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Aragonn
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  • Thank you. And I trust Laurentus's judgement when it comes to Mass Effect tech. You're probably gonna have to start with some non-sentient drones and eventually research Geth.
    Star Wars droids are pretty sentient, though, or at least have high AI level. And networking between multiple computers to create a more powerful system is a thing that's achievable and done in real life. I don't see why this is a problem.
    It's a problem because we're linking multiple androids together so they can figure out how to demolish enemy lines. This isn't codebreaking or hacking. This is fighting on the battlefield.
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    taulover
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  • It's a problem because we're linking multiple androids together so they can figure out how to demolish enemy lines. This isn't codebreaking or hacking. This is fighting on the battlefield.
    So what are people going to do, make AI that doesn't communicate with each other?

    You might as well send in gagged soldiers with no access to radio, so that they can't figure out together how to demolish enemy lines.
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    Laurentus
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  • The geth, at this early stage in the RP, would completely decimate us, because all of them are linked together across the galaxy to form an omniscient supermind. We're not talking just any old AI, we're talking something that could wipe out organics if they wanted to.

    In Mass Effect lore, pretty much the only reason the Geth don't try to conquer organics (pre-Sovereign, of course) is because they are actually quite peace-loving and refuse to be used as weapons. For that reason, it would be strange to use them as weapons like Hydra is planning anyway. The Heretics (Geth influenced by the reaper Sovereign) are a different story, but their goal is to wipe out organics anyway, and so they wouldn't fight with human forces either.

    Hydra could of course have primitive geth, but then things like Colossi would be out, since the Geth built more and more complex units themselves over time. But no, a Collosus isn't a titan level construct. It's a tough son of a bitch, but it can be brought down with conventional weaponry and tech skills. Its Element Zero weapon is something I'm less sure about though. That thing rapes.

    But don't take my word for its size, here is a picture:

    The large one in the middle is a colossus, compared to a human-sized mech to the left.
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    Aragonn
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  • It's a problem because we're linking multiple androids together so they can figure out how to demolish enemy lines. This isn't codebreaking or hacking. This is fighting on the battlefield.
    So what are people going to do, make AI that doesn't communicate with each other?

    You might as well send in gagged soldiers with no access to radio, so that they can't figure out together how to demolish enemy lines.
    There's a difference between using radios for verbal communication and linking minds together for instantaneous transfer of thoughts.
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    taulover
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  • The geth, at this early stage in the RP, would completely decimate us, because all of them are linked together across the galaxy to form an omniscient supermind. We're not talking just any old AI, we're talking something that could wipe out organics if they wanted to.
    Ah, thank you for clearing this up.

    I'm also surprised that Aragonn never took issue with my drones and droids, considering their descriptions.
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    Aragonn
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  • The geth, at this early stage in the RP, would completely decimate us, because all of them are linked together across the galaxy to form an omniscient supermind. We're not talking just any old AI, we're talking something that could wipe out organics if they wanted to.
    Ah, thank you for clearing this up.

    I'm also surprised that Aragonn never took issue with my drones and droids, considering their descriptions.
    I haven't looked at them yet... :-\
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    taulover
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  • Separatist battle droids already coordinate via a central computer. If you combine that with better decentralized AI (since Separatist battle droids were designed with lower AI due to cost concerns), you end up with droids with decent AI communicating and coordinating with each other, whether that's over a central computer or not.
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    Aragonn
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  • Separatist battle droids already coordinate via a central computer. If you combine that with better decentralized AI (since Separatist battle droids were designed with lower AI due to cost concerns), you end up with droids with decent AI communicating and coordinating with each other, whether that's over a central computer or not.
    That's every Droid taking orders from a central computer, not every Droid being a part of a much larger and massively more powerful computer.
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    BraveSirRobin
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  • Separatist battle droids already coordinate via a central computer. If you combine that with better decentralized AI (since Separatist battle droids were designed with lower AI due to cost concerns), you end up with droids with decent AI communicating and coordinating with each other, whether that's over a central computer or not.
    That's every Droid taking orders from a central computer, not every Droid being a part of a much larger and massively more powerful computer.
    Yeah I'm with Aragonn here... I've got battle droids, too, but battle droids aren't AI.  They receive instructions from a central control computer, and that computer isn't sentient, it's just a very powerful computer. 
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    added a new type of fighter to my roster.
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  • Separatist battle droids already coordinate via a central computer. If you combine that with better decentralized AI (since Separatist battle droids were designed with lower AI due to cost concerns), you end up with droids with decent AI communicating and coordinating with each other, whether that's over a central computer or not.
    That's every Droid taking orders from a central computer, not every Droid being a part of a much larger and massively more powerful computer.
    Yeah I'm with Aragonn here... I've got battle droids, too, but battle droids aren't AI.  They receive instructions from a central control computer, and that computer isn't sentient, it's just a very powerful computer.
    But it's clear that the poor AI in Separatist battle droids is caused by cost concerns, since there are other droids that obviously have a higher level of intelligence.

    Of course, the system I was imagining for my battle droids didn't actually involve AGI; it was more of a "powerful computer" type of AI, not the "sentient" (the sci-fi definition, of course, not the actual one) type.
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    Lord of Propaganda: 16 November 2014 - present
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    Hydra
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  • Could someone check my edited factbook and list any changes that still need to be made? Thanks! :P
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    Aragonn
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  • Could someone check my edited factbook and list any changes that still need to be made? Thanks! :P
    Aside from your main battle tank having a laser cannon and two railguns, looks great. You can keep that though. You just shouldn't have a whole lot of them since they're so big and powerful, right? And I was thinking that vehicle and personal shielding would be something to research. @taulover Am I right?

    Just out of curiosity, what caliber were you planning on making those railguns on your tanks? I put calibers on all of my railguns like a nerd.
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    BraveSirRobin
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  • I think that I may have ran out of room in my factbook post... is there a limit to how large a single post can be? 
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    Wintreath:
    Citizen: 4 June 2015 - present
    Member of the Hvitt Riddaral: 21 August 2015 - present
    Strifa of the 12th Underhusen: 8 October 2015 - 13 December 2015
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    Speaker Pro Tem of the 14th Underhusen: 8 February 2016 - 8 April 2016
    Speaker of the 16th Underhusen: 10 June 2016 - 11 August 2016
    Ambassador to Europeia: 5 December 2016 - present
    RP Guild Councillor: 23 February 2017 - present
    Ambassador to The North Pacific: 11 March 2017 - present
    Speaker of the 21st Underhusen: 10 April 2017 - 10 June 2017
    Delegate of Wintreath: 10 June 2017 - 15 March 2020
    Strifa of the 23rd Underhusen: 10 August 2017 - 10 November 2017
    Thane of Ambassadors: 10 October 2018 - 10 December 2018
    Commendation of Wintreath: Sept 24 2020

    New Hyperion:
    Citizen: 27 November 2015 - present
    Patrician: 12 January 2016 - present
    Lord of Development: 5 February 2016 - present


    (I stole this format from tau, but who am I not to copy a great system? :-) )

    Ne Crustumini quidem atque Antemnates pro ardore iraque Caeninensium satis se impigre movent; ita per se ipsum nomen Caeninum in agrum Romanum impetum facit. Sed effuse vastantibus fit obvius cum exercitu Romulus levique certamine docet vanam sine viribus iram esse.
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    Laurentus
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  • Huh. That's a good question. I've never quite broken a system with a factbook as large as the ones some people come up with.

    Let's ask @Wintermoot.
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