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Werewolf XXV: When Worlds Collide
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Game Over on Round 7 Day
Root Host: Ruguo Other Hosts: Michi

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ExLight
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  • lmfao if you were game ending jester I'll be legit pissed
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    Vroendal
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    • "All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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    Vroendal
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  • I'm cursed. Pretend that it registered. :p
    When I voted I got a weird screen, the vote didn't register, and my post isn't showing up as most recent on the forum board despite being the most recent.
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    ☆ Princess Abigail ☆
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  • I mean dying to jester would be fun

    But unless I'm being lied to Vro has attempted a NK the last two nights
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    I want you to fall hardest of all saying my name or nothing at all.
    "Neon is genuinely exhausting to read"
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  • Vote: Vroendal

    Theoretically I have your voting back? 
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  • We have majority right?
    ❤️ Caitlin ❤️
    I want you to fall hardest of all saying my name or nothing at all.
    "Neon is genuinely exhausting to read"
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  • That should be majority assuming no shenanigans. 
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    Ruguo
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  • There is majority, the job just didn't allow me to do anything about it until now.

    The final tournament on the Kaiba Corp Airship had begun, and the matches had been decided.  Joey Wheeler against Princess Daisy, the Stranger from Until Dawn versus the Gassy Core, King Arthur against the L Block from Tetris, Neon Abigail against the entire trove of her anime GIF references, Gandalf versus Dumbledore, and Crushita making a cameo appearance to take on a horde of Tomatoist supporters.  Overall, the matchups were already proving to be exciting, to say the least.

    The first match was Gandalf versus Dumbledore, as both elderly wizards readied their magic before they were quickly stopped and informed that this was a tournament involving children’s cards.  Dumbledore took his deck and summoned the Chosen One, as a confused Harry Potter materialized on the field.  Gandalf, as a counter, also summoned the Chosen One, as a confused Frodo Baggins appeared on the field.  Dumbledore in turn summoned The Chosen Companion, as Ron Weasley, also confused, appeared on the field.  Also countering, Gandalf used the same card, summoning Samwise Gamgee on the field.  Angry, Dumbledore summoned The Mischievous Duo, as the smug looking Weasley Twins of Fred and George appeared on the field.  Gandalf, naturally, used the exact same card, summoning Merry and Pippin to the field.  Dumbledore, however, sabotaged himself accidentally by summoning The Chosen One’s Lover, as it summoned both Ginny Weasley and Cho Chang to the field as they immediately got into a cat-fight at the expense of Dumbledore’s life points.

    Next was Neon Abigail who realized all of her references were her opponents, leaving her nothing to summon.  This didn’t stop her from getting into her competitive side, tossing down countless Kuriboh cards and somehow managing to trip up her army of opponents.  They ended up forfeiting the match to Neon Abigail due to being immensely confused at what was even happening as their own summoned cards continually decided to sit down and have tea and ice cream with the Kuribohs rather than fight each other.

    The last match was even quicker work than the previous one, as Crushita made their way up to the dueling arena, accused the Tomatoists of being heretics, and summoned Burning Steak cards as well as guard cards to grab the heretics and have them executed for their crimes.  The Tomatoists, unsure of how to handle what was happening, ended up being taken by the somehow tangible guards summoned from cards as they were executed for their crimes and their lifepoints, and actual lives, went down to 0.

    The players were now getting desperate to get out of this situation.  While they were glad the references had not been as top heavy as they were thinking, it was still a situation that they weren’t happy with.  Dead player Laurentus was especially pushing for a scene change, knowing full well that they’d finally be taking a short respite away from Michi’s odd games and moving towards his hosting debut game set in the fictional Monty Python’s Holy Grail universe.  And truly, when the scene began to shift, that was definitely, maybe, possibly where they could be heading next.

    Vroendal has been killed. He was Batman. Or was he Scarecrow? The only thing certain is that he wasn't entirely scum, though he sure wan't helpful to the majority of town either.

    Final votes:
    Vroendal: 9 (TGN, Anubhav Ghosh, Dolby, Neon Abigail, Aersoldorf, Gerrick, NoName, Vroendal, ExLight)

    No Vote (Never Voted): Eastern New England, Red Mones, cozmikrae, Wintermoot, Moondrop



    This human is still working tomorrow, so uh... submit your night actions and I will start D5 sometime around this time tomorrow. Sound good? If you have problems with this timeline, just let me know.
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    Wintermoot
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    I went all the way to Cassadega to commune with the dead
    They said "You'd better look alive"
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    Eastern New England
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  • Sorry that I haven't been here the past couple of days, I kind of lost my WIM.



    The rabble, they fear me because they do not understand me.

    Oh Ruby Red, oh Lapis blue, how I wish I had found you.
    Now this is an interesting quote, since I managed to check a Ruby Red on night 3.

    Could this be hinting something? Maybe scum needs to rid themselves of Ruby Red to win or maybe Ruby Red was part of Vroendal's win condition? I notice how the "Red" here is capitalized as opposed to "blue". It doesn't seem like a coincidence.

    Vroendal as Scarecrow
    Vroendal has been killed. He was Batman. Or was he Scarecrow? The only thing certain is that he wasn't entirely scum, though he sure wan't helpful to the majority of town either.

    Fine I'll lay down the knowledge
    Vroendal is scum. Scum that can win with town using my neighborhood but I don't really care about that I don't trust Vro period.
    Getting Vro in my neighborhood gave me a lot of information and other things I can't say safely.
    I'm almost certainly the number one target for the wolves.
    Vro is playing both sides but they did refuse to reveal their wolfy friends to me.


    There you have your options
    1. Kill Vro today vote no on the reset leave Lau dead and hurt my feelings and my chances of doing what I need
    2. No Lynch Bring back Lau and Lynch Vro tomorrow and give me a chance to do what I need to do
    It seems like my role ability is actually relevant and flavor does matter here.

    I can literally use my role to clear myself as town at one point so that would just be a waste of time lol
    I'm waiting.
    "Slow and steady wins the race." - Aesop
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  • Progressions
    Let's try a reads list. This never ends up going well.

    Town

    TGN

    Cozmikrae

    Laurentus

    Moondrop
    Neon Abigail
    Aersoldorf
    KingofDominaria

    Red Mones
    Wintermoot

    NoName
    Dolby
    Anubhav Ghosh
    ExLight

    Vroendal

    Captan Lunch

    Gerrick

    Wolf
    Quoted the above post to show my progressions.

    Town


    Laurentus

    Cozmikrae
    Moondrop

    Vroendal
    Neon Abigail
    Anubhav Ghosh
    Aersoldorf
    Dolby

    Red Mones
    Wintermoot
    Gerrick

    NoName
    ExLight
    KingofDominaria

    TGN

    Wolf
    Town

    Neon Abigail

    Dolby
    Cozmikrae
    Moondrop

    Aersoldorf
    Anubhav Ghosh


    Wintermoot
    Red Mones


    NoName
    Gerrick

    ExLight

    Wolf
    "Slow and steady wins the race." - Aesop
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  • To expand, I think that flavor matters in this game for a plethora of reasons:

    - Firstly, multiple native Wintreans have said that flavor is and has been used in multiple games. As far as I remember, Neon Abigail was the one who said that specifically in games hosted by Ruguo flavor has significance. Laurentus also pointed out the importance in flavor before he flipped. These are two essentially confirmed townies with experience on this forum saying that flavor does matter.

    - Secondly, no Seer has flipped yet nor has a Seer outed themselves to share information. If there was another Seer, I'd find it highly likely that they would have outed with their info by this point. Therefore, I'm probably the only Seer here and I'd find it weird if the hosts would give town a Seer who doesn't get any useful info. I do think I can trust my checks.

    At this point I have not found any reason to distrust my ability or my checks. Yes, role abilities may vary from past games; yes, my result isn't guaranteed to be correct. But it's more useful than social or meta reads, or just straight up guessing. The alignment of a previous role generally won't do a 180 and completely change just because it's used in this game. Take my role for example - I located it in a previous game on this forum and it's the same alignment. Sure, the actual role ability has been tweaked, but town is town. Vro's role as well (in this case two roles) - while Scarecrow was a "scum" role and Batman was a "good" role, the alignments that game were reversed. It makes sense that Scarecrow was marked in green as town and Batman marked in red as scum.

    Frankly, I think saying "flavor doesn't matter" as a defense and pushing that narrative is scummy when - obviously - flavor does matter in this game. Do you need to use flavor to solve the game? No. Do you need to throw any social reads out the window this game? No. But you should still acknowledge that roles that rely on flavor such as my own probably are more right than wrong, especially in a game like this where flavor from 20+ games are mixed.
    "Slow and steady wins the race." - Aesop
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  • I wouldn't get too ahead of yourself. Flavor matters, sure. That doesn't mean flavor is consistently absolute. I say this from a design standpoint and not a player standpoint. When making a game you don't want it to be breakable by a day 1 mass rolename claim. Vro's role was consistent, sure, but he also had built in protection from your role and a name claim. That isn't going to follow suit for everybody else because they aren't going to have Vro's dual identity functionality. So there very likely are players in this game who don't conform, probably of both alignments. And knowing that they don't conform they are going to down play witch hunting based solely on roles previous alignments. This isn't scummy. Will scum use it as a shield? Absolutely. But the town players that would point it out would do so as a part of their duty to make sure town doesn't just go down a rabbit hole that could lead to their slaughter. The argument will never be anything more than NAI without that consistency confirmation. 

    As for your argument about your information having to be alignment indicative because lack of other claimed information sources, here's something fun to mull over. Vro didn't talk in the neighborhood until after we pieced enough information together to know that he was Batman and that he tried to kill me the night before. 

    There are multiple information sources in this game and they all need to come together to ascertain the full picture. Each seems weak alone because each is just a piece of the puzzle. The great thing about this for town is that even if a piece is lost, we can still put together a fairly coherent picture. 
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