Post #33861
May 02, 2015, 01:26:25 AM
Again it's due to the natures of the bills. I'll explain this again:
Also it was two aye votes...
1) The first one was a Amendment to the Fundamental Laws, which requires a supermajority vote of 2/3rds, so 4 people with aye votes TOTAL.
2) The Second one is a general law(and amendment to a general law) so it only requires a simple majority vote of 2/3rds so 3 people with aye votes Total (also note that technically this isn't needed. There is no defined number needed)
So lets go over the votes:
FL Amendment
Aye: 3
Nay: 1
Abstain: 1
Remember AYE MUST BE 4 PEOPLE. 3 != 4 so therefore it fails. No matter what...
General Amendment
Aye: 2
Nay: 2
Abstain: 1
It was a tie.
When you remove the abstain votes completely you get:
FL Amendment
Aye: 3
Nay: 1
General Amendment
Aye: 2
Nay: 2
However, it must be noted that FL amendments require 4 ayes to pass, due to the FL itself requiring that. Therefore the FL Amendment Passes with 1 vote missing as an Aye.
In the General Amendment it is a tie. Therefore UH procedure dictates it move to the OH.
I wasn't trying to go into semantics. I was just pointing out that it was an amusing term, and that it pretty much made his "We're nothing like the US congress" statement invalid.
Also: The problem with the latter was that while it was a tie, the last vote came AFTER the deadline, and it was clear before that vote came in that it was a 1 Aye and 2 Nays. So in that instance the vote should have failed. But since you decided to include a late vote in the total and then used the Abstain as a tie breaking AYE, it was considered illegal to the OH, which is why we tossed it out.