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@ Neon:

I've read your post.

What I'm gathering is that:

- You role play.
- You don't play seriously.

You're more than welcome to do what you want to do.

Just as I'm more than welcomed to focus in on what comes off as scummy to me. If you feel the need to break character because you want to try something different or w/e, that's you. My focus will always be on playing the game, and right now that means assessing you as I have been doing. I will not begin to debate the ups or downs of rping the way you want to since that is entirely not conductive to me continuing to play. Suffice it to say, you chose to do an action that comes off as scummy, and you do not have good reasons to back it up. End of discussion.

I sure hope that in trying to explain yourself out of character was not done solely as an attempt to avoid aggro because that's eh.

Do you like tea KoD? I've been working on a new blend.



I hope you might enjoy. I even picked a tea set just for you 

@ Vro:

"Why is Neon scummy in three sentences or less?"

No progression on my slot (refer to previous quote with Neon's list). Votes me out of "dislike". Claims I'm one of five people that are sus (verifiably false given Neon's progression).

"Why is Lau's case against you wrong in three sentences or less?"

Demonstrated that his accusation of cherry-picking comments is not true. His focus is me trying to twist his words when that hasn't, as shown, been the case. Compare with his doctor baiting accusation for a sign of intent.

"Why am I now as sus as Lau to you in three sentences or less?"

You're below Laur in terms of level of sus, unless you're talking about my comments about you over this Neon's vote topic and how you view it.

@ No Name:


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Also, yeah, I know CL made himself a target. That's what I was saying to that guy that was all like, "My reaction test brings CL to the yard."

Anyway, that whole statement in the OP is what you would get from any standard bastard game in our area. The argument with Neon hasn't born fruit in Neon's favor yet because, as the general argument went, Neon asserted flavor mattered and I disagreed given the manner in which the flavor was being used (ie. Laur's statement regarding the Batman characters).

If you dislike that I disagreed with the natives over how they run their business, well, that's how I do. You know that's how we do.

Until such time as the flavor becomes impactful in a verifiable way, I'm standing by my flavor doesn't matter stance as that is the least likely to lead to a mistake.

The difference between our bastard games and the games here is that our games haven't utilized flavor as a viable game mechanic since before Px2 was a thing. However flavor being clues to decipher is a classic werewolf theme so ignoring players who are telling you that their forum does indeed utilize that in their games is just bone headed. It is not how we do. We challenge playstyles, we don't challenge game designs. If you disagree with Lau's assessment of the flavor, that's fine. That's part of the discourse surrounding decoding flavor clues. That doesn't mean flavor is going to be irrelevant and if you immediately dismiss anybody trying to decode possible flavor clues you will never find an impact and you certainly won't ever verify it. The only reason to do so is to try to shut down a game solving avenue. 

This behavior from you is exactly why I agreed with Lau that you were cherry picking. A better phrase might be that you're reaching for whatever low hanging fruit is in quickest reach and trying to blow that up into the scummiest things in the game. That's a very classic wolf tactic, allowing you to look game solvey without you having to dig too hard into actually game solving. 

The final tipping of the scales for me, and quite possibly only me, is your continual attempts to pocket me. The continual nice nice. The placing me as top town read despite my stances being fairly parallel to those towards the bottom of your list. 

I'm actually going to adjust my list to put you side by side with Laur.

Next question is are you and Laur scum together? I'm going to say no. Interaction-wise, for most of the thread, you two have been like most everyone else with being conversational and friendly; however, focusing on how you've talked about me, it is curious that you'd follow suit with Laur's open desire and subsequent vote of me to go in on me as well. I mean, Laur is certainly more vocal than you, and he's got more to talk about than you do. You've been limited in your topics (for whatever reason) while Laur has had more to draw upon in conversation. Thus the vote from you feels like you're following on Laur's coattails.

I need some calibration:

No Name, Ex, and Laur -- how do you feel about Vro's post regarding voting for someone strictly because you don't want to play with them being scummy in and of itself but it's also human?

I think I confused myself and thought you were referring to me all the way in this through because you used my name in the last part of your post. Hence my later statement explaining that I never voted you. Sorry, just misread.

So far nothing about the flavor has been front and center in terms of solving. Laur is the only one who brought the flavor up in a way to theorize about it, wrongly, which prompted my own stance against it. My stance, in general, was furthered in conversation by Neon being adamant that the flavor was important always (which prompted the opposite from me and rightly so until such time as the flavor is used to solve).

I am aware of the classic use of the flavor in werewolf due to a game you hosted for us. That is not lost on me; however, it's been quite clear on two fronts that the flavor isn't used that way (at least in this game): nothing in the rules made it known that that would be a method for solving the game, and the players themselves that are native to Wintreath are not going out of their way to solve using the flavor in a way similar to the classical approach. So I do not see myself in error here by asserting that the flavor doesn't matter (until such time that it does when it is utilized in a fashion that is noticeable).

Laur's whole cherry-picking thing is literally him being upset that, when arguing with Neon, I kept portraying Laur as the one speaking as a matter of fact that all the characters were in the flavor despite him having made a post where he acknowledged that something is strange (and in my due diligence in addressing that cherry-picking, I showcased ***exactly*** how I am not since he asserted that the Batman characters had to be in the game and, by extension, reasoned that they can't all be scum and Scarecrow is likely town -- which he later retracted in that assessment post of his as far as knowing Scarecrow's alignment and that in and of itself wasn't a direct recall of his stance that the Batman characters were in the game). In arguing the point, I simply asserted that Laur believed characters mentioned in the flavor had to be roles, and that was strictly true given his statement on the Batman characters. His outlook that I was cherry-picking was simply born out of disliking that, to him, asserting he had that stance, due to his own words, was not accurate and constituted me trying to pick out comments to spin something. That, frankly, was never the case due to his own words and lack of retraction concerning the Batman characters.

I'd hardly say I'm blowing that up into the scummiest thing in the game more so than refuting that point against me. Are you talking about why I am null-scum leaning on Laur instead? Because if that's the case you'd have to focus more so on his comment about doctor baiting which I've addressed in detail. Seeing as how that wasn't brought up on your part, care to offer some of your insight into that particular topic? Was I doctor baiting by hashing out my perspective of ENE with the way I viewed his claim in an attempt to get the doctor to claim?

Continual attempts to be nice to you being the two instances of me saying hhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, and putting you as my top town read? Curious. You know full well that I practically always look at you positively. Ex can more or less back that up much to his chagrin. What I want to know is why you view me doing that is AI to you rather than NAI given how many times we've danced? I mean, I clearly see you saying that it is an attempt on my part to pocket you; however, given the various games where I've flat out made statements like you're always town to me no matter what etc etc as any alignment strikes me oddly for the straight pocket perspective as opposed to the that's my thing concerning you. Huh.

Would anyone like cake while you discuss the untimely pending doom of our fellow strangers? 



I hear cake makes everyone happy and I'm just trying to make a happy place for all my happy friends 

@ Vro:

Huh. Alright.

Deal, I only like sweeter teas though.

I have a rose tea that's really good.

Oh yeah??

I like roses

But I need to see my other offers

What other teas will my potential friends offer to the tea goddess?

Chamomile 

So far nothing about the flavor has been front and center in terms of solving. Laur is the only one who brought the flavor up in a way to theorize about it, wrongly, which prompted my own stance against it. My stance, in general, was furthered in conversation by Neon being adamant that the flavor was important always (which prompted the opposite from me and rightly so until such time as the flavor is used to solve).

I am aware of the classic use of the flavor in werewolf due to a game you hosted for us. That is not lost on me; however, it's been quite clear on two fronts that the flavor isn't used that way (at least in this game): nothing in the rules made it known that that would be a method for solving the game, and the players themselves that are native to Wintreath are not going out of their way to solve using the flavor in a way similar to the classical approach. So I do not see myself in error here by asserting that the flavor doesn't matter (until such time that it does when it is utilized in a fashion that is noticeable).

Laur's whole cherry-picking thing is literally him being upset that, when arguing with Neon, I kept portraying Laur as the one speaking as a matter of fact that all the characters were in the flavor despite him having made a post where he acknowledged that something is strange (and in my due diligence in addressing that cherry-picking, I showcased ***exactly*** how I am not since he asserted that the Batman characters had to be in the game and, by extension, reasoned that they can't all be scum and Scarecrow is likely town -- which he later retracted in that assessment post of his as far as knowing Scarecrow's alignment and that in and of itself wasn't a direct recall of his stance that the Batman characters were in the game). In arguing the point, I simply asserted that Laur believed characters mentioned in the flavor had to be roles, and that was strictly true given his statement on the Batman characters. His outlook that I was cherry-picking was simply born out of disliking that, to him, asserting he had that stance, due to his own words, was not accurate and constituted me trying to pick out comments to spin something. That, frankly, was never the case due to his own words and lack of retraction concerning the Batman characters.

I'd hardly say I'm blowing that up into the scummiest thing in the game more so than refuting that point against me. Are you talking about why I am null-scum leaning on Laur instead? Because if that's the case you'd have to focus more so on his comment about doctor baiting which I've addressed in detail. Seeing as how that wasn't brought up on your part, care to offer some of your insight into that particular topic? Was I doctor baiting by hashing out my perspective of ENE with the way I viewed his claim in an attempt to get the doctor to claim?

Continual attempts to be nice to you being the two instances of me saying hhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, and putting you as my top town read? Curious. You know full well that I practically always look at you positively. Ex can more or less back that up much to his chagrin. What I want to know is why you view me doing that is AI to you rather than NAI given how many times we've danced? I mean, I clearly see you saying that it is an attempt on my part to pocket you; however, given the various games where I've flat out made statements like you're always town to me no matter what etc etc as any alignment strikes me oddly for the straight pocket perspective as opposed to the that's my thing concerning you. Huh.

Well now see part of why I'm convinced the lore matters is that you know this village we are in now... it looks awfully familiar to me. You know what I'm saying?



And it feels like the space time continuum is kinda falling in on itself here. Maybe we should beat up the pie baking robot thing until it gives us answers? Who's with me?

I've gained nearly no info from the pages and pages of convos between Lau and KOD. Trying to analyze a single conversation is not giving me much in the way of fun, so I'm not bothering much to do it. The only change in my reads list is that KOD has moved higher up my list into being more of a null/town lean. We've heard next to nothing from the other players so I'm really not sure who I should be voting for this phase. In the meantime, unless someone makes a really succinct argument in the next few hours in favor of one player or another, I'm voting Vote: no lynch this phase.

Deal, I only like sweeter teas though.

I have a rose tea that's really good.

Oh yeah??

I like roses

But I need to see my other offers

What other teas will my potential friends offer to the tea goddess?

Chamomile

Simple, I'll have to calculate that

I've gained nearly no info from the pages and pages of convos between Lau and KOD. Trying to analyze a single conversation is not giving me much in the way of fun, so I'm not bothering much to do it. The only change in my reads list is that KOD has moved higher up my list into being more of a null/town lean. We've heard next to nothing from the other players so I'm really not sure who I should be voting for this phase. In the meantime, unless someone makes a really succinct argument in the next few hours in favor of one player or another, I'm voting Vote: no lynch this phase.

Do you like tea?

Simple argument:

Wintermoot should be lynched for being middle of the pack and unimpactful.

That's where I stand.

Vote: Wintermoot

Vote: Wintermoot