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I think that Neon not only claiming being a neighborizer but also one of her targets as a neighborizer target is such a suboptimal move as a cult leader that I'm not willing to consider it. This of course assumes that there is a mafia this game and this isn't some twisted town v cult game, but at the same time I gotta think Lau HAS to have been a day vig shot from mafia. But basically, if Neon is a cult leader and claiming her neighbors, and they're confirming the neighborize, that's going to be such a bad move because eventually the mafia WILL kill them, and then it's going to be like "why is Neon's neighbor culted", we yeet Neon, she flips cult leader, then yeet her neighbors

I also kinda doubt that she has a neighborize and cult action, separately. Just to many big private chats for one person

Wasn't really familiar with the differences between a 'neighborizer' and cult leader, so thanks for the clarification. I'm not convinced that Lau had to be a vig shot by scum, still could have been a 3p with a weird win con?

yeah that is possible re:Lau

honestly I think though that we're really off track in the world that Lau was the N2 and a mafia day vig shot (imo this is most likely, if the day vig was mafia you always use it on your previous night kill target if they're alive) because he's kinda a reputation/effort kill rather than an accuracy kill. I think that the worlds where we aren't off track are if Lau blocked the N2 on either Neon or ENE bc they're PR claims

One thought that I haven't seen anyone else bring up - what are the chances that the only people who were immune to the quiet mode were all town? Seems like that would be a bit of a giveaway, so I'm thinking that at least 1 person who was able to speak during the night is a member of the scum team.

fwiw scum could have just chosen to not speak and honestly I'm not confident that every town immune spoke anyway

I agree with you regarding scum choosing not to talk I guess, but didn't really consider that a town role would choose silence if they were immune.

K, how do you feel about Gerrick in that case

I've already stated today that I'm probably going to stick with Gerrick as my vote, unless a TGN wagon seems more likely or anyone else comes up with a more plausible target. If any/all scum who could have talked chose not to, then I guess that would clear Gerrick - but we have no way of knowing that. It still leaves TGN as a viable option though, so maybe I'll vote that way instead.

I think that Neon not only claiming being a neighborizer but also one of her targets as a neighborizer target is such a suboptimal move as a cult leader that I'm not willing to consider it. This of course assumes that there is a mafia this game and this isn't some twisted town v cult game, but at the same time I gotta think Lau HAS to have been a day vig shot from mafia. But basically, if Neon is a cult leader and claiming her neighbors, and they're confirming the neighborize, that's going to be such a bad move because eventually the mafia WILL kill them, and then it's going to be like "why is Neon's neighbor culted", we yeet Neon, she flips cult leader, then yeet her neighbors

I also kinda doubt that she has a neighborize and cult action, separately. Just to many big private chats for one person

Wasn't really familiar with the differences between a 'neighborizer' and cult leader, so thanks for the clarification. I'm not convinced that Lau had to be a vig shot by scum, still could have been a 3p with a weird win con?

yeah that is possible re:Lau

honestly I think though that we're really off track in the world that Lau was the N2 and a mafia day vig shot (imo this is most likely, if the day vig was mafia you always use it on your previous night kill target if they're alive) because he's kinda a reputation/effort kill rather than an accuracy kill. I think that the worlds where we aren't off track are if Lau blocked the N2 on either Neon or ENE bc they're PR claims

Just thought of another possibility, there are some roles that don't block others abilities, they redirect them - either specifically or randomly. I think it's possible that if it was a vig shot that killed Lau that they may have had their shot tampered with. Thoughts?

I think that Neon not only claiming being a neighborizer but also one of her targets as a neighborizer target is such a suboptimal move as a cult leader that I'm not willing to consider it. This of course assumes that there is a mafia this game and this isn't some twisted town v cult game, but at the same time I gotta think Lau HAS to have been a day vig shot from mafia. But basically, if Neon is a cult leader and claiming her neighbors, and they're confirming the neighborize, that's going to be such a bad move because eventually the mafia WILL kill them, and then it's going to be like "why is Neon's neighbor culted", we yeet Neon, she flips cult leader, then yeet her neighbors

I also kinda doubt that she has a neighborize and cult action, separately. Just to many big private chats for one person

Wasn't really familiar with the differences between a 'neighborizer' and cult leader, so thanks for the clarification. I'm not convinced that Lau had to be a vig shot by scum, still could have been a 3p with a weird win con?

yeah that is possible re:Lau

honestly I think though that we're really off track in the world that Lau was the N2 and a mafia day vig shot (imo this is most likely, if the day vig was mafia you always use it on your previous night kill target if they're alive) because he's kinda a reputation/effort kill rather than an accuracy kill. I think that the worlds where we aren't off track are if Lau blocked the N2 on either Neon or ENE bc they're PR claims

Just thought of another possibility, there are some roles that don't block others abilities, they redirect them - either specifically or randomly. I think it's possible that if it was a vig shot that killed Lau that they may have had their shot tampered with. Thoughts?

such a shot would have had to be SPECFICALLY delayed to day if we're going with the "Lau was a day shot bc of teh 'no deaths last night'" wording

I kinda think that that role as mafia is pointless in a sense? Like, why not make it a roleblocker because unless it's a roleblocker, that's effectively what it does (I'm assuming there's a lack of day actions this game)... outside of vig shots

Basically, I think given his doc status, Lau was very much an intentional kill, likely by mafia specifically

Honestly it's entirely possible that Lau was killed specifically to decrease the thread's post count

I kinda think that that role as mafia is pointless in a sense? Like, why not make it a roleblocker because unless it's a roleblocker, that's effectively what it does (I'm assuming there's a lack of day actions this game)... outside of vig shots

I'm not suggesting that Lau was a day shot because there were no night kills, and I agree that he made himself an even more obvious target when he claimed defender. As for whether the deflector role is pointless or not is beside the point - the role does exist, recently played a game where it was used, which is why I thought of it. And I didn't imply that the deflector would be from the scum team, I simply meant that it's possible that someone with deflector power chose to use their action and used it on the vig, which altered the vig's shot. And I know that there are other day actions out there because I've noticed one being used during both of the first two days. In short, you're probably right that Lau was killed by the scum team with some sort of day action, or possibly a delayed kill if they poisoned him or something. I'm just thinking out loud about other possibilities given that we don't know all of the different roles/powers that are in play this game.

Honestly it's entirely possible that Lau was killed specifically to decrease the thread's post count

If this is true, are you implying that it was done by someone with a low post count or who has complained about having to read too much to keep up?

Aers I'm just gonna call you pretty likely town from your last post and move on bc I think that we can both agree that the kill is scum motivated and that's the most important part about it

Honestly it's entirely possible that Lau was killed specifically to decrease the thread's post count

If this is true, are you implying that it was done by someone with a low post count or who has complained about having to read too much to keep up?

I was trying to be funny to Lau bc we recently played a game where we kinda went wild with the post count.

I think that he was killed for being a doc claim and kinda pretty towny besides

Random potentially stupid question. 

Is it not possible that Lau just bodyguarded someone last night and because this is a game of lies and deceit the lovely hosts just decided to flavorize his death later after day start. 

Probably just me being dumb but.

Random potentially stupid question.

Is it not possible that Lau just bodyguarded someone last night and because this is a game of lies and deceit the lovely hosts just decided to flavorize his death later after day start.

Probably just me being dumb but.

I guess but like

There were no deaths last night is pretty explicit imo, and I'd hope that there'd be clarificaiton that Lau was a night kill in that case

Random potentially stupid question.

Is it not possible that Lau just bodyguarded someone last night and because this is a game of lies and deceit the lovely hosts just decided to flavorize his death later after day start.

Probably just me being dumb but.

Don't think so, they specifically stated that there were no night deaths.

Sorry for being inactive, and I will be somewhat less active in coming days, I agree on delayed kill theory with Laurentus. The quiet mode was probably turned on to keep the citizens at bay from discussing his death, and I think whoever made the kill is immune to quiet mode. The only people who spoke during the night in quiet mode were Gerrick, Dolby, Moondrop and me. Correct me if I am wrong.

Also, did Moondrop mix Black knight for Dark knight and got into the batman theory? His statement on Lau's death makes me think that he might know more than the rest, but he isn't speaking up. Should we be sus?