter if Evan votes or not can we send it to the OH?
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  • Actually if Evan votes it could alter the outcome of the vote, and as such I can't really close it early. If Evan votes against the act the outcome will be a tie, otherwise it will be passed.

    While the eventual outcome would be the same, the mechanism by which it would go to the OH would be different as well, since ties only move to the OH by procedural law. As Evan's vote would, in fact, potentially change the outcome I am not comfortable with closing the vote until the act either passes with any additional vote not effecting the outcome, or two additional days pass.

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  • Screw it, this has been sitting here long enough.

    I change my vote Aye, only because I want to expedite this, not because of any change of heart.
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  • Sorry about the delay, I ended up falling rather sick and wanted to wait until I felt better so I wouldn't accidentally screw up.

    In any case, I hereby declare this as PASSED. It now heads to the Overhusen for a vote. @Wuufu. This will be locked and archived.

    FINAL RESULT
    Aye: 3
    Nay: 1
    Abstain: 0
    Not Voting: 1

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