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  • Ohh! Bandwagoning! This is what I do best!
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    I just noticed that three of us bandwagoned with Laurentus's misspelling of Aaron Specter's name. Thought that was funny.
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    Colberius X
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  • Clearly, Laurentus has asserted his dominance over this game.  That makes him the alpha male... He must be a wolf.  :P
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    Laurentus
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  • Were you expecting anything else, Colby? I went from plebeian to Chancellor in less than 2 months, after all! :P

    I hereby declare that Wintreath belongs to me, and any resistance to my coup liberation will be met with severe consequences. :P

    Oh, and Tau, because you just corrected me, you'll be on my dinner plate tonight. *mouth starts to water as I start giving a wolfish grin*
    « Last Edit: March 11, 2015, 05:42:30 PM by Laurentus »
    In die donker ure skink net duiwels nog 'n dop, 
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  • I apologise for not being more active this round. Clearly I've made a commitment to the game and should be seeing it through the best I can. Most of you will see this as a lame excuse but I'm still in education and my exams are fast approaching so usually weekdays are more stressful for me than weekends, where I have more spare time.

    In fact, let's make this a group activity. Everyone answer the same question. Failure to comply will be met with raised eyebrows. :P

    You weren't kidding about those raised eyebrows.

    I'm pretty suspicious due to my apparent aggression seen in the last phase. There was some logical inconsistency in my wolf hunting ways, allegedly, so I guess there's that.

    In my defence I'd like to say that I was being aggressive because I didn't want us to slide into 'random vote, let's see where that gets us'. Instead I wanted to work off the material given to us if some logic was thrown in. If you look back, a lot of the argumentation that came up last phase stemmed from my initial post.

    I don't know if this counts, but I enquired about the technicalities of the wolf team earlier. Why would I have done that if I was a wolf, since I'd already know how it works? And even if I wasn't sure, as a wolf, I could have just asked via PM? The truth is I've been trying to suss out the wolves from Day 1.

    I'm not the one who chose to change his vote in a blitz in the final few hours of the last phase. I'm not the one blindly following the lead of one of the blitzers who lynched TCL. Why isn't anyone questioning why aternox, Sapphiron and Laurentus did what they did, especially after aternox and Sapphiron in particular explicitly said they did not want to lynch inactive players?


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    Sapphiron said they were against lynching inactive players as it gave the werewolves a good excuse. I think this is a good point, but at the same time it means we should be lynching the active players who are more of a threat to the werewolves.

    I don't support the proposal to lynch the inactive players. Not only will this contribute to a lazy environment, it will also absolve the Werewolves of responsibility for any mislynch since such a strategy validates the use of "(s)he deserves it since (s)he is inactive".

    I doubt there's long enough for people to switch their vote even if they wanted to, but here's my theory. Either Laurentus and Sapphiron are the wolf team (look again at their team efforts this phase) or it's Amalya and aternox. Besides Laurentus and Sapphiron, Amalya and aternox have been the most suspicious players, in my opinion, especially when you look at Amalya's bandwagoning record. I wouldn't mix one pair of players with another because of the fact there's been a lot of cross-voting and accusing between the two of them. I guess Sapphiron's rule 4 hint could be to show that she as a seer scanned Laurentus and knows he's OK so has trusted him since. Amalya and aternox have both acted as opportunists in certain ways throughout the game, just more quietly than Laurentus and Sapphiron.

    Out of all of them I'm not sure who's most likely to be a wolf, but because I'm sure this'll be a symbolic vote anyway, I'm voting aternox, purely for the antics pulled at the end of last phase.

    Vote: Send aternox to the Duel

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  • Why isn't anyone questioning why aternox, Sapphiron and Laurentus did what they did, especially after aternox and Sapphiron in particular explicitly said they did not want to lynch inactive players?
    I will respond to this portion before I go to bed. Indeed, I have explicitly stated that I have no intention to lynch inactive players. However, you are not an inactive player. Everyone have witnessed you displaying high levels of activity in the previous day phase, which is exactly the reason why I labelled it as "an inconsistency in terms of behavior".

    By the way, don't worry about the time factor as of yet. We still have 7 hours to go.

    Edit: Nevermind, I think I have just confused myself. If you were referring to me switching my vote to lynch The Candy Lane, I believe I mentioned earlier that it was because I wanted to ensure minimal chance of mislynch in the face of time constraint. An added bonus would be that Laurentus would be lynched instead if whatever happened the previous day phase had not occurred.

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    The only reason why I had agreed to accept aternox's proposal to shift the vote to a player who would be modkilled by the end of the day phase was because I wanted to ensure minimal chance of mislynch in the face of time constraint. To be honest, if we still had around a day or so for discussion, I would never have agreed to change my vote that was made after much hesitation. Alas, desperate times call for desperate measures.
    « Last Edit: March 11, 2015, 06:25:18 PM by Sapphiron »
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  • ~Double Post~
    « Last Edit: March 11, 2015, 06:25:05 PM by Sapphiron »
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  • If you are a villager, I'll be sorry to see you go, and take some of the things you said into consideration. I am however about 70% certain that neither Amalya, Sapphiron or Aternox are werewolves.

    Also, just a question, Aaron, but why do you think everyone is going along with this vote, and why is there relative peace between Aternox and me? I also find it ironic that you now say Aternox and Amalya are suspicious when you rejected that idea quite heavily yesterday.
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  • If you are a villager, I'll be sorry to see you go, and take some of the things you said into consideration. I am however about 70% certain that neither Amalya, Sapphiron or Aternox are werewolves.

    Also, just a question, Aaron, but why do you think everyone is going along with this vote, and why is there relative peace between Aternox and me? I also find it ironic that you now say Aternox and Amalya are suspicious when you rejected that idea quite heavily yesterday.

    Bandwagon for bandwagon's sakes? aternox, tau and Amalya offered little to no indication of even caring about their vote, and it looks like you or someone else could've started a wagon on any person and they would have gone along with it in the same way. This is the same reason I'd give for aternox not particularly caring about you - if he is a wolf he's getting a free lynch here. Sapphiron, as you know, I believe to be in cahoots with you in some way, so not completely surprised there. Sauron, not sure how to read, since he's had maybe one or two posts of substance in this game, but they're the same general reason stated previously, namely, my comparative inactivity this phase.

    I'm not sure I remember 'rejecting' the idea that aternox and Amalya were suspicious yesterday. But I've noted Amalya has gone along with just about any lynch that seems to be gathering momentum, and adding nothing to overall conversation. aternox only got into the spotlight for me at the end of the last phase (2 days ago?) with the blitz on TCL, the main thing that changed my mind. I did appear to 'defend' him on one count, but that's only because I seem to (still) be interpreting his post in a different way to everyone else. And anyway, we don't need to go through the whole 'allowed to change your mind' thing again, do we?

    This game overall has been too weird. I'd put it on the fact that some goodies knowing each other and some wolves knowing each other puts a very awkward dynamic into the game, particularly for goodies with no powers. On top of that, for whatever reasons, there haven't been kills during breaks which could be used to point fingers at certain people and stuff. I work best with fresh material.

    If you do take some things 'into consideration', Laurentus, or anyone else for that matter: I'd note that Colberius didn't immediately jump on my wagon as a reassuring sign.


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  • So, Aaron, if given the opportunity where I could convince the others to switch all votes to Colberius X, would you endorse it? I mean, you know you're innocent right? What if I told you that Colby happens to be a suspect?

    And what would you have to say to that, Colby?
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  • So, Aaron, if given the opportunity where I could convince the others to switch all votes to Colberius X, would you endorse it? I mean, you know you're innocent right? What if I told you that Colby happens to be a suspect?

    My first thought is that this is a meaningless hypothetical. But I'll humour you anyway.

    Why is Colberius a suspect? How could he even be a suspect at this stage of this phase when everyone's already clearly fixed on one person? The only way you could definitively confirm that he's a suspect would involve you breaking Rule 4. If he was, it doesn't explain why he hasn't hopped on my wagon yet today. If I go back through the previous days I doubt there's much in there for you to claim he's been suspicious. It doesn't explain why he hasn't hopped on my wagon yet for an easy lynch.

    I know I'm innocent - that doesn't mean I want to potentially be the cause of the death of another good guy instead of me. If he's a seer/defender, that'd make it even worse.
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  • I'd say that you'd all be fools not to consider me to be a suspect. 

    Except that I'm not going to vote for Aaron just yet. Maybe not at all.  I don't like the idea of casting a vote with NO new evidence to go on, just to avoid an inactivity duel.  I'm not convinced either way about Aaron, and I'm not ready to condemn him.


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  • That has been your stance throughout pretty much the entire game, Colby. How would you suggest we spot the Wolf? Has anyone stood out that you could point to?

    And also remember that you have to vote at some point. :P

    Aaron, besides Colby, myself, Amalya, Aternox and Sapphiron, who would you consider to be suspicious and why?
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  • That has been your stance throughout pretty much the entire game, Colby. How would you suggest we spot the Wolf? Has anyone stood out that you could point to?

    And also remember that you have to vote at some point. :P

    Aaron, besides Colby, myself, Amalya, Aternox and Sapphiron, who would you consider to be suspicious and why?

    I'm not sure if this was intentional, but you only left me with 2 people: taulover and Sauron.

    To be honest, I don't know. The drama has been centred around the handful of us who've been the most active throughout this game, I haven't given sufficient time to those who were less active.

    I'd perhaps lean tau for his willingness to go with any lynch and it's possible his vote for Amalya last phase, rather than for the sake of 'equilibrium' was possibly to save a wolf mate, namely, you. The whole 'newbie' thing could be a clever excuse, but I'm just not sure. I'd say he was an innocent newbie. With Sauron it's a different scenario since his vote for Amalya had some reasoning in it but it seemed empty, almost like he was taking the opportunity to vote someone since everyone else was doing it, like everyone in this phase. I can't see strong indication of associations of either with any other player in particular (possible wolf mate) as much as I do with my already stated suspects.

    For both of them, there's some evidence that they acted like a wolf would in their positions, but nothing close to vote-worthy, given everything else. I don't think either of them are wolves.

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  • That has been your stance throughout pretty much the entire game, Colby. How would you suggest we spot the Wolf? Has anyone stood out that you could point to?

    And also remember that you have to vote at some point. :P

    Aaron, besides Colby, myself, Amalya, Aternox and Sapphiron, who would you consider to be suspicious and why?

    I'm not sure if this was intentional, but you only left me with 2 people: taulover and Sauron.

    To be honest, I don't know. The drama has been centred around the handful of us who've been the most active throughout this game, I haven't given sufficient time to those who were less active.

    I'd perhaps lean tau for his willingness to go with any lynch and it's possible his vote for Amalya last phase, rather than for the sake of 'equilibrium' was possibly to save a wolf mate, namely, you. The whole 'newbie' thing could be a clever excuse, but I'm just not sure. I'd say he was an innocent newbie. With Sauron it's a different scenario since his vote for Amalya had some reasoning in it but it seemed empty, almost like he was taking the opportunity to vote someone since everyone else was doing it, like everyone in this phase. I can't see strong indication of associations of either with any other player in particular (possible wolf mate) as much as I do with my already stated suspects.

    For both of them, there's some evidence that they acted like a wolf would in their positions, but nothing close to vote-worthy, given everything else. I don't think either of them are wolves.

    It was intentional, as I'm forcing you in a sense to see things from my perspective and tell me what you think.

    Regarding Colby, do you not concede that he has also thus far been very quiet, and has kept his voting pattern very close to what you're describing was wrong with tau's? Namely, voting to maintain equilibrium, choosing between choices that everyone else is already considering and so forth?

    Another question for both you and Colby to consider is this: Supposing you knew with absolute certainty that Amalya, Sapphiron, myself and Aternox were not wolves, who would you consider to be the likeliest candidates of those remaining (including yourselves) to be wolves?
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