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PASSED (4-0-0) Revocation of Govindia's Citizenship
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Wuufu
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    1. This Act will be titled the Revocation of Govindia's Citizenship.

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    2. The Storting first and foremost recognizes the fact that proposed revocation of citizenship is a serious matter, and accepts that all other avenues of action must be thoroughly pursued before a revocation should be discussed. However;
     2(a). The Storting recognizes the Citizen Govindia's harmful - albeit unintentional - habit of pestering and harassing other Citizens, to the point that several long-lasting administrative actions have been taken against him for his behaviour both on the forums and on the IRC. Despite many efforts by multiple community members to help or otherwise mediate in disputes caused by or involving Govindia, little to no visible change has occurred and all other options have been explored.
     2(b). The Storting regrets that the community cannot help Citizen Govindia, as it understands him to be a good-natured citizen who doesn't always realize the harm he does.

    3. With this in mind, the Storting hereby revokes his citizenship based on the following examples of poor behaviour, harassment or otherwise actionable poor judgement:
     3(a).  The Storting remembers the previous attempt to revoke Citizenship on April 29 - May 1, 2015, and the complaints and evidence presented therein. 
     3(b).  The Storting acknowledges the evidence provided by the Monarch detailing the events of August 8 - September 1 and October 3, 2015
     3(c).  The Storting recognizes Govindia's actions against Jarl of Information HannahB and the Monarch on January 22-23, 2016, at which time he was placed on probation, and his violation of such probation early the following month, which resulted in a permanent ban from Wintreath IRC channels. 

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    4. The Storting notes that it affirms the right to appeal this Act through all the lawful channels in which this may be done.
     
    5. In addition, the Storting notes that future revocation Acts will require the same burden of proof in regards to evidence in order to create a process by which this unfortunate action can be carried out in the event a revocation is required again.

    6. It is also noted that whilst the IRC does not technically fall under the legal jurisdiction of the Storting, actions taken there influence and impact the region elsewhere. As such, the use of IRC logs as evidence is permissible in such cases.
    Peers may vote Aye, Nay, or may Abstain from voting.
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    Wuufu
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    @Govindia: I am going to try and be as patient and direct as I can be in this statement, and I want you to read this very carefully. I spoke some words to you in my previous statement during the previous revocation that still holds true. Your desire to always push people to respond to you through being overly persistent is still very much apparent. You mentioned to me you've been brought up to resolve conflicts through direct methods in your culture, yet you fail to realise that this only incites conflicts in the Cyberculture that we reside in here.

    The revocation of your citizenship should be seen to show you just how seriously we in Wintreath are considering your behaviour to be detrimental to the wellbeing of this region.  By supporting this revocation, we're saying that in order to regain our trust and support you need to take these words to heart so that you can change for the better, and to do that you will need to learn to adapt more than you already have done. This is not a removal from this community in full, and shouldn't be seen as such, but instead it should give you the motivation to effect change. I do hope you seek out the help you need in order to do so.

    So once again, I say to you: you need to learn to listen to what other people are saying (or read and pay attention to it, more precisely); you need to learn to be patient, to not be overly persistent and to know when to stop and drop it; and above all else, you need to learn to consider the impact that your actions have on other people. You should consider that sometimes it is better to say nothing at all, especially if people don't respond straight away to you, because it could be for all number of reasons. I think you find it hard to read between the words, as the saying goes, and you need to work on that.

    I hope you have the capacity to change, though as I said in my previous statement, I'm not entirely sure you do. I also think this revocation is the best course of action available to the region at this time. Finally, I feel others have already said what I have said above better than I have, so pay heed to them too. Good luck.

    To all members of the Underhusen (and everyone else): well done on a well written revocation act. I know this was difficult, so let's get this done and move forward.
    3 people like this post: Laurentus, Weissreich, Michi
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    Colberius X
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    However, in the event that this issue persists, and a new revocation proposal is put forward, it will likely receive my full support.  There comes a time when a line must be drawn.  But we have not reached that point yet.
    Those are my words from the vote on the revocation proposal last year. Admittedly, the current attempt hasn't received my full support; my reluctant support would be more accurate. But I do agree that the time for the line to be drawn is now.

    I want Govindia to be a part of this community, but I want the issues that follow him to be over. Clearly, the help that members of this community have offered him hasn't been enough to motivate a change of behavior. Neither have the several revocation attempts made in the past. Perhaps this revocation will show him how serious the community is about seeing a change in his behavior.

    While I deeply regret that it has come to this, I believe it a necessary step towards solving the problem.

    Aye.
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