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Barnes
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  • Perhaps the lack of punctuation implies that both are to occur, because they couldn't decide on a single option.
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  • We don't want to be bound to the members, but to the institution. Or perhaps we do want to be bound to the members, as the legitimate government of the institution.

    But anyway, "other's" is singular, while "others'" is plural. So they refer to different things.

    EDIT: Never mind, I've just remembered something I've long forgotten about English. There is no such thing as "each others'". There is only "each other's," since the word "each" can only be followed by the singular. You can't say "each boys'" for instance. So just correct the mistake in our treaty by adding the apostrophe and ask them to do the same.
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    « Last Edit: February 16, 2016, 04:59:29 PM by Laurentus »
    In die donker ure skink net duiwels nog 'n dop, 
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  • We don't want to be bound to the members, but to the institution. Or perhaps we do want to be bound to the members, as the legitimate government of the institution.

    But anyway, "other's" is singular, while "others'" is plural. So they refer to different things.
    With both meanings we'd be obligated to protect both INWU and its vassals, and the vassals or regions of its members.  That's the problem that we have with ambiguity here, correct? 
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    Laurentus
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  • Read my edit. I think the rest of the treaty does a good job of removing the ambiguity of what the "other's" refers to.
    In die donker ure skink net duiwels nog 'n dop, 
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  • In the case of the treaty the 'parties' are the governments of Wintreath and INWU, so any clauses refer to their rights and obligations. I'm not sure what their process is for correcting spelling and grammar in legislation, but asking a region to re-ratify a treaty is a not a small thing. I would prefer not to do it unless it's absolutely necessary.
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    Laurentus
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  • Lol, read my edit. If they have an easy method of editing their laws, it would be best, but I've just discovered it can only mean one thing anyway, and with the context of the rest of the treaty, the "other's" is pretty clear anyway.
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    In die donker ure skink net duiwels nog 'n dop, 
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  • Next time an omnibus correction bill goes through, can we please correct section 3.1 of the Citizenship and Demonym Act?  The Paragon Recognition Omnibus Amendment Act contained this error, so technically the Storting doesn't have any authority to recognize Paragons.  Only the Storing can, whatever that is.
    Quote from: Citizenship and Demonym Act
    3.1 The Storing shall have the authority to recognize any previous or current Citizen as a Paragon of Wintreath if it feels the individual was an essential of member of the regional community, or performed invaluable service to the region, and/or otherwise embodied the principles, values, culture, or honour of the region.

    (On a semi-related note, the image link for the Wintreath Commendation within the Wintreath  Commendation Act isn't working for me.)


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    Michi
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  • Next time an omnibus correction bill goes through, can we please correct section 3.1 of the Citizenship and Demonym Act?  The Paragon Recognition Omnibus Amendment Act contained this error, so technically the Storting doesn't have any authority to recognize Paragons.  Only the Storing can, whatever that is.
    Quote from: Citizenship and Demonym Act
    3.1 The Storing shall have the authority to recognize any previous or current Citizen as a Paragon of Wintreath if it feels the individual was an essential of member of the regional community, or performed invaluable service to the region, and/or otherwise embodied the principles, values, culture, or honour of the region.

    (On a semi-related note, the image link for the Wintreath Commendation within the Wintreath  Commendation Act isn't working for me.)

    I'd also advise removing the underlined part, since there are those including WM himself that feel it should be given only to former citizens.
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    Laurentus
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  • Hmm, could the UH perhaps change the Commendation system so as to allow a commended person to be free from the normal rules that apply to Citizens? And THEN commend Pengu? :P

    Basically adapting an already existing law so that it becomes the Active Citizen equivalent of the Paragon Act.

    Also, while we're having this discussion, I must say the name Paragon is itself misleading.

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    paragon - /ˈparəɡ(ə)n/
    noun
    1. a person or thing regarded as a perfect
    example of a particular quality.

    At this point, it would make more sense for that law to be amended to change the name back to Honorary Citizens (Perhaps Alumnus Honoris if we want to use some sexy Latin) and remove the part about current citizens, and explicitly state it's only for previous citizens.

    Paragon, as used in Dragon Age lore, is perfectly suited for what we actually tried to do with Pengu now. So we could perhaps even leave the Commendation laws as they are, and after changing the honorary citizen laws again to reflect their actual intent, create a completely new reward the Storting may bestow and call THAT the Paragon Act. We could even add in a provision for any Alumnus Honoris to automatically become a Paragon if he/she ever becomes active again.
    In die donker ure skink net duiwels nog 'n dop, 
    Satan sit saam sy kinders en kyk hoe kom die son op. 
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  • But I understand the reasoning, since Paragon is essentially a God, and gods are beings that are honored even though they're not among those who honor them.

    Even in DA, wasn't the only current living Paragon the woman who ran off, became mad with power, and was killed?

    If anything, keep the Paragon system the way Moot originally entailed it, and the Wintreath Commedation can be called something equally prestigious that captures the meaning of what the Commendation is supposed to encompass.
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    Laurentus
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  • A paragon is considered a living ancestor, so it can't be awarded posthumously by the dwarves. Sure, when that paragon dies, they are thought of more highly than any regular old ancestor, and the noble families are all the descendants of paragons, but to actually gain the title of paragon, you have to be currently living.
    In die donker ure skink net duiwels nog 'n dop, 
    Satan sit saam sy kinders en kyk hoe kom die son op. 
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    Michi
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  • Well to keep it in the Norse/Nordic-ish tradition, a possible name could be the Välkänd (Famous/Reknown/Celebrated).

    I just have a feeling that Paragon is going to end up keeping the definition it was intended for on here.  :P


    « Last Edit: February 17, 2016, 06:43:53 AM by Pengu »
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  • So as I understand it, there are two awards that can be granted to citizens by the Storting: Paragon and Wintreath Commendation, the former being an honorary citizenship and mask given to very important citizens who have fallen inactive and the latter an award recognizing active citizens that can be put in their signature, right?

    Since Paragon can now definitely only be given to inactive members, it would make sense to give Pengu the Wintreath Commendation. Should we perhaps revive and update the Wintreath Commendation Act and give it a snappy new name (such as Pengu's suggestions) and signature display (since the old one doesn't appear)?

    Anything else we can do to make it seem more prestigious?

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    Barnes
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  • I don't recall Wintreath having given out the Commendation in quite a while. That in itself is prestigious enough. Therefore I suggest we repurpose our Paragon bill as a Commendation bill. However, we ought to update that signature display.
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