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You're right. And plus, because the public now knows of the error, they might be more inclined to reject it based on that principle alone.

Overhusen members who have not voted (@Wuufu, @Wintermoot), I implore you to reject the bill so we can amend the error before submitting it to the public. We will then expedite the voting process so it can reach the Overhusen again by this time tomorrow.

I think the prudent thing to do is to go over this bill again in a lot of detail, and point out anything remotely odd/concerning/noticeable. Which means no expedition.

But we need one dedicated time period where all of us are together in order to do that. If we set the debate length to be longer, people will just get around to revising it "whenever" instead of utilizing the immediately pressing concern.

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Or if this is anything like the Underwood education bill, we could sit down, have you delegate from South Carolina, and have us analyze the whole bill line by line with the heads of the teachers' unions. But that's still pressing for time.

Well, we don't have to go over a monstrous tome such as that education bill, we just have to fix a few lines.

And I'm not saying we should extend debate, but we should at the very least use that two-day debate period to its fullest extent and each try to come up with some sort of potential problem.

...how did we all miss that? Guess it's time I read through it another ten more times.

If y'all want I'll read through it and point out anything...even though I dislike this bill a lot...

Going by the bill located at the start of this thread, I noticed there are many things missing...

1) Either Section 12 of Article I in the amendment should be stricken out OR we should remove initiatives, as the initiatives become useless at that point...

2) Sections 13 and 14 of Article I should be removed, they serve no purpose and are a bit confusing, given that the entire Storting is the citizenry in this model. It's useless here.

3) Section 13 should be added into Article III as located in the amendment.

Also the layout of the amendment is...odd. Mainly the fact that the changes should probably not just go over the ENTIRE Article, but only the affected Sections of the Articles. Provides a better catalog of changes when going back and reviewing changes.

EDIT: Also we need to fix the recalls to focus on the Officers of the UH, not Skrifa :\

Use this version of the bill:

The Storting Reformation Amendment Act

1. Article I of the Fundamental Laws shall be amended as follows:

Article I: The Storting

1. The legislative authorities and duties of Wintreath shall be vested in a unicameral legislature called the Storting.

Membership of the Storting
2. The Storting shall consist of all Citizens of Wintreath.

3. The Storting shall have the authority to suspend a member's voting rights for a period of no more than three months at a time with a 3/4 supermajority vote of those voting. At the conclusion of the three-month period, the Storting may consider an additional suspension.

Storting Officers
4. The Speaker shall serve as Presiding Officer of the Storting.

5. The Storting shall have the right to create, modify, and remove any other Officer positions. The Storting shall have the authority to delegate duties to these Officers, except for those duties which require the full participation of the Storting.

6. All Officer positions shall come up for election on the first day of January, April, July, and October, and elections shall last for a period of seven days, after which the winners shall take their Offices. All Citizens whose voting rights are not suspended as of the end of the election may run for any Officer position.

The Legislative Process
7. All legislation shall be introduced in the Storting, which shall have the right to discuss and amend the legislation before putting it to a vote. Unless specified otherwise in this document, legislation shall pass the Storting by majority vote of those voting.

8. Upon passage by the Storting, the Speaker shall present the legislation to the Monarch for Royal Assent. Legislation signed by the Monarch shall become law immediately, while legislation vetoed by the Monarch shall not become law unless the Storting votes to override the veto with a 2/3 supermajority vote of those voting. In the event that the Monarch neither signs or vetoes the legislation, it shall become law one week after passage by the Storting.

9. Legislation concerning matters subject to alternative approval methods as approved by both the Storting and Monarch (or the previous Overhusen chamber) shall be exempt from Section 6 and instead follow the methods specified in the relevant legislation. Legislation concerning the Procedural Rules of the Storting, the voting rights of members, and Officers of the Storting shall also be exempt from Section 6 and shall be considered law upon passage by the Storting.

Authorities and Duties of the Storting
10. The Storting shall have the authority to pass legislation, repeal previously passed legislation, propose amendments to these Fundamental Laws, and take any other action deemed necessary and proper to execute the authorities and duties vested in the Storting by these Fundamental Laws.

11. The Storting shall have the authority to create and revise their own procedural rules.

12. The Storting shall have the authority to declare war upon another region or organization.

13. The Storting shall have the authority to ratify or reject treaties with other regions and organizations.

14. The Storting shall have the authority to issue non-binding resolutions expressing the opinion of the Storting in relation to all matters.

15. The Storting shall have the authority to interpret these Fundamental Laws and statutory laws and consider the constitutionality over laws brought before the Storting, determine rulings and verdicts in regard to violations of these laws, and determine punishments for violations of these laws within the parameters of these Fundamental Laws and any other laws.

16. The Storting shall have the authority to issue advisory opinions on matters of constitutionality and legality to anyone whom the Storting has determined has standing to seek an advisory opinion.

17. The Storting shall have the authority to create and revise the rules of judicial proceedings for judicial panels.

2. Article III Section 1 of the Fundamental Laws shall be amended as follows:

1. Upon the filing of cases within the Storting, a judicial panel shall convene to determine whether to accept the case and then to make an initial ruling if the case is accepted. The judicial panel shall be presided over by the Monarch or their designee as Chief Justice, and the Speaker of the Storting and a random Citizen who has voted in the last four votes of the Storting shall serve as Associate Justices. In the event that no Citizen has participated in the last four votes, a random Citizen from those who have participated in the most consecutive votes including the last shall be chosen instead.

3. Article IV Section 2 of the Fundamental Laws shall be amended as follows:

2. Elections shall follow the optional preferential voting system, and the results shall be determined by either via instant runoff in single-seat positions or single transferable vote in multi-seat positions. Elections shall be overseen by the Monarch or the Monarch's designee. No person shall oversee an election in which they are running.

3. Article IV Sections 4-6 of the Fundamental Laws shall be removed, and subsequent sections renumbered accordingly.

4. Article VII shall be amended as follows:

1. No section under Administration may be amended without the consent of The Winter Nomad.

2.The Storting shall have the authority to propose amendments to these Fundamental Laws by a two-thirds supermajority vote of those voting, after which amendments shall require consent of the Monarch to be considered ratified.

5. Upon ratification, this Amendment shall go into effect on 8 April 2016, with Speaker elections beginning one week prior.

The only change I made was the one to fix the awkward wording "has" to "who have".

Even using that my issues still stand. :\

I'm just trying to find out where the problems you're locating are.

If you compare with the Current FL.

The first two are in Section 1 of the amendment. :\

14 and 16? Those are the only ones where I notice possible redundancies.

Ah yeah sorry. I mean 14, 15, and 16

14. The Storting shall have the authority to issue non-binding resolutions expressing the opinion of the Storting in relation to all matters.

15. The Storting shall have the authority to interpret these Fundamental Laws and statutory laws and consider the constitutionality over laws brought before the Storting, determine rulings and verdicts in regard to violations of these laws, and determine punishments for violations of these laws within the parameters of these Fundamental Laws and any other laws.

16. The Storting shall have the authority to issue advisory opinions on matters of constitutionality and legality to anyone whom the Storting has determined has standing to seek an advisory opinion.

15 and 16 should either be deleted or added to Article III.

14 should be deleted or we should remove the current initiative process in our current Funamental Laws as it is redundant.

We should also fix our Recall procedure.

The initiative process is already removed. This bill completely guts Article I and rewrites it, thereby removing the process of recall (by replacing it with a suspension of voting rights) and initiative.

Initiatives and Recalls aren't under Article I though, it's Article IV...