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The Citizenship and Demonym Amendment Act

1) This Act shall be cited as the Citizenship and Demonym Amendment Act.

2) The following shall be added to the Citizenship and Demonym Act as follows:

2.5 Applicants who are reapplying for Citizenship and would not be denied under any other section of this Act shall have their application on hold for a period of two weeks, at which point the application shall be approved if the applicant has made thirty forum posts outside of designated spam areas within that period.

Just something else I'm throwing out. You can probably guess I enjoyed my time in the Spiritus Regional Assembly legislating when I was but a young player.

My thinking behind this is that we give everybody a free and open shot at Citizenship initially, and I take pains to inform regulars that their nation has ceased to exist and to bring it back before revoking Citizenship. However, if they are reapplying, it's because they have ceased to exist, moved their nation elsewhere, or renounced previous Citizenship, and I feel if they're coming back they should prove that they want to be part of this community. Unlike most other regions, our discussion and cultural areas are open to non-Citizens, so this shouldn't a difficult thing to do.

However, as I feel that the Storting has ultimate purview over Citizenship requirements, I submit this for consideration.

I entirely agree with you. People who want to become citizens should show they want to be part of the community here again and this is way of doing that.

I will happily propose this in the Underhusen.

I'm curious as to if or when the Underhusen plans on taking up this proposal.

I'm curious as to if or when the Underhusen plans on taking up this proposal.

Accept my apology your majesty.

I'm not really blaming anyone. I was just curious

I promised to then didn't get round to it.

I have now proposed it and fully support it.

Thank you!

I posted my opinion on the thread in the UH but I'll go into some more detail here as well.

NationStates region-switching takes at most a few clicks - probably 10 seconds to move your nation. Adding 2 weeks for reapplying citizens means we'd probably never get reapplying citizens. My personal opinion is that in a game that's as fluid as NS is, adding restrictions like these will work against us. It's in our best interest to try and maintain fluidity of our own so as to attract as many people as possible.

And I think that's the point...if they've already come and gone, what are the odds that they're going to stay and be active the second time around? I can't think of a single instance where someone has reapplied and not ceased to exist or move again after reapplying for Citizenship. We are giving people unlimited free chances, so they don't have to care about doing minimal things like keeping a nation in the region.

Also, keep in mind that unlike many other regions, Citizenship isn't required to be active here on the forums. Our cultural areas are open to all that haven't been outright banned, so there really isn't an excuse for why one couldn't show a minimum desire to actually be involved with the region.

If we're looking to attract past members adding a disincentive like this is going to prevent pretty much all of them from returning. A lot of our ex-members had a lot of contributions to the region and I don't see a reason to 'punish' those who've CTE'd.

Perhaps if the reason was moving out of the region, I could see the value of this but I think 2 weeks is a little sharp. Perhaps a shorter time limit?

Many of those ex-members who previously contributed to the region didn't just cease to exist, they actively renounced Citizenship or intentionally removed themselves from the region. In those cases, I don't see what would be wrong with requirement some minimal level of commitment to returning.

I'm siding with Moot on this one. It wouldn't hurt the region in terms of gaining new members, just the inactive ones. And it would offer a reason to stay active in the region in the first place, if it was harder to leave and just come back on a whim. It also just adds some value to obtaining a Wintreath citizenship in the first place.

It works in real life too: Swiss citizenship - given the country's neutrality, stability, and a number of other advantages - is one of the most valuable citizenships one can have. It's like being in the EU without dealing with all the crap in the EU. If your plane gets hijacked, you'd want to show the terrorists a Swiss passport. So that's why it's easier to obtain the keys to a nuclear missile silo than to obtain a Swiss citizenship. That shit takes some serious commitment, trust me.

So if it works in practice, then it can work for us too. New members are treated as if they were born here - they get their citizenship and are hardly asking for it. Renounce it, leave, come back, and want it back, then it'll be a bit more difficult.

Just my two cents. 

Was one of my posts deleted? I replied to Wintermoot's latest post and now it's gone.

I haven't deleted any posts...

Perhaps what I'm really saying is it should apply to people who have intentionally left the region...renounced, or let their Citizenship lapse while they maintained a NS presence elsewhere. That's really my goal...the problem is, it may not always be clear who meets that criteria, and people may just let things lapse to attempt to avoid something like this later on.

Yeah, if there was a way to clarify their reason for leaving (Deliberate or CTE) and the time-limit applied to those who were deliberate, I think that would be better.

That was the rough gist of my post previously, I don't think it was deleted actually... I think I shut my laptop before it'd finished posting and thus it didn't post