Good game, everyone, and best of luck. This game seems quite complex. @Pengu, could you explain when exactly new sets of rules are unlocked?
Hmm. I don't suppose our roles were decided by that poll we did too? That would be a big help.
Just in the sense that they're fresh and new.
Are you allowed to vote No Lynch? I can't seem to find a rule forbidding that.
12) The friends must choose someone to accuse during each discussion.
Hey @Lumenland I just noticed that your profile picture isn't showing up, not sure if that is just for my phone though, just thought I'd let you know ;)
Hey @Lumenland I just noticed that your profile picture isn't showing up, not sure if that is just for my phone though, just thought I'd let you know ;)Yeah, I wonder if that's the same problem as mine that I mentioned in the Avatar of the Month thread.
So, another game starts...hello friends. ^-^
Hallo ^o^YOU REPLIED YOU MUST BE A BADDIE!!!!
(though I suppose it might just be the first thread you saw Lumenland post on and notice the problem).Ding! Ding! Ding! Spot on for that guess! :P
*Eyebrows raised.*There ya go, some random person on the internet doing it back :P (https://wintreath.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbwcupid.com%2Fblog%2Fimages%2Fposts%2Fraised-eyebrows.jpg&hash=5f2f08f008392ad27a969e14bcfdc61d)
Hallo ^o^YOU REPLIED YOU MUST BE A BADDIE!!!!
Just kidding! Hi! *hugs Lumenland* :D
Yay, another trip to the world of paranoia.I think that's gonna be the norm for this round...
Indiscriminate paranoia is certainly fun, but fighting amongst ourselves just benefits the wolves. They can just sit back and watch us tear each other to pieces.Have a Potato instead!
So. Since we have to vote, we should probably come up with some sort of plan. What are we thinking? Personally, I'm a fan of Gerrick's snow flake theory. Seems legit.
*Sighs*Indeed. Any ideas?
Unless we want a repeat of Werewolf 1, we should probably start focusing on the task at hand.
I think you are right Aragonn, Crushita is strange.We're all a little odd. You've known me for long enough to know my sense of humor :P I'm rather suspicious of how quickly you two are jumping to crucify me however....
I'm not ruling anyone out. Could be Colby, could be Laurentus, could be tau....could be me. :PIt is rather problematic that we know absolutely nothing at the moment...
So we have three votes for three different people so far... Do we know what happens if there's a tie?
Can one abstain? I have no basis for any logical guess...From the rules:
If nothing changes, my vote will also be cast for an inactive player.Well if it's life and death then if I don't vote before the next meeting I suppose that I'll just have to vote for RedRevenant/Sci. Sorry, but this game's goal is to remain alive.... (and I guess beat the werewolves, too... but it's not like that's the name of the game, right? :P )
And I'm sure we'll still find a way to kill off the seer immediately, no matter how hard we try otherwise. :P
I don't know. The wolves would ideally like to remain in the spotlight just enough not to be conspicuously absent, I reckon. What's your motivationDid you just edit a post? In Werewolf? We must all be rusty.for votingfor going after Revenant, and not Rasdanation or any of the other people who've been voted for?
EDIT: Struck out my weird mistake.
Well, if players remain inactive I presume they'll be removed from the game eventually...so I think we should focus our efforts on the active players.I notice that you're making the complete opposite statement as you did last time. Considering that you were the wolf last time (I think?), I'm not sure how to interpret that...
Well, if players remain inactive I presume they'll be removed from the game eventually...so I think we should focus our efforts on the active players.I absolutely agree with this way of thinking, and although this is the first day and there is a lack of incriminating evidence, voting for an active player is still better than voting for an inactive player, the latter of which I consider to be the same as not lynching at all.
And since i don't like to kill innocent people, i will abstain from this round.You should really check your PMs and find out what role you are, lol.
Also i don't know what my role is. :p
ITS NOT IN THERE!And since i don't like to kill innocent people, i will abstain from this round.You should really check your PMs and find out what role you are, lol.
Also i don't know what my role is. :p
Pengu is usually pretty thorough, so maybe double-check, and if it's not in there message him.I found that bastard...
With less than 24 hours until the end of the phase,
I notice that you're making the complete opposite statement as you did last time. Considering that you were the wolf last time (I think?), I'm not sure how to interpret that...In case anyone is wondering which post taulover is referring to,
The way I see it, the point of the game is to lynch someone we think is a wolf...failing the ability to do that on the first turn, at least voting off someone that will probably be removed anyway will keep the game active longer by delaying the removal of an active player. And who knows, maybe the inactive player has a bad role.
It's not my favourite route to take, but compared to what everyone else is doing I think it's a valid tactic. Feel free to disagree.
Well, if players remain inactive I presume they'll be removed from the game eventually...so I think we should focus our efforts on the active players.Wintermoot, would you like to respond to taulover's enquiry?
ITS NOT IN THERE!For the love of god, guys, stop editing your posts!
I don't think...
ADD: Oh wait there it is. That sneaky bastard. I READ IT 3 TIMES!
Tip #4: All records should be kept in the public's eye
One thing that will garner unwanted attention is editing your posts. Regardless of whether it's because there was a spelling error or grammatical error, it won't matter; as far as other players are concerned, your post was edited because you accidentally had something crucial that would have implicated you as the wolf, and you edited it because you noticed said accident and omitted it. It is in your best interest to keep your posts fresh, and if there's any crucial mistakes you feel need fixing, say it in another post.
Those are guidelines though. Feel free to vote for someone if they've edited their post. Personally, if people don't subtract any content from the original post, I am prepared to overlook it.You can't tell whether or not they subtracted any content from the post though.
I wouldn't call anything I've seen so far particularly suspicious, but seeing as Crushita and Rasdanation both have two votes and haven't responded to the accusations yet (although at least Crushita has been interacting more), I suppose that makes them the most suspicious. How to choose.Looking back I must have missed this comment but I only saw one vote for me, are you sure on what you said? Anyways, I don't really have much to say considering that Evelynx didn't explain his vote for me. But, I'm sure he has something logical up his sleeve, right?
I guess I'd like to hear from both before casting my vote.
Snap, you are correct. At some point I think I confused you and Revenant.No worries :P
Crushita is still ahead by 2 votes. Somebody play Taps.Whatever for? Things can shift quite a bit in 24 hours.
Damn, who knew I was so persuasive 8). Hopefully I'm not wrong, so I don't look like an ass. With about 25 hours left, here's an update:
[...]
By the way, this is so people can try to notice voting patterns and come up with their own theories.
After Gerrick's analysis, I'm not sure what to do... on one hand, I'm suspicious of Gerrick, because that much thought could just be a ploy to throw us off track... on the other hand, the logic seems sound, so I think that I'm going to shift my vote to VidiLune, give Gerrick the benefit of the doubt, and assume that Pengu is a smart gamemaster who won't assign any new people roles as werewolves.This is a blatant attempt to change your vote from Crushita to VidiLune by shifting all the blame to Gerrick if VidiLune flips good. Plus, I can't see the reasoning behind making the assumption that Pengu would not assign power roles to new players.
Sapph I voted for RedRevenant...After Gerrick's analysis, I'm not sure what to do... on one hand, I'm suspicious of Gerrick, because that much thought could just be a ploy to throw us off track... on the other hand, the logic seems sound, so I think that I'm going to shift my vote to VidiLune, give Gerrick the benefit of the doubt, and assume that Pengu is a smart gamemaster who won't assign any new people roles as werewolves.This is a blatant attempt to change your vote from Crushita to VidiLune by shifting all the blame to Gerrick if VidiLune flips good. Plus, I can't see the reasoning behind making the assumption that Pengu would not assign power roles to new players.
After Gerrick's analysis, I'm not sure what to do... on one hand, I'm suspicious of Gerrick, because that much thought could just be a ploy to throw us off track... on the other hand, the logic seems sound, so I think that I'm going to shift my vote to VidiLune, give Gerrick the benefit of the doubt, and assume that Pengu is a smart gamemaster who won't assign any new people roles as werewolves.This is frankly terrible reasoning, Robin. Any one of us could be chosen as a wolf, given how random it is. They don't have to have a day's experience.
I stand corrected. My apologies for mistaking the person you are voting for but the accusation remains. Just read Crushita as Sci.Pengu has been gamemaster of Werewolf before, and most persons (whether subconsciously or not) do not assign persons with little or no experience important roles. However, I believe that, while this may be true in most cases, that VidiLune, as the newly adopted member of Pengu's family, could be given such a role as a sort of "vote of confidence" from Pengu in her abilities. But, as with all psychological speculation, it is quite probable that my analysis is incorrect, and in that event I sincerely apologise. Logic really requires more data to work, and that requires continuing analyses of the voting trends list.
And tau is about to lose his shit because you edited your post too. :POh is that something that you shouldn't do?
I have a feeling Sapph is about to rip your argument to shreds, if I know him at all. :PAnd I actually like when people do that, even if it seems unusual. :) I love when people expose flaws in my thinking!! It means that I can refine it and improve my deductive reasoning!! :D
Oh my ;-;We'll probably end up choosing the Seer. :P
I hope we choose correctly
That said, while I don't see anything suspicious about this sudden shift in votes by everyone based on Gerrick's analysis, I think enough people have jumped on the "lynch VidiLune" bandwagon, and I shall keep my vote right where it is, thank you very much.I'll give this reason as well for not changing my vote.
Pengu has been gamemaster of Werewolf before, and most persons (whether subconsciously or not) do not assign persons with little or no experience important roles. However, I believe that, while this may be true in most cases, that VidiLune, as the newly adopted member of Pengu's family, could be given such a role as a sort of "vote of confidence" from Pengu in her abilities. But, as with all psychological speculation, it is quite probable that my analysis is incorrect, and in that event I sincerely apologise. Logic really requires more data to work, and that requires continuing analyses of the voting trends list.Unless Pengu used an RNG to choose roles. Could @Pengu comment on how roles are chosen?
Take a look at the stickied Werewolf tips for an explanation of why you shouldn't edit your post. Last last time Tomb got lynched for that, despite being the Seer (or perhaps because he was :P).And tau is about to lose his shit because you edited your post too. :POh is that something that you shouldn't do?
Gods, the Seer's fate in our Werewolf games defies any sort of logic. It's basically a running joke at this point that the Seer doesn't make it past the first night phase. :PWell, it's gone between the Seer, Wintermoot, and that one time when Wintermoot was the Seer. :P
Pengu how did you choose roles? Random number generator?
What?!Pengu how did you choose roles? Random number generator?
I plead the 5th on this question.
When I said things could shift in 24 hours, that didn't mean they had to shift in the next 30 minutes. :P
At the same time, Gerrick wasn't the one who voted VidiLune first, he just strengthened the idea of VidiLune being bad. In other terms, he still could be bad, just all he did here was bring more suspicion to someone already under suspicion...Damn, who knew I was so persuasive 8). Hopefully I'm not wrong, so I don't look like an ass. With about 25 hours left, here's an update:
[...]
By the way, this is so people can try to notice voting patterns and come up with their own theories.
I've become suspicious now (but then again, who hasn't)... Is Crushita's repeated changing vote a diversion or a sign of non-targeting innocence? And we can't forget that maybe Gerrick's trying to gang everyone up on VidiLune because he knows Crushita is a psychopath and he's trying to protect him...
It's interesting that Taintedpaws went after VidiLune straight off the bat.Tainted Paws went after Crushita right off the bat.
Oh, you are right. Ras voted for VidiLune first. I need to get my shit together. This is also a lot more active than I'm used to. In the first day phase, we've already overtaken the first Werewolf game in posts.And as I mentioned in that post, the reason I voted for VidiLune was because they claimed something innocent about themselves, and as I know from playing about a few days worth of Town of Salem, people who immediately claim innocent are pretty suspicious. Also, VidiLune has not justified why she isn't guilty(if she did, I didn't see it), which also in ToS, makes people think that they can't think of a good excuse, which also raises suspicion upon them.
That is a pretty persuasive argument, Ras. How often (if ever) does that rule of thumb not hold up, though? In your experience, of course.The first rule, almost no one in that game ever claims innocent or an innocent role from the start. Usually it's a 50 50 chance with that rule, considering most of the time, its claiming the neutral role, survivor, and either they are telling the truth about their role, or they are a witch or werewolf(it's a different than this type of werewolf role). For the second strategy, it works most of the time since either they are guilty and they don't have an answer prepared, or they are just afk. Although, VidiLune has been active this game, which most likely eliminates the afk theory of why they aren't responding. Also, there's that 1% chance they just have no idea what they are doing at all.
Also that we're only in day 1 with almost 14 pages already...quite impressive guys. :-)Makes for one heck of a read to catch up, though.
Hi people! I do apologize for "bandwagoning." I understand the suspicion that it has thrown onto me, and at this point, I really don't have much of a self-defense since any of us can claim to be innocent/non-werewolves. What I can claim is that my actions were truly made based on the reason that I had given, and had we more information, I am sure that I would not have bandwagoned.
Watch as VidiLune is the seer... :PYeah, she said, "you will not be happy," which kinda scares me that VidiLune is the seer. Hopefully this is just a ploy to get us to rethink our votes, but it could (I hope not) be true.
Just a random thought: Wouldn't the next best person, after the psychos and the wolf, to kill be the Player? Since he/she can't die?Yeah, I suppose that's true, though they'd lose the ability to vote, taking one away from the good guys. The Stranger might be as good to die since he can negate the good guys' powers, meaning none are defended and the Seer is further back in finding out the good from the bad.
Can't decide if people liked Gerrick's post because they feel the same, or because they want to take him up on his offer...
Being as it's Wintreath, I'll assume it's the latter.
And you'd be assuming wrong. I'm simply sympathising with Gerrick. The guilt he must feel. Killing poor Vidi. Who never did anything to anyone. You monster.
AND Aragonn knows me well. :P
She played Werewolf. :P
Sorry for my absence, as I've been so busy doing my actual duties in TNP, I forgot the game. I did read the stuff I missed though.
Im here! Just getting caught up on the last 16 pages.
I'm going to wait until the night phase finishes before I go accusing anyone again. :-\Same here. Anyways @Penhu, how long is night phase?
Pray tell, how was she suspicious?For me, I voted VidiLune first, then I had really no reason to take my vote off of her. I was suspicious of her saying
Hellooo! I'm already lost XDThe "for now" part wasn't what made me suspicious. What was suspicous was that her saying
Nah just kidding! I'm too naive to suspect anyone though O:-)
(For now >:D)
Nah just kidding! I'm too naive to suspect anyone though O:-)making it seem that she is trying to put herself out of the picture or claim that she is neutral in this current voting which made it seem that she is trying to make it so that she really isn't suspected. Although, I guess I just looked to hard into this statement...
Does that necessarily mean that he would make the inverse statement when siding with the good guys?Nope. As I said when I first pointed it out, I'm not sure how to interpret it.
True, but people had their own reasons most of the time. Tomb just straight-up admitted to having no reason to going after Crush other than it being the way Wintermoot voted, and seeing as Wintermoot contradicted himself and has yet to answer Sapph or tau's questions, it makes both Wintermoot and Tomb suspicious (although I still believe we need to consider that they could be the defending pair, but seeing as Wintermoot looks to be lying low, that counters my initial doubts a bit).
While everyone else was split up and doing their thing, you took the time to look for any clues as to what could get you off the mountains. Almost immediately, you remember something that should have been obvious from the start.
"Hey, did you find anything?" A voice asks, as you turn to see one of your guests, Taury Love, walking up to you inquisitively. With a killer on the loose, possibly even more than one, you hesitate a moment, but decide to tell her what you thought about.
"Actually, I was thinking that--" you begin, as you're interrupted by a sound outside and a flash of light. Everyone looks outside to see a mysterious hooded figure shooting a flamethrower at something, as they then disappear in the darkness.
Colby, Taury, Saphira, Gerri, Eva Lynxius, Lauren... I see what you did there, but those are the names which I'm pretty sure are named after people on this thread... I'm not sure who Albert, Elliot, and Gary are named after...
"Despite those, however, he loved his women to be of the pretty-yet-dumb variety, and Sarah fit perfectly into that demographic for him as far as he knew."Which post is this from? I'm just curious on that. Anyways I'm going to wait a bit longer to vote. Especially considering that I'm going too far into peoples posts to find anything suspicious...
"Despite those, however, he loved his women to be of the pretty-yet-dumb variety, and Sarah fit perfectly into that demographic for him as far as he knew."Which post is this from? I'm just curious on that. Anyways I'm going to wait a bit longer to vote. Especially considering that I'm going too far into peoples posts to find anything suspicious...
That knowledge is mine and mine alone, and since nobody in the stories will be doing anything incriminating (excluding their final moments), nobody will know which character names are the bad ones.
Pengu established that we can abstain from voting. It just can't be the majority.
Also, if we find me dead next round or so, I'd venture to say that my suspicions are correct.I wouldn't. Especially now that you've said that.
February 10, 2016, 05:49:57 PM Commander_Zemas Aragonn
February 10, 2016, 08:49:16 PM VidiLune Rasdanation
February 10, 2016, 11:29:11 PM Rasdanation Evelynx
February 10, 2016, 11:50:22 PM Crushita Barnes
February 11, 2016, 12:03:54 AM Grand Land of Blarg taulover
February 11, 2016, 01:00:33 AM RedRevenant/Sci North
February 11, 2016, 04:13:48 AM RedRevenant/Sci Crushita Telcontar
February 11, 2016, 07:09:56 AM Crushita Telcontar Wintermoot
February 11, 2016, 09:51:55 AM Crushita Telcontar Tomb
February 11, 2016, 01:46:08 PM Crushita Telcontar VidiLune
February 11, 2016, 02:34:59 PM Crushita Telcontar Laurentus
February 11, 2016, 02:42:54 PM Tomb Sapphiron
February 11, 2016, 04:40:05 PM Tomb Crushita Telcontar
February 11, 2016, 06:32:18 PM VidiLune Gerrick
February 11, 2016, 06:49:37 PM VidiLune Colberius X
February 11, 2016, 07:24:31 PM VidiLune Aragonn
February 11, 2016, 08:38:16 PM Tomb HannahB
February 11, 2016, 08:45:03 PM VidiLune Crushita Telcontar
February 11, 2016, 10:10:10 PM VidiLune North
February 11, 2016, 10:16:07 PM VidiLune Commander_Zemas
February 11, 2016, 10:28:12 PM VidiLune Broddring Empire
February 11, 2016, 10:54:53 PM VidiLune BraveSirRobin
February 11, 2016, 10:57:05 PM VidiLune BarnesFebruary 11, 2016, 10:10:10 PM VidiLune North
February 11, 2016, 10:16:07 PM VidiLune Commander_Zemas
February 11, 2016, 10:28:12 PM VidiLune Broddring Empire
February 11, 2016, 10:54:53 PM VidiLune BraveSirRobin
February 11, 2016, 10:57:05 PM VidiLune Barnes
Exactly. What wolf in his right mind would draw attention to himself that way? In fact, there is a history here of wolves who frame townies by killing people a suspicious townie happened to have a spat with.Also, if we find me dead next round or so, I'd venture to say that my suspicions are correct.I wouldn't. Especially now that you've said that.
I was gonna save this until tomorrow, as 2 days of information is better than one no?That was most interesting. Would those involved care to comment?
Something not taken into account in current analyses is the time when votes occurred.
I just thought it was interesting, is all. Here is a record of the times that votes took place, along with the votes.. the columns are ordered, for no particular reason:
Time, Vote To, Vote FromCode: [Select]February 10, 2016, 05:49:57 PM Commander_Zemas Aragonn
February 10, 2016, 08:49:16 PM VidiLune Rasdanation
February 10, 2016, 11:29:11 PM Rasdanation Evelynx
February 10, 2016, 11:50:22 PM Crushita Barnes
February 11, 2016, 12:03:54 AM Grand Land of Blarg taulover
February 11, 2016, 01:00:33 AM RedRevenant/Sci North
February 11, 2016, 04:13:48 AM RedRevenant/Sci Crushita Telcontar
February 11, 2016, 07:09:56 AM Crushita Telcontar Wintermoot
February 11, 2016, 09:51:55 AM Crushita Telcontar Tomb
February 11, 2016, 01:46:08 PM Crushita Telcontar VidiLune
February 11, 2016, 02:34:59 PM Crushita Telcontar Laurentus
February 11, 2016, 02:42:54 PM Tomb Sapphiron
February 11, 2016, 04:40:05 PM Tomb Crushita Telcontar
February 11, 2016, 06:32:18 PM VidiLune Gerrick
February 11, 2016, 06:49:37 PM VidiLune Colberius X
February 11, 2016, 07:24:31 PM VidiLune Aragonn
February 11, 2016, 08:38:16 PM Tomb HannahB
February 11, 2016, 08:45:03 PM VidiLune Crushita Telcontar
February 11, 2016, 10:10:10 PM VidiLune North
February 11, 2016, 10:16:07 PM VidiLune Commander_Zemas
February 11, 2016, 10:28:12 PM VidiLune Broddring Empire
February 11, 2016, 10:54:53 PM VidiLune BraveSirRobin
February 11, 2016, 10:57:05 PM VidiLune Barnes
I graphed it here, I think you should be able to view it:
https://jsfiddle.net/9Ljnz06g/#
I did this just to see if there was anything interesting in the voting times.. as it happens, there kind of is. 24 votes occurred over a period of about 23 hours, averaging about 1.04 votes per hour.
However, if you look at the graph or closely at the data, there is a definite spike at the end. 5 votes occur in quick succession over the course of 47 minutes, roughly 6.4 votes per hour. If you look at the graph, the number of votes goes up in small spurts and bursts but more or less steadily until this spike.
All of these votes are for the same person, VidiLune. It seems likely that these votes occurring in quick succession is perhaps not entirely coincidence. Perhaps, this was a coordinated piling effort?
Perhaps.
What do you think, my good friends?
For the record, these 5 voters are located in 3 separate time zones, and as such likely have little in common in terms of schedules.
For the record, the 5 votes included in the spike are:Code: [Select]February 11, 2016, 10:10:10 PM VidiLune North
February 11, 2016, 10:16:07 PM VidiLune Commander_Zemas
February 11, 2016, 10:28:12 PM VidiLune Broddring Empire
February 11, 2016, 10:54:53 PM VidiLune BraveSirRobin
February 11, 2016, 10:57:05 PM VidiLune Barnes
For the record, these 5 voters are located in 3 separate time zones, and as such likely have little in common in terms of schedules.Barnes didn't vote for VidiLune.
For the record, the 5 votes included in the spike are:Code: [Select]February 11, 2016, 10:10:10 PM VidiLune North
February 11, 2016, 10:16:07 PM VidiLune Commander_Zemas
February 11, 2016, 10:28:12 PM VidiLune Broddring Empire
February 11, 2016, 10:54:53 PM VidiLune BraveSirRobin
February 11, 2016, 10:57:05 PM VidiLune Barnes
For the record, these 5 voters are located in 3 separate time zones, and as such likely have little in common in terms of schedules.Barnes didn't vote for VidiLune.
For the record, the 5 votes included in the spike are:Code: [Select]February 11, 2016, 10:10:10 PM VidiLune North
February 11, 2016, 10:16:07 PM VidiLune Commander_Zemas
February 11, 2016, 10:28:12 PM VidiLune Broddring Empire
February 11, 2016, 10:54:53 PM VidiLune BraveSirRobin
February 11, 2016, 10:57:05 PM VidiLune Barnes
Oh, also North I suppose. Trying not to edit posts.
Ev was just saying that you were among those who voted in that one period of lots of activity, which looks suspicious.Oh, also North I suppose. Trying not to edit posts.
How am I a suspect?
Ev was just saying that you were among those who voted in that one period of lots of activity, which looks suspicious.Oh, also North I suppose. Trying not to edit posts.
How am I a suspect?
On another note, @Evelynx how did you get the PM data?
I am going to vote for BraveSirRobin, for no reason other than I dislike his logic in his post about turning up dead. With the Stranger preventing any information from being gained last night, that seems as good a vote as any, since I would also like to avoid the bandwagon for Tomb.Robin's logic has been off throughout the game, it seems. And that just isn't like him.
Am I the only one who learned anything from day one?I did...
Someone went off a tiny whim and a bunch of people bandwagoned. Again.Welcome to the 21st Century... ;]
Speaking of that.
When placing your votes during Team Discussion period, please always remember to bold your votes so that I know that a vote is being placed. A few people haven't been doing this. :P
Thank you.
When placing your votes during Team Discussion period, please always remember to bold your votes so that I know that a vote is being placed. A few people haven't been doing this. :P
>:D
Honestly, you wouldn't be able to tell if I'm a wolf. I didn't make Lord of Culture in New Hyperion because of my good looks. I'm an excellent roleplayer. And in this discussion and voting thread, the role to play is friend. That's exactly what role I shall play here. Whether or not that is my true role I will leave for the rest of you to decide. But good luck with that. >:D :PKnow who I am, none shall. Roleplay as Yoda, I will. Suspect nothing, people will. See it coming, they will not. :P
[spoiler=I vote for <The Victim's Name Here>]
I affirm that I have duly considered all of the following candidates for voting, and am casting my vote for the candidate bolded below.
The reason I am choosing to vote for this person is [b]because other people have also voted for this person[/b].
[b]<The Victim's Name Here>[/b]
Colberius X
Crushita Telcontar
Laurentus
Evelynx
Sapphiron
taulover
Aragonn
Gerrick
Barnes
RedRevenant/Sci
Rasdanation
Lumenland
North
xXTheHydraXx
BraveSirRobin
Frozen
Wintermoot
Bootsie
HannahB
Grand Land of BLarg
Commander_Zemas
Broddring Empire
Taintedpaws[/spoiler]
The prescriptivist (ie grammar Nazi) part in me is annoyed that you used "the reason is because."
I'm not in favor of the ballot, to be honest.
Vote: Pengu
Vote: Pengu
Reason: Blah blah blah, he knows too much to be a villager, blah blah blah.
Degree of Certainty: 90%
Honestly, you wouldn't be able to tell if I'm a wolf. I didn't make Lord of Culture in New Hyperion because of my good looks. I'm an excellent roleplayer.Don't listen to him. It was mostly because of his good looks. ;)
I'm actually not in favor of it either, to be honest. I have a feeling allowing this is going to confuse other players as to what's happening. I think the style should be kept simple and to the point, and discussions should be left as such, rather than changing the style by turning it into a ballot.
And interesting idea, though, and I do give you props for originality. But I'm going to go ahead and put my foot down on this one.
Chaos is the whole point of the game. Paranoia and chaos. :PI'm actually not in favor of it either, to be honest. I have a feeling allowing this is going to confuse other players as to what's happening. I think the style should be kept simple and to the point, and discussions should be left as such, rather than changing the style by turning it into a ballot.
And interesting idea, though, and I do give you props for originality. But I'm going to go ahead and put my foot down on this one.
You wound me Pengu, all I was trying to do was introduce clarity and order into this chaotic world. I put my heart into it, and you put your foot down on it.
*sighs dramatically*
That is the first good luck we've had. It seems the Wendigo faces the same problem as Sir Galahad did in Ye Olde Arthurian Legend, namely that anyone they target could be one of their allies. With luck, they'll kill one of the psychos again in the next night phase.
Anyway, Broddring Empire didn't even register on my radar of suspects. What was his voting pattern?
Hi everyone! Exciting to be here. It is unfortunate that we have to chose someone now but having read through the thread, and the analyses Gerrick made, I vote Vidilune. I'm sorry but someone has to go first :/We should probably be more suspicious of those who hardly post.
Looking at Broddring's profile, he was active five hours ago, so the first possibility I listed didn't happen. @Pengu, would it count toward inactivity if the wolves didn't target anyone on purpose, in the same way it would count as inactivity if we chose to abstain from voting?
I'm also assuming that the wolves aren't facing problems with the messaging system as in Werewolf 3?
Tip #5: Wolves don't always have to claim a victim
This may sound completely absurd that the wolves would choose not to kill anyone, but it can be a good strategic move. It will make players think that you may be inactive, but more than likely they'll believe that the defenders were doing their job well. Likewise, it will make the defenders believe that you attacked their intended target, so they'll most likely decide to try to defend said target again.
So. Who's going to go back and look for quiet people in this monstrosity of a thread?Yeah... I'll do it, but others can if they want in case I miss something. I'll probably end up making a spreadsheet with the number of posts each person made before this past night phase.
*The player could also have negated all baddie attacks on the good guys, sorry*Well, except that the wendigo did kill last time...
We should probably be more suspicious of those who hardly post.
Yeah, perhaps you're right. We've been tearing each other apart, and in Broddring's case at least, he could just sit back and watch.I'll be the first to admit that I am one of those quiet people this game. Or, more accurately, was one of those quiet people.
So. Who's going to go back and look for quiet people in this monstrosity of a thread?
0.oBeing analytical with data can still arouse emotional suspicion...
You, Aragonn, the analytical being you are, are suspicious of me based on a gut feeling?
Well, I'll not be the one to tell you your feelings are wrong. And knowing you as I do, I also know you'd be much more convincing than this if you were a Wolf trying to start a bandwagon.I'm not sure who's more suspicious in the long run: those who "round up" people to bandwagon them for a vote or those who are rounded up. My experience in this thread suggests the former, but I'd like to check the data on that eventually.
I'm just confused now.This game is meant to be confusing :P
Wait, what? The wendigo has killed someone other than Broddring? When did this happen?I was referencing the wendigo killing Broddring, trying to point out that the wendigo is a baddie, thus making it that the player negating all baddies' attacks not possible, just negating the pshycopath's attacks...
Or am I misunderstanding? Or are you misunderstanding?
In case that is the case, note that the player stopping baddies from killing good guys would obviously not prevent the Wendigo from killing a psycho.
Experience in Werewolf games?
Wait, what? The wendigo has killed someone other than Broddring? When did this happen?I was referencing the wendigo killing Broddring, trying to point out that the wendigo is a baddie, thus making it that the player negating all baddies' attacks not possible, just negating the pshycopath's attacks...
Or am I misunderstanding? Or are you misunderstanding?
In case that is the case, note that the player stopping baddies from killing good guys would obviously not prevent the Wendigo from killing a psycho.
I shall abstain. My votes have already condemned 2 innocent people to die. I don't want more blood on my hands....Oh, quit being so melodramatic. This is Werewolf. This is war. Get on your feet, soldier, and fight like a man.
I still see their faces...the look of horror... Eva.. Kyorgia...Gary.... I see them when I close my eyes...
[b]Vote:[/b]
[B]Reasons:[/b]
[B]Degree of Certainty:[/b]
I may be wrong, but it seems that everyone is acting differently in this Werewolf games except you, therefore you stand out.Wait, what? So because Laurentus acts as he usually does, that means that he's more suspicious? Sorry, but I don't buy that.
If people were acting differently, and I've played with them before, I'd hone in on them in an instant, and so would they hone in on each other for that matter.I at least attempted to give a reason for my vote, unlike Aragonn. However, I will say that I am *mostly* going off a gut feeling, as that is as much as I have to go off of at this point.
This is pretty close to bandwagoning for no apparent reason, and I'm starting to suspect a link between you and Aragonn, especially as you don't even have any proof to go along with your claims.
Vote: BraveSirRobinMy father's logic, while I'm quite sure is well-intentioned, is not very sound, and the adherence to his logic would end pretty unpleasantly. Firstly, he states that his principle reason for voting for me is that he did not like my logic during the last discussion round. Perhaps this is because they (Wintermoot and Colberius) are the two defenders that are linked, or perhaps they are both something else, like Seers. However, right after this he indicates that he "ha{s} no real ideas about who to vote for." This, coupled with his first allegation, that he did not particularly like my reasoning last voting round, is, when taken together, self-contradictory. My reasoning was that Wintermoot was online and focusing on other sections of the forum, whilst simultaneously seeming to avoid the Werewolf game.
Reasons: I didn't like his reasoning in that post during the last Team Discussion phase; I have no real ideas about who to vote for, I dislike randomizers, and voting for my son means I don't have to worry if he hates me for it
Degree of Certainty: 50%. Either he's a bad guy or he isn't.
I say tar and feather that Abstain person...they're absolutely rotten. ;-;
Remember to bold, before Pengu loses his shit and reveals your role. :P
(https://wintreath.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fz5.ifrm.com%2F30286%2F34%2F0%2Fe5193388%2F%2Fe5193388.gif&hash=de3370d426a27ca31a9d453ff7c6b638)That needs to be one of Wintreath's official emoticons =P
Due to events of a serious nature, RedRevenant/Sci is being removed from the game, and his role will be shuffled to another player.Heck, even if you hadn't removed him we would've probably lynched him this round after those revelations...
RedRevenant/Sci was our Player.
Due to events of a serious nature, RedRevenant/Sci is being removed from the game, and his role will be shuffled to another player.Heck, even if you hadn't removed him we would've probably lynched him this round after those revelations...
RedRevenant/Sci was our Player.
A new Player has been chosen.
Apologies to anyone that feels that the game has been tainted in any way due to the recent events. Please do not let the actions of one-ex player stem from any enjoyment that you've been having with this game. Remember that Werewolf is here to help bring people together in a setting of paranoia and passion so that they can have a good time and even potentially make new friends.
Like @North and @Crushita Telcontar apparently we're evil geniuses!! :P
Like @North and @Crushita Telcontar apparently we're evil geniuses!! :P
Psychopaths aren't evil just.... misunderstood.
And insane.
So. Much. Reading. So. Little. Time.
Also, why are people struck out at all?What? Are you talking to me?
Vote: BraveSirRobin
Reasons: Chronologically Presented. Participated in a mini-pile, lasting approximately 3 hours, on RedRevenant/Sci at the very beginning along with North and Crushita. If this was a piling effort, it was a group of at least 3 people that instigated it - only the psychopath's could instigate such a pile. Logic for the early pile (against a known non-psychopath!) was entirely nonsensical.
BraveSirRobin switched votes, along with North and Crushita once again, to VidiLune within 1 hour of North, Broddring_Empire (proven psychopath), and Commander_Zemas, and within 2 hours of Crushita. I believe this to have been a piling tactic to take out VidiLune instead of Crushita, who is likely also a psychopath. Logic provided for switching votes to VidiLune was in my estimation no better than logic for anyone else. The pile appears protective because it occurred when the number of votes for Crushita exceeded the number of votes for RedRevenant/Sci, and a suitable alternative piling target (VidiLune) presented itself.
Upon being accused using some of this data, BraveSirRobin's mind seemed primed to believe I had read Personal Messages. If he had nothing incriminating in his Personal Messages, why would he be so concerned as to mistake the PM in a timestamp (ie 5:32 PM) for Personal Message?
I should note that I think that some of the other players in the pile described in paragraph 2 are also acting suspiciously, notably North, who seems to be scattering suspicion to the 4 winds. Maybe it looks like I am too, but meh.. I feel like i'm justified in much of it.
Certainly more justified than most votes I've seen.
Degree of Certainty: 85%. This is a conservative estimate. Pretty sure he's a psychopath.
So. Much. Reading. So. Little. Time.If your logic was correct, then Crushita and North would've also been helping keep BSR out of the picture by joining a stockpile or attempting to stockpile someone... Unless now he is just messing with our minds trying to make us think that the "3 musketeers" that you have pointed out are innocent.
Abstain
I don't actually think BSR is a psycho. I think he's just really new to this and making one mistake after another.
I don't actually think BSR is a psycho. I think he's just really new to this and making one mistake after another.
Could be right could be right.... made the newb mistake of voting for the same person as 2 other people twice.
Sorry for the delay. The phase is over, I'm just calculating results and writing the outcome.
Does this mean that I can no longer comment? :'(
This is just a reminder that the following will need to vote in the next Team Discussion in order to avoid being killed due to inactivity:
@Frozen
@Sapphiron
@Crushita Telcontar
@Bootsie
@Lumenland
*sits in the corner, looking around nervously.
Well, nephew, I tried to convince them you were just an idiot, but they wouldn't believe me. :PI commend you for your attempt. ---------------------------------
(Also, joking of course).
Now I have no idea who the psychos are. :(
My entire worldview is shattered. God doesn't exist!
You can't reveal things like that, can you?!Well it's irrelevant information now, right?
The Rules of the Dead (Bonus DLC) – Unlocked
22) The dead may speak in the thread so long as it's kept to a minimum and in the Split Up phases...as we don't want to disrupt Team Discussion.
23) If a character is killed and wishes to comment (and it is within the limits of the above rule), they must mark their post as Dead so that players don't get confused and think they're still alive.
24) Dead characters may not reveal anything they have knowledge of (A dead seer knowing who a bad guy is, a dead defender telling their defense choices).
25) As per the rules of the player, they are considered "Dead" if they're outed. However, since they are still an active role behind the scenes, a "dead" player is restricted from speaking in the game. Likewise, they will be removed from the Seer's PM if they were scanned earlier, and will go back to being a purely isolated role.
*Facepalm*DEAD
Now everyone's going to think you revealed my role and then quickly took it down. I'm fucked in the next day phase. Thanks a lot, Robin. :P
Hmm
I feel slightly suspicious of it now >.<
*Facepalm*
Great.
Pengu, can I at least tell them what he said and have you confirm whether I'm telling the truth.
I really wish he didn't edit the damn post after posting it in the first place. :P
Killed by his own father. What has the world come to?!
Yeah, that little shit. Also, Pengu, you might want to spoiler-tag that. Everyone hasn't necessarily seen Episode VII. :P
I do remember stating that there wasn't enough evidence against BSR. But nobody listens to the viking...
I'm well aware of the fact that there's no hard evidence. There never is. A fact you may not be aware of is that this isn't my first game of Werewolf. And I'm usually successful with these. So next time don't talk to me like I'm the idiot.I do remember stating that there wasn't enough evidence against BSR. But nobody listens to the viking...
There isn't enough evidence against anyone. There is actually no hard evidence at all.
We have to work with what we have, because we have to lynch someone every single day. If you don't want to make a decision, fine, but I'm going to be proactive and choose the person who I believe is the most likely to be a psychopath.
Everyone should vote, in my opinion. Abstain, and the psychopath's win.
Unless someone is a psychopath and wishes to abstain, that's fine with me.
I can identify at least one cause of our evidence deficit.
Our Stranger should have let someone die the past few nights. I've had a power negation role before, and it's important not to waste it. Early in the game, while the friends have a significant lead, it's imperative to determine patterns of the wolves' kills and allow the Seer time to identify allies and enemies alike. Power negation should only come into play if a) you feel that you're going to be the night's target and want to save yourself or b) it's late in the game, everyone has at least some idea of everyone's loyalties, and it's just a matter of who kills who first.
Now the Stranger has burned two of his/her three negations, and that's two less negations we'll have when it matters.
/me knows who he's still planning on voting for. :P
A n y w a y
The reason why earlier I said I was a tad suspicious of North, was that North was talking about how suspicious Evelynx was, but then the next round came and he suddenly decided not to vote, that to me just seems a tad funky
I could be wrong, though ;-;
If you meet these guys while you're split up, you'll most likely end up getting killed.Perhaps the psychopaths' luck is going the same way as ours.
Vote for him and find out. Don't say I didn't warn you if he turns out to be innocent. We've all had a degree of tunnel vision, and so far it's been biting us in the ass.
Then again, if he does turn out to be a psycho... Shite.
I'll just point out that Sapph is always quiet. And dealing with a lot of Riksråd and Storting politics he'd rather not be dealing with.It's not that I don't appreciate it, but you are defending me an awful lot this time round :P, even with no one expressing suspicion of me.
Maybe we should make a list of people ranking from most suspicious to least suspicious, then decide what to do from there, since we have to start acting smarter in order to kill all the baddies >.<Suspicion is subjective to each person :/
Maybe we should make a list of people ranking from most suspicious to least suspicious, then decide what to do from there, since we have to start acting smarter in order to kill all the baddies >.<Suspicion is subjective to each person :/
All we have is objective data, and we have to decide how to go off of that.
I do find it slightly suspicious that Crushita was so far ahead in votes and we managed to somehow murder VidiLune anyway..An unfortunate turn of events.
Yeah, how did that actually happen? o.oRasdanation voted for her because he found her suspicious, then I did the same but just wrote out my reasoning longer, then a bunch of people bandwagoned. But now I'm voting for Crushita, so hopefully I right my wrong.
Also, was there anyone that ended up changing their vote from some other target to Vidi?Rasdanation voted for VidiLune (1)
Well it IS a game of paranoia.
Getting to see everyone go so crazy like a bunch of monkeys trying to decide who stole their banana can be quite amusing. :))
Well it IS a game of paranoia.
Getting to see everyone go so crazy like a bunch of monkeys trying to decide who stole their banana can be quite amusing. :))
DID YOU STEAL MY BANANA?
So we still have a little under 24 hours left, right?
That abridged night cycle is confusing me.
Vote: Lumenland
Reason: I'd rather not abstain, and not risk having to vote next time, and I doubt this far into the voting phase people would bandwagon onto her, sorry.
Degree of Certainty: 10% again just as a reminder, this is just acting as a filler vote to avoid abstaining
<Evelynx>: quick everyone, bandwagon on lumenlandTake of that ^ what you will...
<Nox>: Lunenland strikes me as really innocent
<Barnes>: *too* innocent...
<Evelynx>: far too innocent
<Evelynx>: probably she's the windigo
<Evelynx>: wendigo
<Barnes>: who's to say you're not?
<Nox>: She's a beautiful cinnamon roll, too pure
<Barnes>: you're the one trying to bandwagon against her
<Barnes>: @Evelynx
<Evelynx>: ohhh shittt
<Evelynx>: the glove has been tossed
Evelynx messily devours Barnes
Barnes was secretly infected with rabies the whole time
Chanku guards Lumenland
Evelynx is technically a repltile
Evelynx and therefore immune to rabies
<Evelynx>: I'd love to see this end up in the topic lol
THAT's what concerns you out of that whole exchange? :P
Also, goddamnit, Eve, you really can't ever keep quiet, can you. :P
Technically, since there are 18 people left over, and 4 of those are psychos, while the wendigo makes 5 baddies, everyone here has a 27.78% chance of being at least a baddie, while everyone has a 22.22% chance of being a psycho. So at the very least, we should be 22.22% certain any given suspect is the baddie, with the numbers as they are right now. 1/5 times we'd be right. And we still manage to be wrong. Every. Fucking. Time.I calculated a (19/25)*(18/24)*(15/20) = 42.75% chance of us having voted off three good guys in a row, given the circumstances of who already died.
<Crushita>: I don't have the time for werewolf xD
<Crushita>: Its hard to make a case when I can't follow the thread for the life of me xD
Evelynx provides Crushita with 2 shrubberies
Crushita accepts shrubberies
<Evelynx>: with a little path going down the middle
<Nox>: Which topic?
<Nox>: Werewolf?
<Evelynx>: yeah there are lots of posts in werewolf
<Evelynx>: i made a script to count votes for me.. >.>
<Crushita>: I might not even vote because I can't follow and just commit suicide xD
<Evelynx>: really?
<Crushita>: Its toooo muuuuuch
<Crushita>: Tooooo muuuuuuuch
<Evelynx>: I suppose we should choose a new target then
<Crushita>: I'm still considering it obviously, its not a choice to take lightly
<Evelynx>: waaiitt
<Crushita>: But its too hard to follow this flipping thread xD
<Crushita>: I don't have the time xD
<Evelynx>: well
<Crushita>: Seriously though, I was not expecting SO MANEH POSTS
<Evelynx>: well well welll
<Crushita>: I can't make an informed choice
<Evelynx>: yeah it's my fault
<Evelynx>: i post so much
<Evelynx>: =(
<Crushita>: And it annoys the potato out of me.
<Evelynx>: the psychos haven't killed anyone
<Crushita>: Because I don't want to play if I don't know what I'm doing xD
<Evelynx>: so it's been hard
<Crushita>: I'm confused enough as it is xD
<Chanku>: ...D-Pants
<Crushita>: Its my first game and I'm just like "What are you doing, what are you saying, how did you come to this? Why does everyone hate me, staph eeeet"
<Crushita>: I'm sitting here trying to survive and I swear everyone is trying their hardest to kill me xD
<Evelynx>: yep
<Evelynx>: you're going down bitch
<Evelynx>: =)
<Crushita>: Yaaaaay.
<Evelynx>: sigh
<Crushita>: Deaaath. Sweeeeet deaaath.
<Evelynx>: but if i'm honest in my gut
<Evelynx>: i don't think you're a psychopath.. -_-
<Crushita>: I no longer have to follow the mess of that thread xD
<Evelynx>: i think we're just going to kill another friend
<Evelynx>: like always
<Crushita>: Tis how this game works it seems xD
<Crushita>: Only psychopath thats gone down was killed by the Wendigo xD
<Evelynx>: yeah that wendigo
<Crushita>: We do more harm then good to ourselves xD
<Barnes>: evelynx, you realize everyone is on watching you
<Evelynx>: highly effective psychopath killer
<Evelynx>: i don't care
<Evelynx>: yeesh
<Evelynx>: everyone dies, it's werewolf.
<Crushita>: I have no doubts that this little log will be posted to the thread xD
<Crushita>: Indeed. Why wait
<Evelynx>: =p
<Evelynx>: i mean, i don't think anyone wants to see me gone though
<Barnes>: the question is why you would have an incentive to die
<Evelynx>: to the psyuchos i'm inept and guiding votes to the wrong people
<Barnes>: because of the goal of the game is to outnumber the friends if you're the psychos
<Crushita>: Because I don't want to waste my time trying to follow this thread
<Barnes>: and to eliminate the psychos/wendigo if you're the friend
<Evelynx>: to the friends i'm .. i dunno, annoying =p
<Evelynx>: i want to get rid of the psychos
<Evelynx>: and if i use my reasoning faculties, crushita seems the best bet
<Crushita>: I feel drained trying to keep up with it.
<Evelynx>: if i use my heart
<Evelynx>: he doesn't.
<Crushita>: I might go the pseudo-abstain route if I feel I can keep up with the game.
<Crushita>: I mean, it IS the weekend.
<Crushita>: Perhaps I'll wait a few days before taking the easy way out
<Evelynx>: i don't want to die, but I really don't think I'm going to get voted off this round, and there's nothing i can do about it fi the psychos want ot kill me..
<Crushita>: Or maybe you'll just lynch me xD
<Crushita>: If I survive then I'm the luckiest bugger alive XD
<Evelynx>: there's just nothing to go on.
<Crushita>: GOSH DANG YOU STRAAANGERRRR
<Evelynx>: this is all part of an elaborate ploy to flush out the psychopaths by sacrificing myself
<Evelynx>: of course.. of course..
Oh, man, this is just the best. :PWhich part? :P
You should really post this in the IRC quotes topic too, haha.
Well, it's better news than people thinking that you are evil ^-^Vote: Lumenland
Reason: I'd rather not abstain, and not risk having to vote next time, and I doubt this far into the voting phase people would bandwagon onto her, sorry.
Degree of Certainty: 10% again just as a reminder, this is just acting as a filler vote to avoid abstaining
It's okay, I'm not angry, I understand you just need a filler vote!
I promise I'm not evil ;-;
I think your vote is too late, Hannah...if the deadline is strictly 6:30pm Pacific.
/me facepalms at his this round has went
YOU KILLED NORTH HANNAH! YOU DID THIS!
YOU KILLED NORTH HANNAH! YOU DID THIS!LET'S JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T KILL OFF SOUTH HANNAH!
Lol, North goes by South in New Hyperion.YOU KILLED NORTH HANNAH! YOU DID THIS!LET'S JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T KILL OFF SOUTH HANNAH!
So if you thought he was a psycho, why do you suddenly think I am?
And also, I've never suspected xXTheHydraXx, taulover, you Sapphiron, North Colby or Gerrick either. I didn't suspect Eve until this snenanigans either. Bottom line is I haven't suspected a lot of people. Does that mean there's a link between us?It's beyond not being suspicious. There's absolutely zero discussion/doubt.
My impression was that Evelynx's vote created the tie and that Hannah's vote broke it, but it was difficult to follow. Pengu's post says he was accused by majority, so I'm guessing that there was no coin-toss.@Pengu can you release your final vote counts for last round?
Guys... What have you done?Second law of thermodynamics: the entropy of a closed system always increases.
I go away for a day and everything goes downhill... Moreso than it already was, I mean.
Crushita (5) changes from North (2) to Evelynx (4)
(http://wintreath.com/forums/index.php?topic=3255.msg62836#msg62836)
Evelynx (4) changes from Crushita (4) to North (3)
(http://wintreath.com/forums/index.php?topic=3255.msg62846#msg62846)
HannahB changes from Evelynx (3) to North (4)
(http://wintreath.com/forums/index.php?topic=3255.msg62854#msg62854)
Pengu just confirmed.
Also, Pengu, shouldn't Frozen be dead now?
DEAD
I shoulda known that casting suspicion on Evelynx would get me killed....
Wait, you guys think I'm the Psycho? ME? Well fuck you guys! I'm going down this dark and isolated corridor to get away from you assholes!
DEAD
I shoulda known that casting suspicion on Evelynx would get me killed....
Wait, you guys think I'm the Psycho? ME? Well fuck you guys! I'm going down this dark and isolated corridor to get away from you assholes!
Farewell, brave North, I'm sorry.
The last door is always followed by a lonely corridor.
A feeling of loss, the death of an unknown friend.
As a forgotten hero, meets his untimely end.
An unnecessary sacrifice for an unnecessary death.
I sigh, I cry, for the fruit of my mistake's last breath.
:(
Go home Evelynx, you're drunk.
Final Vote TallyIn there Lumenland should have 1 vote since I never changed my filler vote...
Crushita – 4 Votes
North – 4 Votes
Evelynx – 3 Votes
Frozen – 3 Votes
Go home Evelynx, you're drunk.
http://wintreath.com/forums/index.php?topic=3255.795
What was your post before you edited it, Wintermoot?
Final Vote TallyIn there Lumenland should have 1 vote since I never changed my filler vote...
Crushita – 4 Votes
North – 4 Votes
Evelynx – 3 Votes
Frozen – 3 VotesGo home Evelynx, you're drunk.
DEAD
And why was my death not written into the store :(
Probably because they regularly murder their friends. Has a chilling effect on the soul
DEAD
So it looks like Frozen..
[Puts on sunglasses]
Was just to cool.
YEAHHHHHHHHHH
It's time for some more team discussion folks! Let's pull out those notebooks and compare notes on who we think the bad guys are!
We'll get back together and see where we're at on Wednesday, February 24th at 3:30AM PST
*ehem*
I'd like to remind people....QuoteIt's time for some more team discussion folks! Let's pull out those notebooks and compare notes on who we think the bad guys are!
We'll get back together and see where we're at on Wednesday, February 24th at 3:30AM PST
So perhaps less spam and more discussions...yes?
22) The dead may speak in the thread so long as it's kept to a minimum and in the Split Up phases...as we don't want to disrupt Team Discussion.
The Wendigo may have abstained in order to avoid accidentally killing another Psychopath. However, the chances of them killing another Psychopath is only 4/15. If you were shooting a gun and had a 4/15 chance of shooting yourself in the foot, would you do it? I would, but I like to take chances, and the Wendigo has nothing but time...Why does this part right here set off all my alarms?
The Wendigo may have abstained in order to avoid accidentally killing another Psychopath. However, the chances of them killing another Psychopath is only 4/15. If you were shooting a gun and had a 4/15 chance of shooting yourself in the foot, would you do it? I would, but I like to take chances, and the Wendigo has nothing but time...Why does this part right here set off all my alarms?
Couldn't Crushita have been saved by a group working with the seer almost as easily as by the psychopaths? Half of the votes for him have been essentially bandwagoning, so I'm really not convinced. The number of votes he's been getting suggests to me that at least one of the psychopaths is voting for Crushita.I'm thinking around these lines as well. What if we're so focused on lynching Crushita that we're missing people lead us to just target for them. I know that sounds weird, but I think that's what they're doing.
If nothing changes, I will be voting for @Bootsie, @xXTheHydraXx, or, most likely, @HannahB.
Couldn't Crushita have been saved by a group working with the seer almost as easily as by the psychopaths? Half of the votes for him have been essentially bandwagoning, so I'm really not convinced. The number of votes he's been getting suggests to me that at least one of the psychopaths is voting for Crushita.I'm thinking around these lines as well. What if we're so focused on lynching Crushita that we're missing people lead us to just target for them. I know that sounds weird, but I think that's what they're doing.
If nothing changes, I will be voting for @Bootsie, @xXTheHydraXx, or, most likely, @HannahB.
Here's what we know from the last round...Crushita was almost certain to be lynched until the very last minute, when thanks to some vote changes North, someone we now know was a friend, was lynched instead. If it was the work of the Seer, then they didn't do that great a job considering they got a friend killed anyways. If it was the work of the wolves, then we have a clear path of suspicion that we can follow in future rounds (Hannah, Evelynx, etc).Are you saying that even if we lynch a friend, it is a good thing because we can figure out who was behind protecting him?
But either way, we have to resolve Crushita's identify before we can go any further, or we'll simply spend the rest of the game debating his guilt or innocence until the wolves win out. That's why, in spite of my long-held suspicion of Laurentus, I feel that it's vital that we lynch Crushita this round. I don't think we'll be able to advance the game in any meaningful way until we know for certain.
Vote Crushita
I do see the logic in lynching Crushita, don't get me wrong. I just don't like it.Same here... as of I see it, the only reason you guys voted for him beforehand was because he was acting strange, which has almost no logic behind it. Then, people start accusing him for joining other bandwagons along with other people, even though it is pretty much expected for him to do this to stay alive. I'd rather stay away from bandwagoning, seeing as this has been our downfall before. Anyways, if he was an important role, wouldn't we see him trying to defend himself from being lynched?
Perhaps his attitude is intentionally nonchalant, seeing as accusations of being of being overly defensive have already flown in this game. Or perhaps he wants to be eliminated for some reason? We won't be able to conclude anything until we know the role that he played, and there's only one way to do that. Given the suspicious events of the last round and the fact that was the second time he had been saved at the last minute, I don't think this is bandwagoning. I'd say it's the best lead we have at the moment.I'd say that he wants to be eliminated, or at least has already accepted the inevitability of his in-game death, going off of what I've seen in IRC (the aforementioned chatlog post (http://wintreath.com/forums/index.php?topic=3255.705) I made). But why he would intentionally sacrifice himself is clueless to me.
Well thank you Zemas, I might aswell explain myself.Now I'm even more suspicious. You don't play the victim very well. :P
I have no idea how I've avoided being lynched twice, either the seer and friends have decided to protect me, or the werewolves are using me to distract people while they get together to lynch other people. (See North)
As I've said, I kinda lost hope after you all almost lynched me the first day. I had and still have no idea what happened to make you guys suspect me. My voting has literally been "Will this let me survive, if yes, vote, if no, don't, unless I suspect a person is innocent beyond a doubt" nobody is innocent beyond a doubt at this point, and few people will.
Still, I doubt this will change your minds, everyone wants to know my role and only my death can tell you guys....
Wow, we really dodged a bullet there.
Yeah, but deciding which will be problematic.¿Por qué no los dos?
I think that Crush voted for Evelynx, switching his vote from North, thereby meaning North had two votes, Evelynx 4 and Crush 5. Then Eve switched from Crush to North, meaning Crush had 4, Evelynx 4 and North 3. Then Hannah switched from Eve to North, meaning North had 4, Crush had 4, and Evelynx 3.This rings the death knell for both Hannah and Eve in my opinion. Eve created the situation where she was tied with Crush, even after Crush had voted for her, and then Hannah came in and substituted North with Eve, whom, by the way, Eve had voted for as well. The entire things screams team effort.
I think that Crush voted for Evelynx, switching his vote from North, thereby meaning North had two votes, Evelynx 4 and Crush 5. Then Eve switched from Crush to North, meaning Crush had 4, Evelynx 4 and North 3. Then Hannah switched from Eve to North, meaning North had 4, Crush had 4, and Evelynx 3.This rings the death knell for both Hannah and Eve in my opinion. Eve created the situation where she was tied with Crush, even after Crush had voted for her, and then Hannah came in and substituted North with Eve, whom, by the way, Eve had voted for as well. The entire things screams team effort.
It could also be a you casting suspicion which you thought people wouldn't bandwagon on, seeing as Aragonn had been suspicious the entire time, and we'd all ignored him for the most part, so when we actually did pile on Crush, you panicked.
It is also clear from your voting pattern that you half-heartedly went for Crush, when North was your true target all the while.
It could also be a you casting suspicion which you thought people wouldn't bandwagon on, seeing as Aragonn had been suspicious the entire time, and we'd all ignored him for the most part, so when we actually did pile on Crush, you panicked.
It is also clear from your voting pattern that you half-heartedly went for Crush, when North was your true target all the while.
You don't go 50/50 on your true target if you have 4 compatriots. If i'm too smart to get high and make a dumb decision, why would I be so dumb as to orchestrate a plan where an ally might die?
It could also be a you casting suspicion which you thought people wouldn't bandwagon on, seeing as Aragonn had been suspicious the entire time, and we'd all ignored him for the most part, so when we actually did pile on Crush, you panicked.
It is also clear from your voting pattern that you half-heartedly went for Crush, when North was your true target all the while.
You don't go 50/50 on your true target if you have 4 compatriots. If i'm too smart to get high and make a dumb decision, why would I be so dumb as to orchestrate a plan where an ally might die?
Are you implying either North or Crush was your ally? o.o
I'm confused ;-;
Ah, but here's the thing: if you and Hannah were working together to make the attempt to save Crush, then you wouldn't have had anything to worry about, so it's not as ludicrous as it sounds. Especially since, you know, Crush did end up surviving while North went down. No matter which way I cut it, two people come to the forefront: you and Hannah.
I still believe that at least one of the wolves was voting for Crushita, if not more than one. What better way to prove your innocence than by sacrificing a comrade who was already suspected anyway?
It's infinitely better to have a 50/50 chance of saving a comrade, than having zero chance of it. If you and Hannah aren't tied, why would she have come in to save you?How many times have you died in those three occasions?
And I really don't care about my suspicion anymore. Three games of Werewolf in which I keep being a suspect has made me quite apathetic to it. I'm going to play the game the way I always do or die trying.
It's infinitely better to have a 50/50 chance of saving a comrade, than having zero chance of it. If you and Hannah aren't tied, why would she have come in to save you?
And I really don't care about my suspicion anymore. Three games of Werewolf in which I keep being a suspect has made me quite apathetic to it. I'm going to play the game the way I always do or die trying.
And I really don't care about my suspicion anymore. Three games of Werewolf in which I keep being a suspect has made me quite apathetic to it. I'm going to play the game the way I always do or die trying.Well, aren't we being a touch overdramatic? :P
... That just keeps bothering me, and I don't see a world in which, if Hannah is a psycho, Evelynx isn't. ...
@Wintermoot - Laurentus always has ulterior motives to his conversation steering. :P It's just a question of which side those motives benefit.You make me sound like a despicable politician. :P
@Wintermoot - Laurentus always has ulterior motives to his conversation steering. :P It's just a question of which side those motives benefit.You make me sound like a despicable politician. :P
At this point I should just get an avatar of Frank Underwood, which is triply (how do you spell that?) given the actor's work in The Usual Suspects and Se7en. :P
*Triply effective.
And bbq?
Then I shall be Francis Urquhart. The original FU.
Well.. shit.. =/
Fare thee well friend, Psychos got their first kill.
We'd be able to tell if the Wendigo did it right, @Pengu? Last time there was a conspicuous ripping in half-ness.
:(
Okay, so the reason for this kill seems obvious: Aragonn was the first person to propose Hannah/Evelynx after the Crushita lynch. The question, of course, is whether this was a direct act of retribution or if someone is trying to draw further suspicion onto them.
It's also possible that someone's trying to draw suspicion onto Colberius, as Aragonn voiced suspicions against him (or that Colberius acted directly).
Since I've already gone over my reasoning...
Vote: HannahB (removed boldedness to not confuse pengu..)
I still think she's the most suspicious person, and I see no reason not to pursue the most promising lead that we have. If she turns out to be a psychopath, then it seems almost certain that Evey is too...between also being involved in the events that led to North being lynched and her constant defense of Hannah. If not...well, we'll have to start over from scratch and re-evaluate.
Crushita Telcontar
2016-02-11 13:45:03
[member=1340]VidiLune[/member]
North
2016-02-11 15:10:10
[member=1340]VidiLune[/member]
Commander_Zemas
2016-02-11 15:16:07
[member=1340]VidiLune[/member]
Broddring Empire
2016-02-11 15:28:12
[member=1340]VidiLune[/member]
BraveSirRobin
2016-02-11 15:54:53
[member=1340]VidiLune[/member]In summation, if I was a psychopath I do not think I would have targeted Aragonn.Yeah, but what about reverse reverse psychology?
In summation, if I was a psychopath I do not think I would have targeted Aragonn.Yeah, but what about reverse reverse psychology?
In order to help stack a vote for one suspect instead of two, I will being voting HannahB (at least for the time being).
I'm just noting it as a possibility. You never know what level others are playing at.
Day 1 VotingAragonn: Commander_Zemas (1)
Tainted Paws: Crushita Telcontar (1)
Rasdanation: VidiLune (1)Evelynx: Rasdanation (1)
Barnes: Crushita Telcontar (2)
taulover: Grand Land of BLarg (1)North: RedRevenant/Sci (1)BraveSirRobin: RedRevenant/Sci (2)Crushita Telcontar: RedRevenant/Sci (3)
Wintermoot: Crushita Telcontar (3)
RedRevenant/Sci: Abstain
Tomb: Crushita Telcontar (4)
VidiLune: Crushita Telcontar (5)
Laurentus: Crushita Telcontar (6)
Sapphiron: Tomb (1)
Lumenland: Tomb (2)Crushita Telcontar: Tomb (3) from RedRevenant/Sci (2)
Gerrick: VidiLune (2)
Colberius X: VidiLune (3)
Aragonn: VidLune (4) from Commander_Zemas (0)
Hannah B: Tomb (4)
Crushita Telcontar: VidiLune (5)
North: VidiLune (6) from RedRevenant/Sci (1)
Commander_Zemas: VidiLune (7) from Tomb (3)
Broddring Empire: VidiLune (8.)
BraveSirRobin: VidiLune (9) from RedRevenant/Sci (0)
xXTheHydraXx: Bootsie (1)
Evelynx: Tomb (4) from Rasdanation (0)
Frozen: DNV
Bootsie: DNV
Grand Land of BLarg: DNVDay 2 VotingLaurentus: Tomb (1)
RedRevenant/Sci: Tomb (2)Evelynx: Tomb (3)
Wintermoot: Tomb (4)
Commander_Zemas: Abstain
Tomb: Rasdanation
Lumenland: Tomb (5)Rasdanation: AbstainEvelynx: Abstain from Tomb (4)
Bootsie: Tomb (5)
North: Tomb (6)
BraveSirRobin: Wintermoot (1)
Frozen: taulover (1)
Crushita Telcontar: Tomb (7)
Aragonn: Crushita Telcontar (1)
Rasdanation: Wintermoot (2) from Abstain
Gerrick: Abstain
xXTheHydraXx: Abstain
Taulover: Tomb (8.)
Taintedpaws: Abstain
Colberius X: BraveSirRobin (1)
Evelynx: BraveSirRobin (2) from Abstain
Sapphiron: Tomb (9)
HannahB: DNV
Barnes: DNV
Broddring Empire: DNV
Grand Land of BLarg: DNVDay 3 VotingAragonn: Crushita Telcontar (1)
Lumenland: AbstainNorth: AbstainBraveSirRobin: Wintermoot (1)
Colberius X: BraveSirRobin (1)
Barnes: Laurentus (1)
Gerrick: HannahB (1)
Laurentus: Barnes (1)
BraveSirRobin: Abstain from Wintermoot (0)
xXTheHydraXx: Bootsie (1)
Rasdanation: Wintermoot (1)
North: Bootsie (2) from Abstain
Bootsie: Abstain
Taulover: Barnes (2)
Wintermoot: Laurentus (2)
Evelynx: BraveSirRobin (2)
HannahB: BraveSirRobin (3)
Crushita Telcontar: Abstain
Commander_Zemas: Frozen (1)
Frozen: DNV
Sapphiron: DNV
Taintedpaws: DNVDay 4 VotingNorth: AbstainEvelynx: North (1)
Aragonn: Crushita Telcontar (1)
Bootsie: North (2)Wintermoot: Laurentus (1)Laurentus: Wintermoot (1)
Gerrick: Crushita Telcontar (2)
Sapphiron: Commader_Zemas (1)Evelynx: Crushita Telcontar (3) from North (1)
Laurentus: Crushita Telcontar (4) from Wintermoot (0)
Rasdanation: Lumenland (1)
Colberius X: Frozen (1)
Taulover: Bootsie (1)
North: Evelynx (1) from Abstain
Lumenland: North (2)Crushita Telcontar: North (3)HannahB: Evelynx (2)
Wintermoot: Crushita Telcontar (5) from Laurentus (0)
Barnes: Evelynx (3)
xXTheHydraXx: Frozen (2)
Commander_Zemas: Frozen (3)
Crushita Telcontar: Evelynx (4) from North (2)
Evelynx: North (3) from Crushita Telcontar (4)
HannahB: North (4) from Evelynx (3)
Frozen: DNVHannahB and Evelynx have voted the same every round except for when HannahB didn't vote. So, yeah, they're definitely tied to each other. I have stated before that I thought HannahB was suspicious, and the only way to find out what they are is to vote, so I vote HannahB.Day 5 VotingLaurentus: Crushita Telcontar (1)
Evelynx: Crushita Telcontar (2)
Taulover: Crushita Telcontar (3)
Aragonn: Crushita Telcontar (4)
Sapphiron: Crushita Telcontar (5)
Wintermoot: Crushita Telcontar (6)
Barnes: Evelynx (1)
Gerrick: Crushita Telcontar (7)
Lumenland: Crushita Telcontar (8.)
Bootsie: Crushita Telcontar (9)
Rasdanation: Abstain
Commander_Zemas: Abstain
xXTheHydraXx: Abstain
Colberius X: Crushita Telcontar (10)
HannahB: DNV
Crushita Telcontar: DNV
xXTheHydraXx+Commander_Zemas : 3
North+Crushita_Telcontar : 3
Wintermoot+Laurentus : 4
Lumenland+Sapphiron : 3
Lumenland+Evelynx : 3
Lumenland+Bootsie : 3
/r/theydidthemathQuote/r/theydidthemonstermathQuote/r/theydidthepossiblyapsychopathmath
Did you just /r/theydidthemath your own post?
In that case...Quote/r/theydidthemathQuote/r/theydidthemonstermathQuote/r/theydidthepossiblyapsychopathmath
Did you just /r/theydidthemath your own post?Considering that the original third one is /r/itwasagraveyardgraph, I think /r/itmightbeapsychopath would be more in line.
In that case...Quote/r/theydidthemathQuote/r/theydidthemonstermathQuote/r/theydidthepossiblyapsychopathmath
Yeah, I agree that's not Gerrick's best ever argument. People begin making an argument like that when they're set on one suspect (or two suspects in this case) and begin interpreting weaker evidence to relate it to their theory. I suspect Eva-B duo as much as anyone else, but we should be careful with what we view as evidence. It's not a given that the Psychos will always vote the same way. Hannah didn't always vote the same way as Crush, either. I think Broddring did, but he died so quickly that analysing his vote and using it as evidence is problematic, since we have too small a sample to work with in his case.
And yet you switched votes from Crush to North. If Hannah isn't a psychopath, I'd be prepared to change course, but this one is one I plan to follow up until the point that they drag Hannah's lifeless body out of the game and reveal her role. :P
It's nothing personal, for the record. :(
You actually voted the same as Hannah three times but yes I see your point
xXTheHydraXx+Commander_Zemas : 3
Sapphiron+Bootsie : 3
HannahB+Evelynx : 3
North+Crushita_Telcontar : 3
Wintermoot+Laurentus : 4
Evelynx+Colberius X : 3
Lumenland+Sapphiron : 4
Lumenland+Evelynx : 3
Lumenland+Bootsie : 4
I want to know what @Sapphiron has to say.What would you like me to comment on? And for the record, I have been studying for and taking examinations for the past few days.
Who are you suspecting most, and why?I want to know what @Sapphiron has to say.What would you like me to comment on? And for the record, I have been studying for and taking examinations for the past few days.
Well, I'll vote for Evelynx as her logic continuously resulted in the death of friends. Hannah has been suspicious, but Eve's outspokenness leading to the death of friends or good power roles makes me more suspicious of her.
Calm down senpai, there's no need for swearing, it's okay ;o;
Calm down senpai, there's no need for swearing, it's okay ;o;
Sorry, I generally just use swearing for emphasis, no offense was intended.
Yeah, Eve getting people killed is really more just the name of the game. A good number of people here don't bother coming up with their own suspects, and THAT'S what leads to innocents getting killed.
In fact, North is the only person she got killed who really set my alarm bells off, more because of the circumstances of the death than the death itself. Even when BSR, a defender, got killed, it could have been an innocent mistake.
I suppose so ;-;Evelynx if the obvious suspect, but besides that we don't really have anything very strong to go off.
Who would be our biggest suspects at the moment?
Woo just 2 more psychos left, then the wendigo.Since she was associated with Hannah anyway, the question is whether we can afford to sacrifice a possible friend in order to find out Evelynx's true role, which still has the chance of being a psychopath.I suppose so ;-;Evelynx if the obvious suspect, but besides that we don't really have anything very strong to go off.
Who would be our biggest suspects at the moment?
Or rather, guilt by association :P
Hmm. At this point Eve's innocence depends on how much I can believe her judgment could really have been THAT shit as a Friend. :P
One of the problems with being perceived as smart is that everyone grows suspicious-as-fuck when you legitimately fucked up by accident. :PSpeak for yourself. I'm always that suspicious of the smart ones. Such as yourself.
How can you trust someone you mistrust?I am pretty sure this applies to you. :P
How can you trust someone you mistrust?I am pretty sure this applies to you. :P
Anyway I thought that we all mistrust each other went without saying. :PNot for confirmed allies though ^-^
To lynch someone else, of course, though who would be up to the group of course. :P@Wintermoot: You've been suspicious of Laurentus, right? I already believe that he's a good enough player to pass himself off as an innocent while actually a bad guy. So I'd like you to try and convince me.
I will produce my best guess analysis.. You guys can poke at it, if it doesn't satisfy you or just makes me more suspicious, I guess you'll have no choice.
This is a terrible day for us.
Pengu, the Psychopaths had a special power. Were they obligated to use out last night? Could they both use it and kill someone? If they identified the Wendigo, would they be able to communicate with the Wendigo, much like the seer with a friend?
Other than the possibility of Sapphiron being a bad guy absolutely terrifying me, but that's just 'cause I've seen what he can do.I am not as manipulative as what you are trying to describe me as. :P Meanwhile, I am going to vote for Evelynx, just as I have done for HannahB the previous day phase.
@Wintermoot: You've been suspicious of Laurentus, right? I already believe that he's a good enough player to pass himself off as an innocent while actually a bad guy. So I'd like you to try and convince me.
Accusing either Laurentus and Sapphiron right now would be based entirely on conjecture, but they're the two players who, in my opinion, are the most cause for concern if they turn out to be baddies. That's as much as I've got to say at the moment. Other than the possibility of Sapphiron being a bad guy absolutely terrifying me, but that's just 'cause I've seen what he can do.
I don't feel it likely too make any difference how innocent I am or how guilty someone else is at this point. Maybe if I finish up everything else up on my to-do first.You can help us out of the goodness of your heart. If you turn out to be innocent, then we can heed it later. You'd be helping us win, I suppose, even if you don't win.
Analysis takes time, and i feel like nobody has been listening to my arguments for awhile.
Also, jumping on the bandwagon is one thing, but to drive it in the way I've been doing is a completely different story. I'd gain nothing from so aggressively going after my fellow Wolves. At best, I'd be buying time for myself, but in reality, sacking so many allies would just weaken my chances of winning.Let's not be disingenuous, Laurentus...it doesn't suit you and only makes you look more suspicious. You'd have much to gain from going after them to avoid more suspicion, and since Crushita and Hannah were going to be voted off anyways you'd have little to lose. It's one thing to deny that this is the case, but it's another to try to claim that you would have no reason to do so as a psychopath.
Nice. We have brutally murdered 2 friends as a group.
Hopefully the stranger won't be an asshole and stop anything from happening.
So we can make a more informed decision.
Oops, I just said the stranger was an asshole for stopping anything from happening! That sounds suspicious better correct it.
It's time for another Team Discussion, folks! Time to get together and discuss what you know! This discussion will end on Wednesday, March 2nd at 5AM PST.@Pengu please we need to know the results
22) The dead may speak in the thread so long as it's kept to a minimum and in the Split Up phases...as we don't want to disrupt Team Discussion.
Also, before I forget, again...I'm going to stress this rule:Quote22) The dead may speak in the thread so long as it's kept to a minimum and in the Split Up phases...as we don't want to disrupt Team Discussion.
Since we're still getting Dead players posting in the Team Discussions.
DEAD
So Eve, congratulations, I think you win the award for worst lookout in the history of ever. Seriously.
Also, before I forget, again...I'm going to stress this rule:Quote22) The dead may speak in the thread so long as it's kept to a minimum and in the Split Up phases...as we don't want to disrupt Team Discussion.
Since we're still getting Dead players posting in the Team Discussions.
DEAD
That particular point out wasn't directed at me by any chance was it? Lol. Don't worry, I'll be good. I'm going to start planning my own forum games, no reason to stick around for this one. I hope the friends win though.DEAD
So Eve, congratulations, I think you win the award for worst lookout in the history of ever. Seriously.
Sorry, North. First game, and I had a lot of fun with it, even though I lost, and that's all I care about. You can not appoint me in your own games as you wish.
Since you were still alive until just moments ago, I don't see how. :P
It was more directed at Ras' occasional requests for popcorn during the T.D. :P
DEADAlso, before I forget, again...I'm going to stress this rule:Quote22) The dead may speak in the thread so long as it's kept to a minimum and in the Split Up phases...as we don't want to disrupt Team Discussion.
Since we're still getting Dead players posting in the Team Discussions.
DEAD
That particular point out wasn't directed at me by any chance was it? Lol. Don't worry, I'll be good. I'm going to start planning my own forum games, no reason to stick around for this one. I hope the friends win though.DEAD
So Eve, congratulations, I think you win the award for worst lookout in the history of ever. Seriously.
Sorry, North. First game, and I had a lot of fun with it, even though I lost, and that's all I care about. You can not appoint me in your own games as you wish.
Since you were still alive until just moments ago, I don't see how. :P
It was more directed at Ras' occasional requests for popcorn during the T.D. :P
DEAD
TMI Pengu. We don't need to hear this much about your guys' relationship.
Also, you should get that checked out.
DEAD
TMI Pengu. We don't need to hear this much about your guys' relationship.
Also, you should get that checked out.
...pretty sure I'm not a ghost since I can't die in this game. :P
DEAD
TMI Pengu. We don't need to hear this much about your guys' relationship.
Also, you should get that checked out.
...pretty sure I'm not a ghost since I can't die in this game. :P
DEAD
But ghosts can't die either... maybe you are a ghost... maybe you have been all along... :o
Also, before I forget, again...I'm going to stress this rule:Quote22) The dead may speak in the thread so long as it's kept to a minimum and in the Split Up phases...as we don't want to disrupt Team Discussion.
Since we're still getting Dead players posting in the Team Discussions.
DEAD
That particular point out wasn't directed at me by any chance was it? Lol. Don't worry, I'll be good. I'm going to start planning my own forum games, no reason to stick around for this one. I hope the friends win though.DEAD
So Eve, congratulations, I think you win the award for worst lookout in the history of ever. Seriously.
Sorry, North. First game, and I had a lot of fun with it, even though I lost, and that's all I care about. You can not appoint me in your own games as you wish.
Hey, its all good. I'm genuinely curious though, what made you suspect me in the first place?
Also, I'm not a ghost, I'm a spirit. Boo.
Yeah, but it's best not to focus your absolute attention on harping on him. He has reasons for suspicion, yes, but he's also the kind of player to use your tone/enthusiasm against you.Let him try. :P
But I mean are we just going to ignore Eve-san's suspicions or are we waiting until we're done with Laurentus-sanI think "Eve-san" may have something worth considering, but "Laurentus-san" has earned my (nearly) full attention for the moment.
DEAD
@xXTheHydraXx don't let the line of the Noble House of Valeria end!! You are the last of our generation!!
(https://wintreath.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fvignette2.wikia.nocookie.net%2Fdoctorwhofanon%2Fimages%2F6%2F60%2FSighsm7.gif%2Frevision%2Flatest%3Fcb%3D20140517155048&hash=b4f5d4ea97f21058597b9a2b6c1ee56e)But I mean are we just going to ignore Eve-san's suspicions or are we waiting until we're done with Laurentus-sanI think "Eve-san" may have something worth considering, but "Laurentus-san" has earned my (nearly) full attention for the moment.
Uhh... Actually being an evil genius? :P(https://wintreath.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fvignette2.wikia.nocookie.net%2Fdoctorwhofanon%2Fimages%2F6%2F60%2FSighsm7.gif%2Frevision%2Flatest%3Fcb%3D20140517155048&hash=b4f5d4ea97f21058597b9a2b6c1ee56e)But I mean are we just going to ignore Eve-san's suspicions or are we waiting until we're done with Laurentus-sanI think "Eve-san" may have something worth considering, but "Laurentus-san" has earned my (nearly) full attention for the moment.
What exactly did I do to become known as such an evil genius? :P
If Laurentus is indeed a psychopath, perhaps he's afraid that eliminating me during the night phase would cast suspicion on him since I've been so vocal about my suspicion towards him. Otherwise, I'm as surprised as you are.Your form of interpretation isn't wrong, but another way of thinking about it is that if Laurentus is a psychopath and he decides to eliminate you during the night phase, he can easily justify it by claiming that the bad guys are intentionally targeting you to frame him.
How would you explain the fact that you are still surviving? :P
Oh, well, the shit has hit the fan, and it seems I'm done for, especially with Eve's reveal as a Defender. I could point out that a shitload of people fell onto that bandwagon, but I doubt that will win me much support. Do what you gotta do.Just as you have called me out for being out of character for making retaliatory votes the last time, I am going to call you out for this lack of commitment in defending yourself. The norm is you making long, detailed posts debunking false accusations. The energy and motivation for self-preservation is sorely lacking here, which is rather similar to how Crushita reacted when he was about to be lynched. The connection may be weak, but I am just going to point it out.
Your form of interpretation isn't wrong, but another way of thinking about it is that if Laurentus is a psychopath and he decides to eliminate you during the night phase, he can easily justify it by claiming that the bad guys are intentionally targeting you to frame him.In that case, I suppose it comes down to who you believe. If I'm eliminated, I would hope that people would continue pursuing Laurentus, because I'm absolutely convinced that he's one of the baddies and I'm willing to stake my remaining time in this game on it.
In regards to your question, I would attribute it partly to my lackluster involvement. My insufficient remarks can easily be perceived as wolf behaviour, and my erroneous votes are an additional entanglement, both of which make me an easy target to remove during the day phase. There just isn't any point for removing me in the night phase.
Meanwhile, since you appear to be absolutely convinced about Laurentus being one of the wolves, would you be so kind to consolidate and post the exact quotes that resulted in the suspicion? Or perhaps you are alluding to your role as the Seer Lauren?
Like. That can apply to anyone who's still alive from that list.I beg to differ. Of those on the list who are participating and still alive, two of us didn't vote to lynch our last defender.
While my logic is dodgy, the point stands that some of us didn't participate in yesterday's lynch of a defender. This simply means that some of us warrant more consideration than others.
The psychopaths know who is of their own, and wouldn't have hesitated to help ensure the elimination of an Unknown. This late in the game, voting against such an elimination would not be a wise idea. Sure, Evelynx could have been the Wendigo, but for the Psychos, that's a risk worth taking. Even if the we find out who the Wendigo is, we can't kill it until the Psychopaths are dead, giving the baddies plenty of time to work together and end the game.
Ergo, a Psychopath would not have voted against the Evelynx lynch. Unless, of course, they wanted to make this very argument. But I think even you'll agree that that's far-fetched.
I will also admit that the Wendigo was under no similar pressure to vote for Evelynx. If the Wendigo believed Evelynx was a Psycho, as many good guys obviously did, the Wendigo could have voted against it to try and save her. Once again, though, the safer bet for the Wendigo is to bandwagon on the Unknown.
[big]But I think even you'll agree that that's far-fetched.[/big]
@Evelynx, I think I'll need some of your weed.
I've been thinking about this for awhile, but Laurentus did seem to, early on, emphasize how he's been persecuted repeatedly in earlier Werewolves, which is something he usually doesn't do. On the other hand, that might just be a response to the sudden influx of new players.Is he trying to change up his strategy hoping to not get persecuted, because he says he's always been persecuted for playing how he did before?
If Laurentus killed Colby, though, it does seem not subtle enough for him. Of course, that could be what he wants us to think.
If HannahB does turn out to be a psycho, then who is most likely to be the other psychos? o.o
If Laurentus-san turns out to be a baddie, then what does that mean for us? o.o
What connections will we be able to draw from it? ;-;
DEAD'Twas the Wendigo who killed you. :PBOOOOOOO. Eat shit for killing me, Laurentusssssssssssss
DEADThank you. You fought well, Psycho.
Well played, Colby. :P
I mean, if anything, this is only making me more suspicious of you instead ;o;, since it seems more like a half baked, feeble attempt to more or less, draw attention away from yourself. Tossing out a half done suspicion in order to make people turn a blind eye to yourself, or maybe even someone else if the psycho and wendigo are in kahoots together now. Not that I'm exactly saying you're a baddie, but it seems kinda funky to me you would just pull this out of no where, and have kinda useless evidence against me, and that's usually a tactic done by people who are trying to divert attention from themselves? o.oNeglecting the amusing fact that this is your first ever attempt at asserting your suspicion and posting a moderately long post (a common mistake for wolves), your entire argument is simply repeating the statement "Sapphiron is trying to divert attention from him.", which is fundamentally flawed because until now, besides remarks of me being extremely dangerous should I be one of the bad guys, there has been no proper argument laid against me. By opening gunning for you, I am in fact receiving an undue amount of attention. Please, if anyone would like proof that I am friend-aligned, I am willing to volunteer putting my head on the table.
I just actually like to go off of facts we already haveThis so-called "fact" is a product of Evelynx's speculation, period. A fact must have been proven to be true, such as being scanned by the Seer.
is just really done with my crap :PMeanwhile, I am really intrigued by how you readily classify your argument as "crap", which is a term I have never used against you. Your subconscious is betraying you. ;)
I might as well just urge people to vote against Sapp-san then *shrugs*Would you like to offer your survival in the next Team Discussion as well?
We'll end this discussion and split up again on Tuesday, March 6th at 9PM PST.
<Pengu>: .ask Sapphiron or Lumenland?
<Zaphyr>: Pengu: sapphiron
<Pengu>: .ask Sapphiron or Lumenland?
<Zaphyr>: Pengu: sapphiron
<Pengu>: .ask Sapphiron or Lumenland?
<Zaphyr>: Pengu: sapphiron
<Pengu>: .ask Sapphiron or Lumenland?
<Zaphyr>: Pengu: sapphiron
<Pengu>: .ask Sapphiron or Lumenland?
<Zaphyr>: Pengu: sapphiron
<Pengu>: .ask Lumenland or Sapphiron?
<Zaphyr>: Pengu: sapphiron?
<Pengu>: .ask Lumenland or Sapphiron?
<Zaphyr>: Pengu: sapphiron?
<Pengu>: .ask Saph or Lum?
<Zaphyr>: Pengu: saph
<Pengu>: .ask Lum or Saph?
<Zaphyr>: Pengu: lum
<Pengu>: .ask Lum or Saph?
<Zaphyr>: Pengu: saph?
<Pengu>: .ask Sapphiron or Lumenland
<Zaphyr>: Pengu: sapphiron
<Pengu>: .ask Sapphiron or Lumenland
<Zaphyr>: Pengu: lumenland
<Pengu>: .ask Sapphiron or Lumenland
<Zaphyr>: Pengu: sapphiron
DEAD
who's galadriel?
DEAD
Oh by the way Lumenland, I do apologize for that excessive aggressiveness. It's a part of me that is usually kept concealed. :P
DEADWelcome to the land of the dead. We have internet, cookies, biltong, custard and a shit-load of marijuana, but no popcorn.
Oh by the way Lumenland, I do apologize for that excessive aggressiveness. It's a part of me that is usually kept concealed. :P
DEADDEAD
Well, let's hope to thetEMMIE gODWendigo just happens to kill that psychopath...
Dead in a bathtub, naked and masturbating. What a way to go. :-[It's how he would have wanted to die. We know this.
Okay, well I'm thinking Lumenland is who we should vote for. I mean, she thought Commander_Zemas was suspicious, and tried to convince Wintermoot to vote for him, but suddenly, they are dead. It's either her or someone framing her.I'm worried it's a red herring, but unless we have something else to go with, I think we have to lynch Lumenland.
I'd just suggest getting rid of the least active person, so we can start to narrow things down, it's the safer route, in my opinion.We can't take that chance. If we lynch the wrong person, the bad guys will outnumber us and we lose.
Agreed. Every vote counts now. In the beginning, we could willy-nilly vote for people, but now it's down to the wire.I'd just suggest getting rid of the least active person, so we can start to narrow things down, it's the safer route, in my opinion.We can't take that chance. If we lynch the wrong person, the bad guys will outnumber us and we lose.
The fact that we have only five of us left surprises me. It's a friend, the player, the stranger, a psychopath, and the wendigo. All of us have different roles, oddly enough.Didn't the Stranger use up all his powers?
I'm not sure why the stranger didn't negate powers last night, though, because that would've been far more helpful in keeping us alive. Now we're just down to a situation where if we vote out a good guy, we all lose.
Well, I still say vote for the quietest person, it's certainly help narrow things down, at least a little bit. So, I vote for tauloverReally? I'm quieter than Bootsie?
You shouldn't look at things so black and white :pDEAD
DEAD
I'm taking Barnes's word that the phase was already supposed to have ended.
It seems both Barnes and Lumenland don't understand the situation here. With three good guys and two baddies, the death of one more good guy is an immediate victory for the baddies, since the goal for the baddies isn't to outnumber the good guys, but to become equal in number with them. That's how Werewolf works.
You shouldn't look at things so black and white :pDEAD
This is the only really intelligent thing I've read from you all day phase. If I hadn't been slaughtered at the hands of Laurentus, I'd vote for you too.
DEADDEAD
I'd be interested in hearing how Sapph came up with the link between me and Lumen once the game is over.
The game quoted to outnumber the good guys, despite my initial thoughts of matching in number. I initially started calculating odds incorporating the chance of equalling the number of good guys, but I wanted to use the game's original post as the final word on the details.DEAD
I'm taking Barnes's word that the phase was already supposed to have ended.
It seems both Barnes and Lumenland don't understand the situation here. With three good guys and two baddies, the death of one more good guy is an immediate victory for the baddies, since the goal for the baddies isn't to outnumber the good guys, but to become equal in number with them. That's how Werewolf works.
Laurentus is correct. If the remaining bad guys equal the remaining good guys, they automatically win. Right now, that would mean that the Wendigo and Player would have to both survive while everyone else died. Earlier, it'd just have to be the Player and friend/stranger and the remaining Psycho and Wendigo.
1) The bad guys win the game if they outnumber the good guys.@Pengu you might want to rephrase this next time.
Quote1) The bad guys win the game if they outnumber the good guys.@Pengu you might want to rephrase this next time.
Dead
As I was saying, @Evelynx's support = psycopath beacon. :P
Also, if the Player is killed, does he/she count as alive for deciding if the wolves win?
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0xDxihgw66nDEAD
I was told to post this
Friends still living ( 5 ):You might want to change that number...
* @taulover
* @Barnes
* @xXTheHydraXx
* @Bootsie
Good Roles: ( 3 )Is this a typo?
*The Player
*The Stranger
*A Friend
Bad roles: (1)
*Psychopath
Yes it is. :P Thank you for pointing that out.You still haven't fixed the friends still living to 4 instead of 5
Yes it is. :P Thank you for pointing that out.You still haven't fixed the friends still living to 4 instead of 5
At random, we have a 3/4 chance of losing, because one friend (three out of the four of us) will get lynched, and then another will be killed by the wendigo overnight, putting it at 1 to 1: an automatic loss for us. We can't risk those odds, so we should go off of anything better than chance.We actually have a 50% chance of losing, because the Player cannot be killed. It's still very bad chances though, and if that happens, the remaining good guy with only have a 50% chance of winning.
@taulover @Bootsie @xXTheHydraXx
So I already assumed Choice 2, and made the decision to vote for Barnes with that in mind (my secondary suspicion was of him being the Player, so it would make strategic sense to vote for him instead of an alternate candidate).Also, if the Player is killed, does he/she count as alive for deciding if the wolves win?
Yes. Since the player cannot die, they will last to the end.
Is this even a choice?
Choice 1 = ~0% chance of winning.
Choice 2 = 50% chance of winning (assuming that you're a good guy and don't die).
Choice 2
And @Pengu... I asked you during the last night round whether the Player counts as alive for determining who wins, and you said yes.So I already assumed Choice 2, and made the decision to vote for Barnes with that in mind (my secondary suspicion was of him being the Player, so it would make strategic sense to vote for him instead of an alternate candidate).Also, if the Player is killed, does he/she count as alive for deciding if the wolves win?
Yes. Since the player cannot die, they will last to the end.
Should the Wendigo choose to kill a victim, there is a potential glitch that may affect the end, which I didn't foresee happening until now.
We actually have a 50% chance of losing, because the Player cannot be killed. It's still very bad chances though, and if that happens, the remaining good guy with only have a 50% chance of winning.
I wouldn't be opposed to calling the game a draw if it does come down to that scenario. Would that be a better idea for everyone?DEAD