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Corbin's post reeks of damage control.

For the record, I strongly disagree with Corbin's conclusion that KoD is unpaired Killer based off how KoD and Neon have been acting and interacting in the thread, but I can follow the line of logic, and it reads like inexperienced town logic.

The entire post also attempts to use the techniques I mentioned in my explanation post, so more points towards effort as inexperienced town with nonstandard communication style putting in the effort to meet everyone else where they're at.

So when KoD flips town you're actually going to listen to me? Or are you just going to keep spinning a false narrative that because me and KoD have become intimately familiar with each other's game and we have strong town reads in each other that means we are W/W.

Because so far you're only stated reason for either of us being remotely wolfy is that we have cleared each other town and are reading the game the same, which is in itself not entirely true. We've certainly read parts the same but our individual reads differ.

For me, it's too early and too chaotic for me to say anything for sure, but Dominaria has a fair point... those who lie talk on and on in an effort to justify themselves to themselves or to other people (thanks JCS).

Unfortunately this game requires snap reads and paranoid judgements it is what makes it most fun but also what drives many players away. It is psychological. With that said you certainly at least feel someone is more suspicious or less suspicious than others. I think you're a first time or at least relatively new player so I'm not coming at you from a place of suspicion but rather I want you to engage with us so we can find the bad guys and win ^^

That's because I am a first time player! Closest thing I've come to this style of strategizing and consideration is in Among Us, and even then, I do not immediately go after particular people... I think part of it too is because, since moving, I missed out on the happenings of the first day, so having to catch up and compartmentalize all that info plus trying to read subtext has been difficult for me. I take no offense at all, Neon, thank you for the words of encouragement. I'll try to do better, even if I feel lost right now!

No problem Werewolf is a tough game to learn but unlike among us there's never really a ton of info to go off of. Sometimes you might get some but a lot of the time we just have to read words and actions in the thread and make our decisions from that

I'd also like to state that the reason I read Corbin and Svip differently is the content and context of their posts. And I will now point out what I mean just let me gather the relevant info. 

Oh my god multi quoteeeeee

A thin, young man enters the Golden Gnome ceremony studio, gazing shyly at all the other participants. He gazes anxiously at his pocket-watch, clearly uncomfortable with something, whether it be the level of formality or the number of people.

Thread entrance largely unassuming fits in with the general vibe at the moment is whatever.

OOC: My apologies for not meeting the minimum posts… as I may have already mentioned, I moved to a new location for my summer internship, and pretty much all of my energy has gone into moving in and getting settled down. This won’t happen again. I’m sorry everyone…

IC: As if the poor man wasn’t anxious enough, he stared down at the deceased party members absolutely shaken to the core. He turned to the other guests, solemnly taking a cookie just to distract himself if for a moment.

First post of second day. Feels genuine I buy into the reasoning for missing day 1 and genuinely believe that they feel sorry about missing the post requirements

For me, it's too early and too chaotic for me to say anything for sure, but Dominaria has a fair point... those who lie talk on and on in an effort to justify themselves to themselves or to other people (thanks JCS).

Contributing in the way they can with limited knowledge of the game of Werewolf. Referencing JCS a channel I also watch that explains the psychology behind criminals lying something vastly important in hunting down lying scum here. Not the most inspiring content but this is content that is focused on the game itself.

For me, it's too early and too chaotic for me to say anything for sure, but Dominaria has a fair point... those who lie talk on and on in an effort to justify themselves to themselves or to other people (thanks JCS).

Unfortunately this game requires snap reads and paranoid judgements it is what makes it most fun but also what drives many players away. It is psychological. With that said you certainly at least feel someone is more suspicious or less suspicious than others. I think you're a first time or at least relatively new player so I'm not coming at you from a place of suspicion but rather I want you to engage with us so we can find the bad guys and win ^^

That's because I am a first time player! Closest thing I've come to this style of strategizing and consideration is in Among Us, and even then, I do not immediately go after particular people... I think part of it too is because, since moving, I missed out on the happenings of the first day, so having to catch up and compartmentalize all that info plus trying to read subtext has been difficult for me. I take no offense at all, Neon, thank you for the words of encouragement. I'll try to do better, even if I feel lost right now!

I also feel like this feels real in the way they are explaining how they are feeling overwhelmed and trying to play catch up something vastly difficult in Werewolf that has caused a lot of players to simply disappear from the games here in the past.

I want to say a few things to Svip personally. I hope you understand your doing great and I wish I could sit here and explain things step by step which is why I'm hoping we can get a Werewolf mentorship program running. I think you are a player who can do great here and if someone can help explain the game while playing with you it will really help. I hope you don't quit after one game because I think your already playing well and think you can be one of our best players. Also I just realized I don't know your pronouns and the mobile site doesn't tell me so uh let me know if you want lol.

i don't though im not familiar with half of the media listed. I can just assure you that I am tentatively connected to the profane practice of d*ntistry at worst

why? just why?

Thread entrance largely whatever and these quotes are all out of order so...fuck multiquote lol

*squints at KoD*

You are either town that is wrong or scum that is deliberately misleading for the purposes of thread control because the way you back off over Michi's alignment feels icky. You shade Michi for the flavor solving angle even though I 1) explicitly agreed with his attempt except for the RHPS speculation and 2) actively contributed further flavor solving, yet I get townread and he gets scumread?

And then there's the whole speculation bit over why the SK targeted Numbers that spends quite a lot of wordage discussing the cookie metaphor Numbers used to express his opinion that we should consolidate wagons, which leads the reader to recall that Michi is vocally opposed to lynching, and that just trips the "this is scum aiming for an easy mislynch" detector.

Vote: KingofDominaria

I understand the thought process here Mel but this KoD is just KoD being town. Nothing here stands out as something I would not suspect of him and I don't think I could ever vote him right now. The NKs don't even really make sense for an SK or mafia lead KoD here. I guess maybe Numbers one could argue but I feel like he wasn't pressuring KoD nearly enough to warrant a kill and the vote was really just OMGUS

Really though. That I was correct about the characters for 2 of the roles should have you all suspicious of me for having TMI. Everyone townreading me is sus. Except for Michi because I want to deathtunnel him, only 100% of my early game deathtunnel targets have been town in recent games, so I'm reverse psycholgizing myself into seeing him as town.

I think I brought up TMI already with regards to you yesterday if I didn't I meant to or thought it at least. However like TMI only really makes sense in regards to your scum buds right your not going to explicitly be told every role in the game or know every detail so this reasoning feels like fishing

For me, it's too early and too chaotic for me to say anything for sure, but Dominaria has a fair point... those who lie talk on and on in an effort to justify themselves to themselves or to other people (thanks JCS).

Unfortunately this game requires snap reads and paranoid judgements it is what makes it most fun but also what drives many players away. It is psychological. With that said you certainly at least feel someone is more suspicious or less suspicious than others. I think you're a first time or at least relatively new player so I'm not coming at you from a place of suspicion but rather I want you to engage with us so we can find the bad guys and win ^^

alright, first off how did you all become pollititions all of a suddon? and profeshinal writers at the same time?  I may be stupid and new, but i think that you are all just grasping at nothing. Like where is the evidence? you just write and write! like me now! If you are going to present someone make it clear and don't hide it behind paragraphes! Just put it out here with bullet points.

RIght now i am susspishous of CoD, the fish king, becase they type so much and it anoyes my eyes and makes me sleepy.

I hate this in every single way imaginable. We've expressed our thoughts and provided reasons we are reading the game based off the info we have which is the only way we can read the game. This is bad and I hate it.

Fuck I deleted part of this

i would like to appologize, its just soo much and i don't qite understand as i am new to these things. just was not expecting soo much reading. i htougth it ousld be small points so i appologize.

For reference this is the third post. Unlike Svip who seems genuine in their confusion when speaking Corbin displays defensiveness when talking about how confused they are and hides behind a fake cover. I'm going to attack the play not the player and hope you understand that I'm not talking about you but rather your posts. Their response to me doubles down on the lost player narrative while also racing extremely defensively to my call out without addressing the narrative behind the call out whereas Svip directly responded to what I asked.

alright, first off how did you all become pollititions all of a suddon? and profeshinal writers at the same time?  I may be stupid and new, but i think that you are all just grasping at nothing. Like where is the evidence? you just write and write! like me now! If you are going to present someone make it clear and don't hide it behind paragraphes! Just put it out here with bullet points.

RIght now i am susspishous of CoD, the fish king, becase they type so much and it anoyes my eyes and makes me sleepy.

This is the third post and the beginning of the attempted play. I know Corbin is smart and capable. I also know Corbin is new. My problem is that this post looks like someone in wolf chat said hey play up being a new player who is lost and doesn't understand what's going on.

None of it feels real. And add on top of that the fact the play here is intentionally portraying the player as incapable when later posts prove they are more than capable and I can never buy this. Sorry.

Anyone else concerned we weren't told how many bad guys there are and what roles they are?  I'm already getting a bad vibe from that.

you part of my family?

Second post largely fits in with the thread vibe at the point it was posted. Last post of day 1 I am largely not reading Corbin as anything day 1 much like Svip

Okay, I know Corbin is a new member and all, but I'm not liking the vibe I'm getting here.  Like Neon, I feel like they're really laying on the "I'm a new player lolz" act way too thick to where it feels much more like an act than it feels in any way genuine.

Corbin, cut the act and tell me why I shouldn't hop on the train of voting you out of the game.  And then please tell me who you think the right choice to vote out would be.

Very well. To begin with i don't remember saying anything about the people who died. So why vote for me when i have not even mentioned them up till now? And i know this makes me look more suspicious that I point myself out. "well now he is pointing to avoiding talking so he wouldn't be suspicious when they die" there is no winning for me here. I say one thing then it is used against me, but if i keep silent then that is used as well. i know that is how it works, but seriously? I will not offer any more excuses other than that, i have none.

    I am suspicious of KoD, they all of a sudden posted a reply three times larger than everyone else's. Now i could brush this off but some people have made it clear that they think that the certainness of some people's words are quite suspicious, especially when we know that there was someone who could switch targets and stuff around.

    I think that Kod is the lone killer or part of that group, is it a group? Ya'll say mafia, meaning that it is a group. I say lone killer because that is what the words, in the night report thing, seem to me. They seem way too out there to be with a team but that could be a play.

This is content that directly turns a 180 on the original play. Corbin was asked to provide more and they did which is good but they did so while also proving that the double down on their original play was false. They painted themself into a corner and had to get out of it. In doing so they've been forced to drop the act but now they are grasping for any hand to pull them out of the hole they dug. I'm admittedly less sure on my read than I originally was but I still don't like the initial double down into something like this that while feeling like a new player trying to understand the game feels much more engaged and less like someone trying to make a play.

Fact is I still think scum team told Corbin to play up something and they took it a little too far for caught and had to reel it in.

I also agree that unless this is that singular one wolf + killer 3P set up that I had considered earlier that I also don't follow the idea that the Wolf Chief is unaffilated and broken from the main faction of bad guys...since for starters we would have potentially seen a third kill during the night by the other part of the faction...and I highly doubt Aren/Marz would have 3 separate killing roles/parties in such a small setup because if the kills all around plus day phase lynches were successful, I believe the game would be over very quickly.

This is very obviously a situation where either the Wolf Chief is either the only actual bad guy and the Killer is just a secondary killing role, or the Wolf Chief is just the face of the team similarly to how we've had games where the chosen wolf to carry the attack would be mentioned in the flavor.

That last part makes sense to me! No clue what 3P means can someone explain?

This feels real. This is the kind of confusion I expect from a new player. The difference here was they asked for clarification and they didn't play up their act.

A note for Corbin. I think you are playing well I think you duh yourself a little too deep and I stand by my read but I know you are new and I think your a player with a lot of potential as well. I hope you won't quit after one game much the same. I think you're a very smart person and think you're very capable and that's why I pressured you off these posts I know you're better than that and you've proven you are. I'm sorry I'm coming at you aggressively and I hope it doesn't turn you off from the game I really see some things in you that feel like when I started.

I really want you and Svip both to stick with the game and play with us more because I think you both have the potential to become pillars of the Werewolf community here and we need more players like both of you

Now I'm done being sappy back to the game lol

i don't though im not familiar with half of the media listed. I can just assure you that I am tentatively connected to the profane practice of d*ntistry at worst

why? just why?

Thread entrance largely whatever and these quotes are all out of order so...fuck multiquote lol

*squints at KoD*

You are either town that is wrong or scum that is deliberately misleading for the purposes of thread control because the way you back off over Michi's alignment feels icky. You shade Michi for the flavor solving angle even though I 1) explicitly agreed with his attempt except for the RHPS speculation and 2) actively contributed further flavor solving, yet I get townread and he gets scumread?

And then there's the whole speculation bit over why the SK targeted Numbers that spends quite a lot of wordage discussing the cookie metaphor Numbers used to express his opinion that we should consolidate wagons, which leads the reader to recall that Michi is vocally opposed to lynching, and that just trips the "this is scum aiming for an easy mislynch" detector.

Vote: KingofDominaria

I understand the thought process here Mel but this KoD is just KoD being town. Nothing here stands out as something I would not suspect of him and I don't think I could ever vote him right now. The NKs don't even really make sense for an SK or mafia lead KoD here. I guess maybe Numbers one could argue but I feel like he wasn't pressuring KoD nearly enough to warrant a kill and the vote was really just OMGUS

Really though. That I was correct about the characters for 2 of the roles should have you all suspicious of me for having TMI. Everyone townreading me is sus. Except for Michi because I want to deathtunnel him, only 100% of my early game deathtunnel targets have been town in recent games, so I'm reverse psycholgizing myself into seeing him as town.

I think I brought up TMI already with regards to you yesterday if I didn't I meant to or thought it at least. However like TMI only really makes sense in regards to your scum buds right your not going to explicitly be told every role in the game or know every detail so this reasoning feels like fishing

For me, it's too early and too chaotic for me to say anything for sure, but Dominaria has a fair point... those who lie talk on and on in an effort to justify themselves to themselves or to other people (thanks JCS).

Unfortunately this game requires snap reads and paranoid judgements it is what makes it most fun but also what drives many players away. It is psychological. With that said you certainly at least feel someone is more suspicious or less suspicious than others. I think you're a first time or at least relatively new player so I'm not coming at you from a place of suspicion but rather I want you to engage with us so we can find the bad guys and win ^^

alright, first off how did you all become pollititions all of a suddon? and profeshinal writers at the same time?  I may be stupid and new, but i think that you are all just grasping at nothing. Like where is the evidence? you just write and write! like me now! If you are going to present someone make it clear and don't hide it behind paragraphes! Just put it out here with bullet points.

RIght now i am susspishous of CoD, the fish king, becase they type so much and it anoyes my eyes and makes me sleepy.

I hate this in every single way imaginable. We've expressed our thoughts and provided reasons we are reading the game based off the info we have which is the only way we can read the game. This is bad and I hate it.

Fuck I deleted part of this

i would like to appologize, its just soo much and i don't qite understand as i am new to these things. just was not expecting soo much reading. i htougth it ousld be small points so i appologize.

For reference this is the third post. Unlike Svip who seems genuine in their confusion when speaking Corbin displays defensiveness when talking about how confused they are and hides behind a fake cover. I'm going to attack the play not the player and hope you understand that I'm not talking about you but rather your posts. Their response to me doubles down on the lost player narrative while also racing extremely defensively to my call out without addressing the narrative behind the call out whereas Svip directly responded to what I asked.

alright, first off how did you all become pollititions all of a suddon? and profeshinal writers at the same time?  I may be stupid and new, but i think that you are all just grasping at nothing. Like where is the evidence? you just write and write! like me now! If you are going to present someone make it clear and don't hide it behind paragraphes! Just put it out here with bullet points.

RIght now i am susspishous of CoD, the fish king, becase they type so much and it anoyes my eyes and makes me sleepy.

This is the third post and the beginning of the attempted play. I know Corbin is smart and capable. I also know Corbin is new. My problem is that this post looks like someone in wolf chat said hey play up being a new player who is lost and doesn't understand what's going on.

None of it feels real. And add on top of that the fact the play here is intentionally portraying the player as incapable when later posts prove they are more than capable and I can never buy this. Sorry.

Anyone else concerned we weren't told how many bad guys there are and what roles they are?  I'm already getting a bad vibe from that.

you part of my family?

Second post largely fits in with the thread vibe at the point it was posted. Last post of day 1 I am largely not reading Corbin as anything day 1 much like Svip

Okay, I know Corbin is a new member and all, but I'm not liking the vibe I'm getting here.  Like Neon, I feel like they're really laying on the "I'm a new player lolz" act way too thick to where it feels much more like an act than it feels in any way genuine.

Corbin, cut the act and tell me why I shouldn't hop on the train of voting you out of the game.  And then please tell me who you think the right choice to vote out would be.

Very well. To begin with i don't remember saying anything about the people who died. So why vote for me when i have not even mentioned them up till now? And i know this makes me look more suspicious that I point myself out. "well now he is pointing to avoiding talking so he wouldn't be suspicious when they die" there is no winning for me here. I say one thing then it is used against me, but if i keep silent then that is used as well. i know that is how it works, but seriously? I will not offer any more excuses other than that, i have none.

    I am suspicious of KoD, they all of a sudden posted a reply three times larger than everyone else's. Now i could brush this off but some people have made it clear that they think that the certainness of some people's words are quite suspicious, especially when we know that there was someone who could switch targets and stuff around.

    I think that Kod is the lone killer or part of that group, is it a group? Ya'll say mafia, meaning that it is a group. I say lone killer because that is what the words, in the night report thing, seem to me. They seem way too out there to be with a team but that could be a play.

This is content that directly turns a 180 on the original play. Corbin was asked to provide more and they did which is good but they did so while also proving that the double down on their original play was false. They painted themself into a corner and had to get out of it. In doing so they've been forced to drop the act but now they are grasping for any hand to pull them out of the hole they dug. I'm admittedly less sure on my read than I originally was but I still don't like the initial double down into something like this that while feeling like a new player trying to understand the game feels much more engaged and less like someone trying to make a play.

Fact is I still think scum team told Corbin to play up something and they took it a little too far for caught and had to reel it in.

I also agree that unless this is that singular one wolf + killer 3P set up that I had considered earlier that I also don't follow the idea that the Wolf Chief is unaffilated and broken from the main faction of bad guys...since for starters we would have potentially seen a third kill during the night by the other part of the faction...and I highly doubt Aren/Marz would have 3 separate killing roles/parties in such a small setup because if the kills all around plus day phase lynches were successful, I believe the game would be over very quickly.

This is very obviously a situation where either the Wolf Chief is either the only actual bad guy and the Killer is just a secondary killing role, or the Wolf Chief is just the face of the team similarly to how we've had games where the chosen wolf to carry the attack would be mentioned in the flavor.

That last part makes sense to me! No clue what 3P means can someone explain?

This feels real. This is the kind of confusion I expect from a new player. The difference here was they asked for clarification and they didn't play up their act.

A note for Corbin. I think you are playing well I think you duh yourself a little too deep and I stand by my read but I know you are new and I think your a player with a lot of potential as well. I hope you won't quit after one game much the same. I think you're a very smart person and think you're very capable and that's why I pressured you off these posts I know you're better than that and you've proven you are. I'm sorry I'm coming at you aggressively and I hope it doesn't turn you off from the game I really see some things in you that feel like when I started.

I really want you and Svip both to stick with the game and play with us more because I think you both have the potential to become pillars of the Werewolf community here and we need more players like both of you

Now I'm done being sappy back to the game lol

The 180 is probably becse i thought it would be a chill game, so i was only half thinking while trying to have fun. I am full focus now, though this is less fun for me.

I mean 90% of my game content is memes. You can meme and have fun but trust me when I say this,  you will get killed doing that. I was a day 1 policy lynch for several games because I played like that so you need to reconcile how you want to play with the reality that you need to contribute to not die.

However you can find a middle ground I play memey fun times while also pushing what I see when I see it 

Alright, let's get down to it.

First up, Corbin since it is necessary to address the flow of (il)logic coming from there.

The immediate post, wherein you took time to do correct spelling, reeks of damage control because of how you immediately generated two negative perspectives on you. Your entire post culminates in, "I'm not doing this," when you are, in fact, doing this. That is, you take time to say *why* you don't need to defend yourself despite the excruciating fact that you **are** defending yourself in that very post. For example, 

"I need not defend myself, i was just pointing something out as well. If just felt to me that they were hiding behind words. I don't know any of you too well, but if you really are concerned with me feeling fake, then perhaps i shall take my mask off for the rest of the game."

A snipet of your post wherein you speak about not needing to defend yourself, but in the same segment you address a *concern* noted by those negatively viewing you and proceed to **address** said concern while, at the same time, ***validating*** said concern about feeling fake. That is, you are going to remove your mask to play as your typical self which, thusly, means you were being fake to us at present.


For as much as you claim that it feels that I, of all people, am hiding behind words, you're the one using a lot of words to say you're not doing one thing when, in fact, you actually are doing that very thing (ie. being fake). And I'm the one you're susing words? If anything, you're literally projecting onto me an issue that you are having. It's blatantly obtuse on your part (though I get the feeling this is intentional as opposed to unintentional as your progression, despite the responses, reads as doubling down on what you're trying to vaguely paint. In absolutely not a cohesive manner no less).

If you're having a hard time following, I'm saying that your insistence that I am suspicious for, quote unquote, "hiding behind words" is absolutely broad and, in no way, actually addresses the content being put forth. It's literally like you're just playing off of me so you have something to say when, otherwise, you are sorely lacking in generating content. And that's strictly evident as all your posts, so it seems, deal with me as a prevailing topic. I mean, I don't blame you, I draw the attention, but it's glaring that you're making no effort outside of your limp attempts at susing me to actually progress anything else in any way, shape, or form.

It's grotesque.






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Now, because it was said to slight me, 

Mele

KoD's playstyle is to bury everyone with wordage regardless of alignment, so to solve him, you need to analyze his content.

You watched Champs. That is, patently, ****NOT**** my playstyle. My "playstyle" is to get in here and play the game. I just happen to have a lot to say on various subjects least I end up like the lot of you that choose to sloth it through stuff. A ***side effect***, perhaps, of my style may be burying people, but that's only for those people who can't bring themselves to actually, you know, play the game. That's hardly my fault. When it comes to Champs, you get in and you play. Anything less is a mistake. Sure, I may get some love for what I do, and, often times, I may get hate, but you know what I don't get if I do what most of you do? Nothing. No victory. No glory. Absolutely nothing, and that is unacceptable.

That being said, let's be specific with Corbin here.

Your desire to hard shield him because he's new is eh. I'd say it reeks of coaching, but that'd be more prevalent in scum chat than it would be openly, unless you were trying to power wolf. And, after last game, it seems you do have that type of bone in your body, Mele, but I doubt it's developed enough to be full-fledged power wolf. Regardless, the issue with Corbin is one of logical flow and his responses. His communication isn't nonstandard -- he's obviously demonstrated he can easily talk without issue. No, the issue with him is what I laid about above. And such an issue is usually born from an inconsistency that is born of having to be in the role of scum having to fake their interactions in order to try and appear genuine.

That's the obvious issue with Corbin and how he's approaching things/progressing himself.

Also, what is wrong with you, Mele? You have no clue whether or not Aers was successful in adjusting the targets of the NKs. Furthermore, given that lack of knowledge, why would you not assume the more likely scenario that the targets were as is since, you know, the chances of the Killer's kill being redirected by Aers is lower than the chance of the Killer choosing a target Aers did not target. That is, it's more likely, strictly speaking, that there is no overlap in the targets. Your perspective on this is one of trying to keep things open, even individual analysis, rather than trying to, you know, solve. That's counterintuitive since you're not analyzing and putting out your own content to help solve (that, as opposed to just shooting down ideas you disagree with and offering up your own).

Mele

I don't like the assumption that any of the kills N1 we're 100% deliberate.

And ***I*** don't like that you're just being disagreeable with no analysis of your own. Especially when you look at the chosen targets and consider several facets:

- The chances of one person overlapping with Aers' targets.
- The chances of both people (Killer and Mafia) targeting Aers' targets.
- The chance that the NK target voting NoName (Aers in this case) was killed despite how votes fell (Aers voted NoName with me).

Those facets paint a situation that, statistically, is more likely to be the case that no interference happened with the targeting and that the targeting was strictly deliberate in both cases (the mafia's target most of all, and the Killer's because obv the killer targeted and killed NoName off the basis that it is statistically more likely the targeting was unaffected as opposed to the alternative).

So, yeah, you're doing nothing other than disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing with nothing else to offer in place other than pointing fingers at us for our analysis (of which you are sorely lacking in doing mind you).


Mele

Coupled with how KoD seems to be invested in portraying the wolves as quiet and/or inexperienced, and I can easily see a wolf-lead narrative being built up in this here thread.

 Yeah, you're literally misrepresenting part of my playstyle which maintains a certain philosophy: More often than not mafia are quiet (I never said anything about inexperienced, unless you are referring to my analysis in which case you're sorely misrepping that as well as you're missing out about how, based on the way the NKs fell, you don't have a strict scum team of inexperienced players, yet also have to contend with the fact that someone, like NoName, was killed as opposed to literal low posters like the ones I named previous: Svi, Corbin (at the time), and whoever else hasn't participated).



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@ Gerrick:

Did you even read my post? I wouldn't fault you if you didn't since that's the general trend of Spec Chat.

I thoroughly explained why Corbin comes off as being scummy. Svi hasn't taken a stance that comes off as weird yet that I can look into (prior to today's postings, she simply said she would be around more). Meanwhile, Corbin came out the gate with a PoV that was head tilt worthy given how he progressed it. Like, I'm scummy because I'm hiding behind words? My words literally communicate my stances in no small way. Yet I'm "hiding" while there are others not even posting beyond an initial post.

If you can't see the logical flow of my reasoning for viewing Corbin as scummy off of that, then I'm sorry you're not able to interpret my words properly. As far as I am concerned, I've made it glaringly obvious how I came to my conclusions, and they are not hard to follow in the least. So the question gets raised: Are you, like Mele, trying to shield Corbin, but in not as direct a way? And if so, why? Because you're curious why I'm not calling Svi scum even though it should be obvious why I'm not?


Gerrick

Honestly, think I'd prefer Neon, but I'm totally cool with KoD at this moment.

 So, Neon, remember how you wouldn't find me as town in our Champs game? I want you to look upon this quote from Gerrick. Does it remind you of anyone? It reminds me of Dk.

Because, right now, you've got the same general vibe coming from both Mele and Gerrick wrt to you and I. That is, based on what they're saying (Mele was more direct), they are seeing a scum team of you and I. And for lackluster reasons no less (definitely not the same quality of scum like what we faced if they are scum -- they certainly trend scummy to me from these interactions).



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Corbin

 I am suspicious of KoD, they all of a sudden posted a reply three times larger than everyone else's. Now i could brush this off but some people have made it clear that they think that the certainness of some people's words are quite suspicious, especially when we know that there was someone who could switch targets and stuff around. 

    I think that Kod is the lone killer or part of that group, is it a group? Ya'll say mafia, meaning that it is a group. I say lone killer because that is what the words, in the night report thing, seem to me. They seem way too out there to be with a team but that could be a play.

Well, at least there is a little bit of analysis here even if it is still wtf worthy. But hey, I've seen worse. So the length of my posts makes me scummy. If you actually did a statistical regression model on my post lengths and proved that the longer my posts, the more likely I am to be scum, then I'd say you have a valid point; however, you'd be remiss to find out that you're absolutely wrong in your approach. But, as you've said, you haven't played with us so you wouldn't know any better. Unless you're lying.

Either way, there is such a thing as being too obtuse. Eh.

lol when people quote a wall just to add one word replies.

Yikes.

Also, shoutout to independent thought mind melding when it comes to Neon and I having similar reads of some people.

Vote: Corbin

Neon, do you know how freeing Champs is to me?

It's invigorating. It sets my soul free.

It's that energy that I strive for. The raw feeling that comes with unabashed mafia gameplay at its purest.

Alright, let's get down to it.

First up, Corbin since it is necessary to address the flow of (il)logic coming from there.

The immediate post, wherein you took time to do correct spelling, reeks of damage control because of how you immediately generated two negative perspectives on you. Your entire post culminates in, "I'm not doing this," when you are, in fact, doing this. That is, you take time to say *why* you don't need to defend yourself despite the excruciating fact that you **are** defending yourself in that very post. For example,

"I need not defend myself, i was just pointing something out as well. If just felt to me that they were hiding behind words. I don't know any of you too well, but if you really are concerned with me feeling fake, then perhaps i shall take my mask off for the rest of the game."

A snipet of your post wherein you speak about not needing to defend yourself, but in the same segment you address a *concern* noted by those negatively viewing you and proceed to **address** said concern while, at the same time, ***validating*** said concern about feeling fake. That is, you are going to remove your mask to play as your typical self which, thusly, means you were being fake to us at present.


For as much as you claim that it feels that I, of all people, am hiding behind words, you're the one using a lot of words to say you're not doing one thing when, in fact, you actually are doing that very thing (ie. being fake). And I'm the one you're susing words? If anything, you're literally projecting onto me an issue that you are having. It's blatantly obtuse on your part (though I get the feeling this is intentional as opposed to unintentional as your progression, despite the responses, reads as doubling down on what you're trying to vaguely paint. In absolutely not a cohesive manner no less).

If you're having a hard time following, I'm saying that your insistence that I am suspicious for, quote unquote, "hiding behind words" is absolutely broad and, in no way, actually addresses the content being put forth. It's literally like you're just playing off of me so you have something to say when, otherwise, you are sorely lacking in generating content. And that's strictly evident as all your posts, so it seems, deal with me as a prevailing topic. I mean, I don't blame you, I draw the attention, but it's glaring that you're making no effort outside of your limp attempts at susing me to actually progress anything else in any way, shape, or form.

It's grotesque.






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Now, because it was said to slight me,

Mele

KoD's playstyle is to bury everyone with wordage regardless of alignment, so to solve him, you need to analyze his content.

You watched Champs. That is, patently, ****NOT**** my playstyle. My "playstyle" is to get in here and play the game. I just happen to have a lot to say on various subjects least I end up like the lot of you that choose to sloth it through stuff. A ***side effect***, perhaps, of my style may be burying people, but that's only for those people who can't bring themselves to actually, you know, play the game. That's hardly my fault. When it comes to Champs, you get in and you play. Anything less is a mistake. Sure, I may get some love for what I do, and, often times, I may get hate, but you know what I don't get if I do what most of you do? Nothing. No victory. No glory. Absolutely nothing, and that is unacceptable.

That being said, let's be specific with Corbin here.

Your desire to hard shield him because he's new is eh. I'd say it reeks of coaching, but that'd be more prevalent in scum chat than it would be openly, unless you were trying to power wolf. And, after last game, it seems you do have that type of bone in your body, Mele, but I doubt it's developed enough to be full-fledged power wolf. Regardless, the issue with Corbin is one of logical flow and his responses. His communication isn't nonstandard -- he's obviously demonstrated he can easily talk without issue. No, the issue with him is what I laid about above. And such an issue is usually born from an inconsistency that is born of having to be in the role of scum having to fake their interactions in order to try and appear genuine.

That's the obvious issue with Corbin and how he's approaching things/progressing himself.

Also, what is wrong with you, Mele? You have no clue whether or not Aers was successful in adjusting the targets of the NKs. Furthermore, given that lack of knowledge, why would you not assume the more likely scenario that the targets were as is since, you know, the chances of the Killer's kill being redirected by Aers is lower than the chance of the Killer choosing a target Aers did not target. That is, it's more likely, strictly speaking, that there is no overlap in the targets. Your perspective on this is one of trying to keep things open, even individual analysis, rather than trying to, you know, solve. That's counterintuitive since you're not analyzing and putting out your own content to help solve (that, as opposed to just shooting down ideas you disagree with and offering up your own).

Mele

I don't like the assumption that any of the kills N1 we're 100% deliberate.

And ***I*** don't like that you're just being disagreeable with no analysis of your own. Especially when you look at the chosen targets and consider several facets:

- The chances of one person overlapping with Aers' targets.
- The chances of both people (Killer and Mafia) targeting Aers' targets.
- The chance that the NK target voting NoName (Aers in this case) was killed despite how votes fell (Aers voted NoName with me).

Those facets paint a situation that, statistically, is more likely to be the case that no interference happened with the targeting and that the targeting was strictly deliberate in both cases (the mafia's target most of all, and the Killer's because obv the killer targeted and killed NoName off the basis that it is statistically more likely the targeting was unaffected as opposed to the alternative).

So, yeah, you're doing nothing other than disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing with nothing else to offer in place other than pointing fingers at us for our analysis (of which you are sorely lacking in doing mind you).


Mele

Coupled with how KoD seems to be invested in portraying the wolves as quiet and/or inexperienced, and I can easily see a wolf-lead narrative being built up in this here thread.

 Yeah, you're literally misrepresenting part of my playstyle which maintains a certain philosophy: More often than not mafia are quiet (I never said anything about inexperienced, unless you are referring to my analysis in which case you're sorely misrepping that as well as you're missing out about how, based on the way the NKs fell, you don't have a strict scum team of inexperienced players, yet also have to contend with the fact that someone, like NoName, was killed as opposed to literal low posters like the ones I named previous: Svi, Corbin (at the time), and whoever else hasn't participated).



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@ Gerrick:

Did you even read my post? I wouldn't fault you if you didn't since that's the general trend of Spec Chat.

I thoroughly explained why Corbin comes off as being scummy. Svi hasn't taken a stance that comes off as weird yet that I can look into (prior to today's postings, she simply said she would be around more). Meanwhile, Corbin came out the gate with a PoV that was head tilt worthy given how he progressed it. Like, I'm scummy because I'm hiding behind words? My words literally communicate my stances in no small way. Yet I'm "hiding" while there are others not even posting beyond an initial post.

If you can't see the logical flow of my reasoning for viewing Corbin as scummy off of that, then I'm sorry you're not able to interpret my words properly. As far as I am concerned, I've made it glaringly obvious how I came to my conclusions, and they are not hard to follow in the least. So the question gets raised: Are you, like Mele, trying to shield Corbin, but in not as direct a way? And if so, why? Because you're curious why I'm not calling Svi scum even though it should be obvious why I'm not?


Gerrick

Honestly, think I'd prefer Neon, but I'm totally cool with KoD at this moment.

 So, Neon, remember how you wouldn't find me as town in our Champs game? I want you to look upon this quote from Gerrick. Does it remind you of anyone? It reminds me of Dk.

Because, right now, you've got the same general vibe coming from both Mele and Gerrick wrt to you and I. That is, based on what they're saying (Mele was more direct), they are seeing a scum team of you and I. And for lackluster reasons no less (definitely not the same quality of scum like what we faced if they are scum -- they certainly trend scummy to me from these interactions).



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Corbin

I am suspicious of KoD, they all of a sudden posted a reply three times larger than everyone else's. Now i could brush this off but some people have made it clear that they think that the certainness of some people's words are quite suspicious, especially when we know that there was someone who could switch targets and stuff around.

    I think that Kod is the lone killer or part of that group, is it a group? Ya'll say mafia, meaning that it is a group. I say lone killer because that is what the words, in the night report thing, seem to me. They seem way too out there to be with a team but that could be a play.

Well, at least there is a little bit of analysis here even if it is still wtf worthy. But hey, I've seen worse. So the length of my posts makes me scummy. If you actually did a statistical regression model on my post lengths and proved that the longer my posts, the more likely I am to be scum, then I'd say you have a valid point; however, you'd be remiss to find out that you're absolutely wrong in your approach. But, as you've said, you haven't played with us so you wouldn't know any better. Unless you're lying.

Either way, there is such a thing as being too obtuse. Eh.

Define statistical regression please? 

That's really not something you should be focusing on.

Well, I will say that those arguments are well put (although KoD, I find it strange you had Svip on "scum" in your reads list just yesterday but now are saying you have zero reason why you'd think they're scummy), and Corbin's change in writing style makes me feel worse about his alignment, but I'm gonna stick to where I am now. I haven't been swayed enough to change my vote from KoD/Neon. And with respect to Corbin: at the very least, I want newbies to not die so quickly - it's just not fun.

@Michi
@Svipjoth
@Dolby
@Imaginative Kane
@Joslisonoria
@Corbin

There's only about 12 hours or so left in the day, so make sure you vote. We have two wagons right now (KingofDominaria and Corbin), so it'd be the best idea to choose one of them, but at least put your vote somewhere.