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Hillary enabled Bill's sexual misconduct/rape and is known to have mocked and attacked a 12 year old rape victim of one of her clients. And you fail to understand that we already have a viable alternative to the saudis: the hashemites. Much more moderate and would be eternally grateful for getting their ancestral home back. Much like Libya and Afghanistan, everything would be better if we simply restored an old monarchy as a unifying force, if only the fuckwits in power didn't have an unexplainable hard on for republicanism.

Hillary enabled Bill's sexual misconduct/rape and is known to have mocked and attacked a 12 year old rape victim of one of her clients.

My personal theory is that Hillary and Bill both know that their marriage is a political one, and Hillary lets Bill have his affairs as long as he keeps them on the low. The only confirmed Clinton affairs were completely consensual and IMO fine (the denial of it isn't acceptable of course, though it is understandable, and is ancient history at this point).

As for the bullshit allegations that Hillary Clinton tried to silence/intimidate the alleged rape victims:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/11/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-bill-clinton-accusers/

And in the 12-year-old rape victim case, Hillary Rodham was appointed to the case, and tried to get out of defending the alleged rapist. Everyone has and should have a fair trial, even the lowest scum of society, and it makes sense that Hillary Clinton would defend the rapist to the best of her abilities.
http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-freed-child-rapist-laughed-about-it/

And you fail to understand that we already have a viable alternative to the saudis: the hashemites. Much more moderate and would be eternally grateful for getting their ancestral home back. Much like Libya and Afghanistan, everything would be better if we simply restored an old monarchy as a unifying force, if only the fuckwits in power didn't have an unexplainable hard on for republicanism.

Which Hashemites would take Saudi Arabia after a collapse? I doubt the Jordanians would like to inherit a war-torn territory ripe for ethnic conflict. And some random Hashemite pretender with little or no political experience would probably not be a good choice either.

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I had another dream last night...this time, we were like in the apocalypse, and I was leading a team of scientists categorizing the changes that had happened because of it...basically a lot of mutated creatures, like I remember ants with giant teeth and things that looked more like dinosaurs than anything else. The weird thing is that the only person that we had protecting us was a former member from here, Denth Kasten.

The weirder thing is that while I was napping tonight he showed up in chat for the first time in like two years.

But that was pretty much how the day went. It wasn't necessarily good or bad...really, it was a mixed bag, but overall it was just weird. Meetings that usually run short ran for hours today, issues seemed to drag out...why I didn't get my full 10,000 steps today...and to be honest this political discussion we had here is kinda weird for the region. But it was the first really nice, cloudy, rainy, cool fall day today, and although I didn't get a good night's sleep last night (I don't know why I try getting 8 hours), it was a nice nap...so I guess it all evened out.

My bed smells like pee, I thought I was more careful

I've become a citizen of a cesspool of degenerates? Must be karma. The best way, I believe, to combat the misperception would be to interact globally, putting our best foot forward and showing others that we are good people. If everyone became an ambassador of goodwill to one other region and stopped by their charge daily to say hi, making a good impression every time, others wouldnt believe negative remarks about Wintreath when they heard them. Just my two ¢. I'd be happy to be a good will ambassadress to Spiritus, if you'd like

We had peoplr here with foreign policy experience but no one made an attempt to go on a diplomatic charm offensive.

Other people that I spoke with seem turned off with the fact that people sometimes openly talk about sex, etc., especially with minors present.  Their description, not mine.

A fellow conservative friend who took a look at the region felt that it was primarily full of liberals who preferred political correctness and safe spaces.  He did not view the region as friendly to anyone who was right wing so he ignored joining it.

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Hillary enabled Bill's sexual misconduct/rape and is known to have mocked and attacked a 12 year old rape victim of one of her clients.

My personal theory is that Hillary and Bill both know that their marriage is a political one, and Hillary lets Bill have his affairs as long as he keeps them on the low. The only confirmed Clinton affairs were completely consensual and IMO fine (the denial of it isn't acceptable of course, though it is understandable, and is ancient history at this point).

As for the bullshit allegations that Hillary Clinton tried to silence/intimidate the alleged rape victims:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/11/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-bill-clinton-accusers/

And in the 12-year-old rape victim case, Hillary Rodham was appointed to the case, and tried to get out of defending the alleged rapist. Everyone has and should have a fair trial, even the lowest scum of society, and it makes sense that Hillary Clinton would defend the rapist to the best of her abilities.
http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-freed-child-rapist-laughed-about-it/

And you fail to understand that we already have a viable alternative to the saudis: the hashemites. Much more moderate and would be eternally grateful for getting their ancestral home back. Much like Libya and Afghanistan, everything would be better if we simply restored an old monarchy as a unifying force, if only the fuckwits in power didn't have an unexplainable hard on for republicanism.

Which Hashemites would take Saudi Arabia after a collapse? I doubt the Jordanians would like to inherit a war-torn territory ripe for ethnic conflict. And some random Hashemite pretender with little or no political experience would probably not be a good choice either.

>believing the Clinton News Network
Kek
I highly doubt there would be any ethnic conflict on account of the fact that there is absolutely none there now. And trust me, it's not like they could set the bar any lower.

I've become a citizen of a cesspool of degenerates? Must be karma. The best way, I believe, to combat the misperception would be to interact globally, putting our best foot forward and showing others that we are good people. If everyone became an ambassador of goodwill to one other region and stopped by their charge daily to say hi, making a good impression every time, others wouldnt believe negative remarks about Wintreath when they heard them. Just my two ¢. I'd be happy to be a good will ambassadress to Spiritus, if you'd like

We had peoplr here with foreign policy experience but no one made an attempt to go on a diplomatic charm offensive.

Other people that I spoke with seem turned off with the fact that people sometimes openly talk about sex, etc., especially with minors present.  Their description, not mine.

A fellow conservative friend who took a look at the region felt that it was primarily full of liberals who preferred political correctness and safe spaces.  He did not view the region as friendly to anyone who was right wing so he ignored joining it.

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I have talked to lots of people from different regions, most come away with the impression that I am at least a reasonable/nice person, though when they know what region I am from they often gain the assumption that I am a nice person in a horrible region I have had a few people I know tell me to leave, or just laugh when I try and say it's not what they think.

But it's not so bad, it doesn't stifle most things, most people don't care it's only every now and again you come across someone. I don't think most people believe all the negative rhetoric, but the people that do, and the people that spread it are often quite influential. I would pay it no mind.

And that's one of the issues with NS and with gameplay in particular...it's very cliquey, and there's this clique of 'quite influential' people that are all friends on some level and spread this shit, but on the flip side they're the people I wouldn't want here anyway...they're mostly the same people who join regions to manipulate their politics, push their gameplay agenda, or start drama in general. Their real problem with the region is that we won't bend to their will like many other regions do...notice that with many of them, when using our name has some use to their agenda they suddenly have great things to say about Wintreath.

Outside of this group, other than the case I mentioned earlier here, the only thing that I'm aware of that's caused people to leave or not join is our relationship with Gov, which quite frankly probably is the source of a great deal of our reputation...to this day I don't know if the allegations against him are true or not (at this point his haters seem to mostly be people that weren't around at the time and peddle around gossip), but whether it's due to that or due to his poor behaviour in general, he's probably one of the most reviled people in NationStates. Having to continuosly defend him, his rights as a Citizen, and his right to participate along with other Citizens in things that involved other regions was like constantly shooting ourselves in the foot, although I still believe it was the right thing to do...it was the level of protection that any lawful Citizen should get from their region.

But sometimes doing the right thing doesn't make you any friends.

Well, in spite of all that, I've reopened the Wintreath Embassy on the Spiritus forums. They were very welcoming. Tim's comment about my request was "has hell frozen over?" before happily fulfilling my request.

>believing the Clinton News Network
Kek

When you start simply accusing media for supposed bias instead of actually addressing its points, we start having a problem. In any case, it's a fucking opinion essay. Of course it has bias.

Since you seem unwilling to count the evidence in an essay simply because it's from a supposedly biased MSM source, let me spell it out for you: the only evidence we have of Hillary Clinton threatening the alleged rape victims are alleged conversations in which it's still a stretch to interpret the dialogue as a threat. Only in one case is Hillary directly involved in this alleged threat, and that person had earlier claimed that nobody threatened her.

Anyway, this is a case of false equivalence: one person allegedly tried to protect her spouse's reputation, while the other is very likely a rapist.

I highly doubt there would be any ethnic conflict on account of the fact that there is absolutely none there now. And trust me, it's not like they could set the bar any lower.

Fine then, not ethnic conflict, but definitely conflict because of fundamentalists unwilling to accept a moderate monarch, not to mention the war necessary to carry out such a monarchist restoration. In any case, you ignore my point, which is that the Jordanians have a pretty nice thing going on in their country and I doubt they'd want to change that by annexing a shithole. It's just like Korean reunification: everyone supports it on paper, but it'd be a clusterfuck to actually carry out.

Wow, I don't think I've seen taulover so forceful on a topic before. He's hyped.

When tau sees something that makes no sense to him, he can be vocal. He gives no quarter then.

Mmm, I like it.