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what are we exactly accomplishing here if we do trigger the safe mode restore though?

Lau is likely going to get killed again, Hapi adds more people to their neighborhood and increases exponentially the odds of scum infiltrating it, and ENE gets another flavor cop shot which is really not useful lol

Okay here me out. Scum being in my neighborhood is a good thing for town so yanno you actually want that.

B. Lau will bring news from the dead a benefit to us

C. If they just kill him again that still kind of benefits us, I doubt they will though. They have knowledge.

Not saying that I agree with Ex, but your response brings up more questions.

A - how is scum in your neighborhood beneficial?
B - I really don’t think that the hosts would release anything substantial in the dead chat since they knew there’s a possibility of someone being revived, so the only information he’s likely seen in that chat is what Captan and KoD said.
C - what kind of knowledge do you think that the scum team has that would prevent them from killing him again, especially knowing that he’s going to lose his defensive power?

what are we exactly accomplishing here if we do trigger the safe mode restore though?

Lau is likely going to get killed again, Hapi adds more people to their neighborhood and increases exponentially the odds of scum infiltrating it, and ENE gets another flavor cop shot which is really not useful lol

Okay here me out. Scum being in my neighborhood is a good thing for town so yanno you actually want that.

B. Lau will bring news from the dead a benefit to us

C. If they just kill him again that still kind of benefits us, I doubt they will though. They have knowledge.

It's actually not. The benefit of a network/neighborhood is that it provides town a covered place to freely discuss things. Adding a wolf there takes out that benefit. There is no benefit from adding a hidden wolf to the neighborhood.

B is also an assumption predicated on the dead being able to talk amongst themselves. This isn't always the case in games that feature revivals.

C's only benefit is that they expend a resource rekilling Lau. That's not worth expending a resource of our own to do it.

Pretty much ninja’d my thoughts exactly:D

what are we exactly accomplishing here if we do trigger the safe mode restore though?

Lau is likely going to get killed again, Hapi adds more people to their neighborhood and increases exponentially the odds of scum infiltrating it, and ENE gets another flavor cop shot which is really not useful lol

Okay here me out. Scum being in my neighborhood is a good thing for town so yanno you actually want that.

B. Lau will bring news from the dead a benefit to us

C. If they just kill him again that still kind of benefits us, I doubt they will though. They have knowledge.

I'm not sure how scum in the neighborhood is beneficial??

Lau coming from the dead doesn't mean much since they have pretty much information as we do, and that would be valid for literally any person, lol. The only thing that we might benefit from this is learning the specifics of roles of town players that died, but if that's the plan is it not better to revive it later on when we have more players to get info from and potentially get scum redhanded if they fakeclaim? Right now we'd learn only KoD's role, if we rezzed someone when we had, like, 5 or 6 town players dead then it would be a LOT more information to be gathered from them.

On a second thought I don't think they'd even bother to kill him, lol. I had originally missed this but he's likely going to resurrect as vanilla right? Since the corrupted state gets rid of a random ability and Lau only really claimed to be a defender. He'd act like a towncleared person and that's it. While this does throw a wrench at my idea of rezzing the vote based role I was thinking off (assuming they only have that ability), I'd still rather attempt to use it in someone with a multi use role like a JOAT at the very least.

We have no guarentee that day kills are going to happen more than this time and a day kill on a town is really the only situation where I'd be happy to use safe mode tbh, so like, why not use it now

Also Neon, idk the specifics of your role but if you're worried about compromising your neighborhood just don't recruit

also the primary motivation for bringing back Lau is the guarenteed extra number tbh, and I'm fine with that and no yeeting bc it essentially means that even if scum get their kill going through we get an extra night of night action data for the cost of 2 pr roles (Lau becoming probably a VT and the person who dies no night) with no cost in numbers. With 15 players alive and probably 11 town I'd honestly take that everytime

We have no guarentee that day kills are going to happen more than this time and a day kill on a town is really the only situation where I'd be happy to use safe mode tbh, so like, why not use it now

Also Neon, idk the specifics of your role but if you're worried about compromising your neighborhood just don't recruit

As I mentioned before if that was a mafia role, and it's a recurring one, then it would be stupidly busted.

And it doesn't have to be activated on the Day, right? We can use it at night to deny a mafia kill if they even have one.

bringing someone back for extra numbers right now is probably the most least effective moment to do it for reasons I already mentioned before

the only benefit in it is that he's a fairly experienced played and his reads could be useful, but I'd still prefer to bring back someone that might be able to use most of their role afterwards or at a more necessary moment like a bit before -Lo so we manage to get up to two extra phases with a stupid good PoE

We have no guarentee that day kills are going to happen more than this time and a day kill on a town is really the only situation where I'd be happy to use safe mode tbh, so like, why not use it now

Also Neon, idk the specifics of your role but if you're worried about compromising your neighborhood just don't recruit

As I mentioned before if that was a mafia role, and it's a recurring one, then it would be stupidly busted.

And it doesn't have to be activated on the Day, right? We can use it at night to deny a mafia kill if they even have one.

problems with night activation

something something quiet mode/mute mode and Abigail is not immune

not sure if the mafia night kill is mandatory on this site tbh, and they'd know if the activation worked or not

what are we exactly accomplishing here if we do trigger the safe mode restore though?

Lau is likely going to get killed again, Hapi adds more people to their neighborhood and increases exponentially the odds of scum infiltrating it, and ENE gets another flavor cop shot which is really not useful lol

Okay here me out. Scum being in my neighborhood is a good thing for town so yanno you actually want that.

B. Lau will bring news from the dead a benefit to us

C. If they just kill him again that still kind of benefits us, I doubt they will though. They have knowledge.

It's actually not. The benefit of a network/neighborhood is that it provides town a covered place to freely discuss things. Adding a wolf there takes out that benefit. There is no benefit from adding a hidden wolf to the neighborhood.

B is also an assumption predicated on the dead being able to talk amongst themselves. This isn't always the case in games that feature revivals.

C's only benefit is that they expend a resource rekilling Lau. That's not worth expending a resource of our own to do it.

Please listen to me I'm the one who is running the neighborhood and trust me I'm well aware of how it works. There is no way for me to say what I mean without making obvious wolf targets that hurt my chances of doing what I need to do to win the game for town. I'm not lying.
I was not lying when I said I suck at this game. Or that I just like to roleplay and cause chaos. But this is the ONLY time that I have ever known what I'm doing in a game of Werewolf and I just need you to trust me.

The point of this neighborhood is NOT what you think it is. 

1. No Lynch

2. Vote for Safe Mode

3. Lau is back and he will STILL be town

4. Me and Lau give you a guaranteed scum kill tomorrow

Ok... I trust you (I think) but I have questions. So... assuming we do this, and Lau comes back, is there any guarantee either of you won't be killed immediately? Why the bargain? Why not tell us who the scum is so we know before either you or Lau gets taken out? Also you said something about a basement? Is that literal, like you have a wolf in your basement? Also if your plan doesn't work and we fail to all vote in time, which seems likely, shouldn't you still tell us who it is? So we're on good footing tomorrow to make a good decision.

You are all so afraid of game mechanics BUT let me ask you why would a mechanic requiring a majority vote be in a game UNLESS it is a beneficial mechanism for town? Otherwise it would never be voted upon and the game creator wasted quite a bit of time designing something useless right?

This makes sense... I believe this.

Yes. But if you want to play Russian roulette I can kill a bad guy today and throw them into the pool.

You can personally kill them? Or we all can vote them out?

what are we exactly accomplishing here if we do trigger the safe mode restore though?

Lau is likely going to get killed again, Hapi adds more people to their neighborhood and increases exponentially the odds of scum infiltrating it, and ENE gets another flavor cop shot which is really not useful lol

Okay here me out. Scum being in my neighborhood is a good thing for town so yanno you actually want that.

B. Lau will bring news from the dead a benefit to us

C. If they just kill him again that still kind of benefits us, I doubt they will though. They have knowledge.

Not saying that I agree with Ex, but your response brings up more questions.

A - how is scum in your neighborhood beneficial?
B - I really don’t think that the hosts would release anything substantial in the dead chat since they knew there’s a possibility of someone being revived, so the only information he’s likely seen in that chat is what Captan and KoD said.
C - what kind of knowledge do you think that the scum team has that would prevent them from killing him again, especially knowing that he’s going to lose his defensive power?

A. If I say we lose

B. I get the feeling Lau knows more than you think. Just call it a spider sense

C. Well they certainly have other targets. Me. Moondrop. But at this point the only info we have to go on is mine and I'm doing this for a reason. And maybe my neighbors are going to go over my head because they know who the wolf is that I know but if they do that we are ruining a very valuable opportunity and I really just want trust because you know I'm town

1. No Lynch

2. Vote for Safe Mode

3. Lau is back and he will STILL be town

4. Me and Lau give you a guaranteed scum kill tomorrow

Ok... I trust you (I think) but I have questions. So... assuming we do this, and Lau comes back, is there any guarantee either of you won't be killed immediately? Why the bargain? Why not tell us who the scum is so we know before either you or Lau gets taken out? Also you said something about a basement? Is that literal, like you have a wolf in your basement? Also if your plan doesn't work and we fail to all vote in time, which seems likely, shouldn't you still tell us who it is? So we're on good footing tomorrow to make a good decision.

You are all so afraid of game mechanics BUT let me ask you why would a mechanic requiring a majority vote be in a game UNLESS it is a beneficial mechanism for town? Otherwise it would never be voted upon and the game creator wasted quite a bit of time designing something useless right?

This makes sense... I believe this.

Yes. But if you want to play Russian roulette I can kill a bad guy today and throw them into the pool.

You can personally kill them? Or we all can vote them out?

Fine I'll lay down the knowledge
Vroendal is scum. Scum that can win with town using my neighborhood but I don't really care about that I don't trust Vro period. 
Getting Vro in my neighborhood gave me a lot of information and other things I can't say safely.
I'm almost certainly the number one target for the wolves.
Vro is playing both sides but they did refuse to reveal their wolfy friends to me.


There you have your options
1. Kill Vro today vote no on the reset leave Lau dead and hurt my feelings and my chances of doing what I need
2. No Lynch Bring back Lau and Lynch Vro tomorrow and give me a chance to do what I need to do

Oh also the secrets are hidden from everyone including my neighbors 

Play is yours now. But you should really trust me.

hmm
I think I'll indeed trust you then lol

Vote: No Lynch

Ok, I believe you.

Vote: No lynch