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I disagree following that logic we shouldn't have the Criminal Code of Laws at all because a good portion of it is shit like Harassment.

Further there should be multiple avenues available for the victims to follow, allowing them to ultimately decide which is best for them.

I think that because there's precedent for it, we should have at least a token law prohibiting sexual harassment. However, the enforcement itself should fall to the Administration.

I do believe the admin rules prohibit harassment, though.

Keep in mind that the Administration rules are entirely separate from the regional law, and punishment can be applied from both.

I disagree following that logic we shouldn't have the Criminal Code of Laws at all because a good portion of it is shit like Harassment.

Further there should be multiple avenues available for the victims to follow, allowing them to ultimately decide which is best for them.

Administrative policy is handled as such due to the potential legal issues in the real world. It is not a subject for the Storting to even go near, let alone attempt to manage. In-character or out of character bullshit like the Criminal Code is irrelevant.

There are very real liabilities and potential legal ramifications involved in running a community. Protecting oneself and the members of the community takes precedence over your inane concept of an RP court, and it's in the best interests of all involved for it to be strictly handled by the administration.

I don't view the court as RP, I view it as a mode for the community to make it's will known. You may view it as RP, but I don't and I doubt Wintermoot does either yet he probably would have done much more actions. He views the laws as binding.

Keep in mind Harassment also has Real world legal issues, yet the Storting has gone near it with the Criminal Code of Laws. Wintreath is an organization with the Government setup to regulate it. Much like real like organizations may have their own procedures for certain things, then the Storting can set them as well.

I don't feel like something like this is really something that should be handled by the community itself. Sexual harassment is a crime, or at very least close enough. With the kind of community that this is, there is nothing for us to discuss about it. It is up to Wintermoot to take the necessary action when a situation arises.

The moment we remove Wintermoot from the loop and instead insist that people who experience sexual harassment or really anything as severe deal with it through some formal process with who knows who involved, they either leave the region or go over everyone's heads and complain to Wintermoot's service providers and then leave the region.

If you want to know who and how someone harasses, go ask the harasser. Sounds wrong, right?

// Joshua really said it well already, but I'll post this anyway. Took so long to get thoughts even this much together. >.<

This would not remove Wintermoot from the loop at all, but allows it to be done in the courts as well as through administration. Which ones the person uses, if not both is up to the person.

I happen to agree fully with Josh and tatte.

If we can handle situations like this without even asking victims to come forward, then that's the way to handle it. 

And what are you going to do with the "accused" before the wheels of bureaucracy inch their way through processing the case?  There's every reason not to let them run around the forums and IRC while waiting for a court case to reach a conclusion, so administration would likely have to take action immediately anyway. Situations like this require quick, decisive action, not a prolonged trial.

If this reaches the Storting, it looks like you already have two Overhusen members who will advocate for matters of this nature to be left entirely to administration instead.

Again the administration can also handle shit on their own pace as well. This does not mean administration can not take action right away, it merely means that a trial may be conducted should it be wished by the victims.

Sexual harassment is far beyond the purview of a make-believe court in a nation-simulation game and community. We're talking about an actual crime here, and as such, it shouldn't come close to our courts, since 1. We won't have any power to actually do anything that couldn't have been done much faster and more tactfully with a straight administrative action; 2. We'd be putting the victim through a public spectacle that should be avoided at all costs, especially since such a court is not like a RL one where the perpetrator will actually be sentenced to some jail time and so forth. Really, this is piling on needless drama to an already shitty situation that can be handled much better in the way it's already been handled.

EDIT: Also unlike a RL court, the perpetrator isn't stuck in a cell until it comes time for a hearing. They'll run around and cause a lot more havoc while such a trial continues. If your response is that they can still pre-emptively get banned before something like that happens, then I counter with this: what is the point of having a trial anyway?

Again the administration can also handle shit on their own pace as well. This does not mean administration can not take action right away, it merely means that a trial may be conducted should it be wished by the victims.

I see both sides to this.

However, keep in mind that any law or policy needs to also take the accused into account. 

Justice needs to be fair and impartial to both sides involved

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Here is the thing though, the filing would ultimately be up to the victim(s) to decide they want to do it themselves. Again administration can still take action itself before, during a trial, or after it regardless of the decision due to the separation of administration and judicial.

Also the whole 'Sexual Harassment is an RL crime thus shouldn't be in there' doesn't hold up due to the fact that so is regular Harassment yet it is rill handled through our courts. Ultimately the thing here is to give a potential option for victims to use if they want. Going to administration or the court means you can still go to the other as well.

I don't see the purpose of involving the court. The Administration can resolve sexual harassment cases by promptly banning the perpetrators.