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@Everyone
If town is going to unvote garrick, who are we going to vote? The play is not making a whole lot of sense yet. How is Literally Satan, Laurentus, going get his reads without the flip?

See I don't like this. Why are you looking for wagon to jump onto?

Coz can be Town. 

I mean we "pressured" Gerrick on a flat out lie which was admitted to as a flat out lie. I have quite a few theories on what happened there but I also think lynching someone on a lie is silly.

I think it’s hilarious

Yeah it would be pretty funny to lynch him when he wants to sus me for not voting him.

Refer to my post on TMI for why that might be sus. 

@Everyone
If town is going to unvote garrick, who are we going to vote? The play is not making a whole lot of sense yet. How is Literally Satan, Laurentus, going get his reads without the flip?

This question doesn't make sense. I got plenty of reads just from others' reactions to the claim. Also, why did you not vote for Gerrick when for all intents and purposes, he was a red check, but now you express annoyance at the unvote when I retracted? If he flips Town at any point, it could be a bad look for you, since it seems almost TMI-ish that you'd have wanted to avoid being on his wagon. I can't discount that you're a scumbud of his trying a distancing play here, either.

Fuck it thread is dead and I've done enough lying low is posting way to much but mostly just gifs and subtle things that might or might not matter lying low? I guess not but anyways

Vote: Captan Lunch

I don't trust. Now I do have a history of voting tit for tat on day 1 anyways,  and maybe that is part of it, but what concerns me mainly is...how do I say this? Voting for me on first impression? I could see that. I think ignoring what everyone has noted about my play style and relying solely on your interpretation of how I play versus your feeling of what Werewolf is might be a bit shortsighted especially since at most we played together one time I think. You don't even know me or how I play the game or why I do what I do. But what concerns me the most is the absolute lack of any reasoning other than it being a "gut" feeling about me. And what concerns me more is that inspite of your attempts to blame town for pulling the brakes on a Gerrick lynch they you yourself have never even been willing to jump on yourself and further pushing the issue while never moving off me or giving any reads list or reasons for why. Pulling the brakes on a lynch based on false information seems totally logical but slamming the foot on the gas to lynch someone because someone made a false claim about them when they were never on anyone's radar prior seems pretty fucking sus.

And lastly I don't think we should disregard the information about you lurking as scum previously in games considering how long it took you to contribute and your aggressive approach with little to no reasoning since you appeared

Agree with this take and don't think it's OMGUS at all. Abigail Town. 

@Everyone
If town is going to unvote garrick, who are we going to vote? The play is not making a whole lot of sense yet. How is Literally Satan, Laurentus, going get his reads without the flip?

See I don't like this. Why are you looking for wagon to jump onto?

What do mean. I just got here and tomarrow is deadline. You guys are going to pressure garrick then back off at the last minute and be completely fucking aimless? Cause that's what it looks like.

Nobody's pressuring Gerrick. We were given info, voted on the info, discovered it was false and most people have retracted. Honestly, you're my top scum read at the moment.

Vote: Captan Lunch

I'm going to sleep on things and try to figure out who I want to vote for tomorrow.

My sus list at the moment, in no particular order:

Lau - never been a fan of fake claims, creates more confusion than clarity, which I don't think benefits the town at all; did see same thing in champs last year and it was a townie who did it, so probably the least sus on this list but that doesn't mean I trust him one bit

Gerrick - didn't like his eventual response to having been painted red by Lau (not sure if this precludes them being w/w together)

TGN - just rubbed me wrong with his 'joke' about there being 3 wolves, also didn't really understand the 'discord is down' comment unless he's involved in some group chat that we don't know about

CL - agree with Abigail that he came to the party late, voted for her over Gerrick, then his responses since then have been more aggressive than explanatory, still wants to push the Gerrick vote so don't see them being w/w together

Beginning to feel better about Abigail and Dolby; Moon still seems pretty quiet; KoD seems to just want to argue with everyone and defend NoName; I'm also feeling better about NoName as the game progresses - especially liked their post stating that they use alts all the time - that felt genuine and informative; can't get a read on Ex or Winter; find Coz just weird; Red and Anub don't stand out either way to me; ENE I feel has made some solid posts and I like their thinking, but that could be bias based on coming from the same region.

Happy? There's some town reads for those who are upset that I didn't want to give them. And with that, I'm crashing for the night. The book that I mentioned to Abigail earlier, Anathem, has a line in it to the effect that we do some of our hardest work while sleeping and I'm hoping that during the night my subconscious will be able to paint a better picture of the muddled mess that we find ourselves in at the moment thanks to Lau's trickery.

Oh, I forgot Vro in my list. I guess the fact that he slipped my mind means I should put him in the null category with Red and Anub, Winter and Ex. I think that's everyone but I'm sure someone will point it out if I missed anybody.

Aersoldorf continues to be townie, I believe he's the type of player who wouldn't be happy about FPSing (for the uninitiated, FPS stands for Fancy Play Syndrome), the only thing that rubs me wrong here is caving to pressure and providing Town reads. 

TGN - just rubbed me wrong with his 'joke' about there being 3 wolves, also didn't really understand the 'discord is down' comment unless he's involved in some group chat that we don't know about

I can answer that
the 3 wolves thing was a comment because everyone was voting Gerrik (and no I won’t spell their name right) so I was being bad at humor (again)
as for the discord is down comment: that’s it. nothing more than me announcing information everyone knew

A joke about what, though? 

Fuck it thread is dead and I've done enough lying low is posting way to much but mostly just gifs and subtle things that might or might not matter lying low? I guess not but anyways

Vote: Captan Lunch

I don't trust. Now I do have a history of voting tit for tat on day 1 anyways,  and maybe that is part of it, but what concerns me mainly is...how do I say this? Voting for me on first impression? I could see that. I think ignoring what everyone has noted about my play style and relying solely on your interpretation of how I play versus your feeling of what Werewolf is might be a bit shortsighted especially since at most we played together one time I think. You don't even know me or how I play the game or why I do what I do. But what concerns me the most is the absolute lack of any reasoning other than it being a "gut" feeling about me. And what concerns me more is that inspite of your attempts to blame town for pulling the brakes on a Gerrick lynch they you yourself have never even been willing to jump on yourself and further pushing the issue while never moving off me or giving any reads list or reasons for why. Pulling the brakes on a lynch based on false information seems totally logical but slamming the foot on the gas to lynch someone because someone made a false claim about them when they were never on anyone's radar prior seems pretty fucking sus.

And lastly I don't think we should disregard the information about you lurking as scum previously in games considering how long it took you to contribute and your aggressive approach with little to no reasoning since you appeared

Your just omgusing me. Thats all this is. You contradict yourself. You say, "Voting for me on first impression? I could see that." Ok, but then later say" But what concerns me the most is the absolute lack of any reasoning other than it being a "gut" feeling about me." I said it was a "first impression", which you said you could see. Then you turn around phrase it as a "gut feeling" which you are not ok with?  Not only is that a bit contradictory, but your twisting my words.

About the Garrick lynch, which concerns you even more than what concerns you most.

Yes, I am willing to jump on the Garrick lynch, you say I never been willing to jump on, but it wasn't a matter of being willing, I wasn't here. But, If I was voting for him, I'd say it was premature for town to back off based on one post of Laurentus saying he lied. We'd still need to push for more information, it does not automatically mean either of them is town.

And about KoD's information, he likes to stir up trouble. What he said is not accurate, and he knows I'd be the one few able to catch him in his lies.

You realise that you can see why someone might want to vote for you as a concept (example being how I wouldn't have been surprised if Aerso immediately voted for me on the back of the fake claim) and still find their execution of doing so to be quite sus. I don't think it's a contradiction at all.

Also, you WERE here for the fake claim. You just didn't jump on it.

The only perspective I understand here is that it doesn't mean we automatically have to unvote Gerrick now. 

Anyway, it's getting late, I was hoping Gerrick would respond by this point, but the reactions from other players will have to do. Letting this fester while I sleep is just a bit too dangerous.

I rescind my cop claim. I do not have a day cop ability. Dolby was right on the money with the reaction test theory.

I specifically chose Gerrick and not someone I also struggle to cold-read like Vro, or someone I'm paranoid about like Dolby, because Gerrick hasn't seen me play in a while, and Vro and Dolby know me well enough that if I faked a red check on them, they'd see it for the reaction test it was, as either alignment.

I found Aerso, Anubhav and TGN's the most believable, and tbh my gut likes ENE's reaction, as well, as it seems to be largely a cultural thing in XKI. Ex and KoD didn't really have any sort of thought process exposed, so whether Gerrick is scum or not, their reaction isn't readable as one alignment or the other. Perhaps the sheer length of time they remained inert about the claim might be telling if Gerrick ever flips scum, though.

Dolby did some analysis of the claim, but my problem with reading it is that I believe he can see through the bullshit as either alignment, even if Gerrick is scum and he's a pack mate.

Changing my name was also a subtle hint that I was being full of shit, lol, since Satan is sometimes known as "The Father of Lies."

@Literally Satan @Dolby I don't get this part. If Dolby was right about what would happen, this would suggest he knew it beforehand. However townies cannot discuss the game outside of the game, but from the looks of it, it seems Dolby knew it all previously. The only way two players can connect, is by being in the wolf team which can talk to each other, unless there is some other method you can use, possible loopholes. Can you clarify please?

Anu, Dolby and Vro both know my recent meta very well, where I am known to use fake claims to get information or benefit Town in some way. Vro and Dolby both saw me fake claim serial killer in a game last year in April for the reads, and Dolby and I were hydra-ing together recently, where I also fake claimed to provide cover for a jailkeeper, and get the jailkeeper to protect us. I'm commenting on that meta. 

Kinda weirded out by Dolby's immediate unvote when I retracted, but no follow-up analysis of anything that happened afterwards. 

TGN - Town
Vroendal - Null
Eastern New England - Town
Anubhav Ghosh - Town
Red Mones - Townie
Dolby - Townie
Neon Abigail - Town
Cozmikrae - Town
Aersoldorf - Town
KingofDominaria - Null
Gerrick - Null
Wintermoot - Null
NoName - Townie
Captan_lunch - Scummy
Moondrop - Null
ExLight - Null

For all intents and purposes, if you're null or below, you're PoE. Start becoming readable. Do things. 

In a rather surprising turn of events, Abigail has become my top town. 

In a rather surprising turn of events, Abigail has become my top town.

@Vroendal, we are way overdue for your reads. 

Meh, a team of Ex and KoD would be more inspiring than what I'm seeing here, I think.