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By the way Colberius, why are you so astonished?

The only reason I'm somewhat opposed to lynching an active player is that it isn't really a good strategy for the wolves not to kill someone during the night phase, so why would an active wolf use such a strategy?

However, if someone can come up with a piece of evidence that is indicative of a werewolf, please do so.

In the mean time, to get conversation going, it might not be a bad idea to randomise. That seems to have betrayed Barry as Marik, so maybe we'd get lucky again.

I'm unconvinced that Bakura/Florence and Odion are inactive. Everyone said something (namely, voting to send Barry to the duel) in the last phase. I find it unlikely someone then didn't follow up in the killing phase.

There was a 3 way tie the day before we lynched Barry for the second time. The tie broke when Barry, predictably, voted for someone who was not himself: out of Laurentus and The Candy Lane, he voted Laurentus. Rather than wait to see if the remaining non-voters would vote to maintain the 3 way tie, Sapphiron switched her vote to Barry to "maintain equilibrium". This made it, I believe, a 2 way tie between Barry and Laurentus. Soon thereafter Laurentus changed his vote to Barry, which tipped the balance against Barry. This would have meant that Barry would have definitely been sent to the duel, if Colberius hadn't stepped in last minute to rebalance the vote count and thereby necessitating a coin flip - which ultimately didn't change anything as Barry was sent to the duel anyway. This is why I asked the question about Bakura and Odion knowing who Marik was. It is within the realms of possibility that on that day we would have sent to duel one of the bad guys either way. Laurentus and Sapphiron could be the wolf team.

I will admit that the conversation so far between Laurentus and Sapphiron this phase has given me some pause, yet it is reasonable to assume the wolves will not show unity to everyone else.

Besides this, I would think the reactions I get to this post will give us far more material to work with rather than randomised voting yet again, as Laurentus suggests. He has also suggested sending inactives to duel, which I'm against, for reasons I stated at the start of this post.

Vote: Send Laurentus to the Duel

*Sigh*. Here we go again. It seems I'll remain a suspect until I'm either voted of, killed by wolves, or victorious against the wolves. The wolves did a great job by killing Wintermoot on the first day, but I must say I'm alarmed that people keep thinking I'd draw this much attention to myself if I'm a wolf.

It is similar thinking that nearly got one of your innocent players killed in the first werewolf, specifically with bandwagoning from Amalya, who was the seer at that stage. I find it hard to believe that innocent villagers would make the same mistake twice. Amalya also voted at one stage to lynch Colberius X, who got killed that night by wolves, and Amalya's defence the following day was that no werewolf in his/her right mind would draw that much attention to themselves. Precisely my point. And yet Amalya has it in for me big time. No offence intended, Amalya.

Whatever action I now take will just solidify some people's beliefs that I'm the werewolf. It's called conjecture.

The clear problem I'm faced with is that I can't just vote to lynch Aaron Specter, as that equals guilt, nor can I vote to send people I actually suspect might be wolves to duel, as said persons could simply say: "Oh, what a werewolf thing to do."

*Sigh*. It's worth a shot: Send Amalya to duel.

That's *off* obviously.

Laurentus, would it not be an excellent wolf defense to use a previous argument from an innocent as an excuse? Surely you can see that a smart wolf would know that they can hide behind the guise of not intentionally drawing attention to themselves, while being vocal because everyone expects wolves to lay low.

I know I am innocent, if the crowd wants to lynch an innocent woman, that's on their conscience, I certainly won't lose any sleep over it. (Because I'll be dead... get it? [emoji14])

My vote lays with Sending Laurentus to duel

Laurentus, would it not be an excellent wolf defense to use a previous argument from an innocent as an excuse? Surely you can see that a smart wolf would know that they can hide behind the guise of not intentionally drawing attention to themselves, while being vocal because everyone expects wolves to lay low.

I know I am innocent, if the crowd wants to lynch an innocent woman, that's on their conscience, I certainly won't lose any sleep over it. (Because I'll be dead... get it? [emoji14])

My vote lays with Sending Laurentus to duel

To a wolf that wants to play THAT aggressively, I'd say they're smart, but not as smart as they think they are.

The potential benefits are far outweighed by the risks. So while I'm flattered that people think I'm a "smart" wolf, I'm not so flattered that they're trying to lynch me when I'm innocent, and then insult me by thinking I'd be THAT stupid as a wolf anyway.

I see it as a flimsy rationalisation to justify killing me, but oh well. Won't you all be heart-broken if an innocent old me gets killed... except for Amalya the werewolves, of course.

except for Amalya the werewolves

You separate me from the wolves, but yet you want to kill me off for being a wolf? Seems a tad inconsistent sir.

Very interesting...

Certainly you can see the implication, m'lady.

I must also add that I expected Amalya to be about, oh, 50 times more defensive if accused of killing Wintermoot. So far your response has been most illuminating.

Certainly you can see the implication, m'lady. [emoji14]

I must also add that I expected Amalya to be about, oh, 50 times more defensive if accused of killing Wintermoot. So far your response has been most illuminating.

Why thank you, I'm happy to be your guiding light.

... It is within the realms of possibility that on that day we would have sent to duel one of the bad guys either way. Laurentus and Sapphiron could be the wolf team ...

This is definitely a justified deduction based on my seemingly protective nature of Laurentus. However, even if we were to assume that the both of us are linked by our roles, the argument fails to take into consideration that Bakura/Florence and Odion are not the only roles that are linked and are aware of each other.

Meanwhile, I am starting to find Amalya's behavior surprising. No, this is not because she has just voted for Laurentus or that Laurentus has just voted for her. Call me acting based on previous experience but Amalya isn't someone who will bear a grudge for an extended period of time, even if our beloved Monarch was killed during the first night phase. Her constant insistence and conviction that Laurentus is a Werewolf puzzles me. She repeats that his thought processes and behavior aligns with that of a Werewolf but she has never provided evidence. As such, I would be lying if I were to say I have never suspected Amalya.

And just in case Colberius has missed my question,

By the way Colberius, why are you so astonished?

And just in case Colberius has missed my question,

By the way Colberius, why are you so astonished?

I was quite tired when I read Pengu's post, and failed to even consider the possibility of Pengu simply not mentioning that someone was successfully defended. I immediately jumped to the conclusion that the wolves were inactive or had taken the night off.

And just in case Colberius has missed my question,

By the way Colberius, why are you so astonished?

I was quite tired when I read Pengu's post, and failed to even consider the possibility of Pengu simply not mentioning that someone was successfully defended. I immediately jumped to the conclusion that the wolves were inactive or had taken the night off.

This is normally a given in Werewolf, but since there has been people asking and seeming unsure:

You will never know if someone was defended or not.  If the wolves didn't attack, or if someone was defended or a role that can't be killed by a certain type is attacked by that type, or if a good role with 2 lives was attacked at night, then the result will ALWAYS be the same: You'll simply be told that nothing happened/no duels occurred/nobody was attacked during the night.

So you're left to ponder the many different possibilities.

And before anyone begins to take apart my post and think I'm hinting at anything (because it does happen), I'm not.

I'm not so convinced on Amalya and I was leaning towards Laurentus being an innocent villager but I'm not sure.

I'm thinking the lack of wolf kills isn't because of inactivity, but that doesn't mean they aren't being quiet in the game. There have been a few players that fit this bill. In fact, I think that if TCL doesn't vote this phase he will be lynched for inactivity :/

Sapphiron said they were against lynching inactive players as it gave the werewolves a good excuse. I think this is a good point, but at the same time it means we should be lynching the active players who are more of a threat to the werewolves.

From the lynching of Barry, we can't really rule anyone out. The wolves didn't know he was the assassin, so they could have voted for him. If one of the other people likely to be lynched that phase was a WW though, the people who originally voted for Barry would be more suspect.

Laurentus, Barry and TCL were the three people with votes against them in the 2nd phase. Laurentus and Sapphiron both voted for TCL and then switched their votes to Barry later on. Laurentus seems to have done it to save himself, which doesn't really say much. Sapphiron  switched to vote for Barry. If Sapphiron is a wolf, the change of vote wouldn't make sense as an attempt to save Laurentus if Laurentus was the second wolf.

Now Laurentus has voted for Amalya and Sapphiron is agreeing that Amalya is suspicious. Even if they were working together, it is possible that they are the defenders and not werewolves but I am still a little suspect.

The last thing I will point out is Sauron is being a little quieter than usual, but perhaps that is because he doesn't visit this forum enough.

I will let people speak up before I vote, but at the moment I am leaning towards Laurentus.

All is well until

The last thing I will point out is Sauron is being a little quieter than usual, but perhaps that is because he doesn't visit this forum enough.

The sudden and abrupt inclusion of Sauron into your post just seems off and forced. It seems target-ed.

Let me summarise the progression of your post.
First Paragraph: Stance
Second Paragraph: Flaws in Aaron's stance
Third Paragraph: Flaws in my stance
Fourth Paragraph: Providing a hypothetical situation
Fifth Paragraph: Restating events that occured in the previous day phase
Sixth Paragraph: Repeating my point on roles with links
Seventh Paragraph: Sauron (?)
Eighth Paragraph: Stance

Meanwhile, it is understandable when you make this stance,

I'm not so convinced on Amalya and I was leaning towards Laurentus being an innocent villager but I'm not sure.

but when you decide to make another statement such as this later on in your post,

I will let people speak up before I vote, but at the moment I am leaning towards Laurentus.

you have created the clearest self-contradiction. The impression I get from reading the first statement at the start of the post and the second statement at the end of the post makes me think that you are trying to lynch innocent villagers.

As such, I shall Vote: Send aternox to Duel