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On the Citizenship topic, I took some time today to put together data to help us make a decision on time. You can view it on this Google spreadsheet. Out of the 86 Citizens we currently have, here's how that changes based on the timeframe we decide for someone to make a single post on the Discord, RMB, or forums:

12 Months: 56 Citizens
6 Months: 43 Citizens
2 Months: 31 Citizens

Breaking Down
On Discord, 19 Citizens have never provided a Discord account for account linking (likely meaning most of them have never been on the Discord). 13 more were on the Discord at one time, but have since left (those are marked pinkish-red on the Discord column).

On NationStates, 46 Citizens' nations are currently CTE, just over a majority (marked pinkish red). 5 more exist but are in other regions (marked gold in the column).

Of course, everyone has been on the forums at some point or another, but in this day and age the vast majority of people's most recent activity is on Discord.

Some Thoughts
Most of the people who would lose Citizenship fall under 3 categories: those who have genuinely left, those who haven't been active but are maintaining a NS nation (in the old government this was sufficient to maintain Citizenship - Augustus Anumia hasn't posted anywhere since 2015 but is still maintaining a nation), and those handful of people who were Paragons in the old government. 

Paragons were people whose accomplishments were considered so outstanding at the time that the legislature granted them permanent Citizenship. Most were genuinely stand-out members of the community at the time those votes happened, but most of them have not been around in years and most modern members wouldn't know who they are. I suppose one question to consider is whether they would continue to have permanent Citizenship, not have Citizenship but keep the Paragon title, or do away with Paragons altogether. If we're basing this on the community as it is now, and look down on status symbols, then doing away with it altogether would make the most sense, but I don't have a strong opinion either way.

Coming back to this discussion of citizenship over a month later, I think an "Inactive Citizen" role/status would be better than removing citizenship. It allows for the easy visibility of who usually engages without taking away anything from those who don't. Unfortunately, this would either have to be done manually on a regular schedule, or have a bot programmed that goes through and checks automatically, although taking away citizenship would have to be done the same. 

Curious to hear any thoughts about the activity cut-off point, as I talked about on September 1st.

Coming back to this discussion of citizenship over a month later, I think an "Inactive Citizen" role/status would be better than removing citizenship. It allows for the easy visibility of who usually engages without taking away anything from those who don't. Unfortunately, this would either have to be done manually on a regular schedule, or have a bot programmed that goes through and checks automatically, although taking away citizenship would have to be done the same.

Sorry for the delay in replying ;-;

I'm curious, what are the benefits of having such a role (we do have that role on the forums, so I assume we're talking about Discord)? The vast majority of people who are former Citizens aren't around at all anymore, and a handful of others have become lurkers. Based on the rules we're considering, by definition former Citizens wouldn't have engaged at all in some time. I'm not opposed to the idea, I'm just curious to know what the benefit would be to slightly elevating former Citizens above where they already are in the Discord member list.

Curious to hear any thoughts about the activity cut-off point, as I talked about on September 1st.

Coming back to this discussion of citizenship over a month later, I think an "Inactive Citizen" role/status would be better than removing citizenship. It allows for the easy visibility of who usually engages without taking away anything from those who don't. Unfortunately, this would either have to be done manually on a regular schedule, or have a bot programmed that goes through and checks automatically, although taking away citizenship would have to be done the same.

Sorry for the delay in replying ;-;

I'm curious, what are the benefits of having such a role (we do have that role on the forums, so I assume we're talking about Discord)? The vast majority of people who are former Citizens aren't around at all anymore, and a handful of others have become lurkers. Based on the rules we're considering, by definition former Citizens wouldn't have engaged at all in some time. I'm not opposed to the idea, I'm just curious to know what the benefit would be to slightly elevating former Citizens above where they already are in the Discord member list.

I think that if reapplying is required to regain it, 6 months is probably the way to go. If you automatically regain it with activity then 2 months is the way to go. 12 months feels very long to me. The longer you have it, the less people you will have posting as a chore to keep it, as there's far more time to forget about it. If a lack of activity results in removal, 6 months is probably a good enough length of time for anyone who would post as a chore to maintain to forget about it.

The benefits of having such a role would be to remove those whose accounts just sit around without participating, without creating as much "posting as a chore purely to retain citizenship". I feel that if people don't truly lose their citizenship they won't be as encouraged to do that.

I'm fine with 6 months as well.

For automatically restoring Citizenship if they become active again, that'd be doable on forums and RMB. It's Discord that would be the problem, since the last time I looked into that the only way to know would be to have a script scan every message in every channel made since the last time it was ran and check the username against the list of Citizen Discord.

I would prefer reapplication, since people may come back and not necessarily want to be involved in Wintreath on a deeper level, but we can look at making some parts of the app optional if they're returning...I'm not sure they would need to reintroduce themselves, answer how they discovered Wintreath, or post their Discord and NS nation unless those have changed. It may just be making a post that says you want to be a Citizen again.