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I'm going to sleep on things and try to figure out who I want to vote for tomorrow.

My sus list at the moment, in no particular order:

Lau - never been a fan of fake claims, creates more confusion than clarity, which I don't think benefits the town at all; did see same thing in champs last year and it was a townie who did it, so probably the least sus on this list but that doesn't mean I trust him one bit

Gerrick - didn't like his eventual response to having been painted red by Lau (not sure if this precludes them being w/w together)

TGN - just rubbed me wrong with his 'joke' about there being 3 wolves, also didn't really understand the 'discord is down' comment unless he's involved in some group chat that we don't know about

CL - agree with Abigail that he came to the party late, voted for her over Gerrick, then his responses since then have been more aggressive than explanatory, still wants to push the Gerrick vote so don't see them being w/w together 

Beginning to feel better about Abigail and Dolby; Moon still seems pretty quiet; KoD seems to just want to argue with everyone and defend NoName; I'm also feeling better about NoName as the game progresses - especially liked their post stating that they use alts all the time - that felt genuine and informative; can't get a read on Ex or Winter; find Coz just weird; Red and Anub don't stand out either way to me; ENE I feel has made some solid posts and I like their thinking, but that could be bias based on coming from the same region.

Happy? There's some town reads for those who are upset that I didn't want to give them. And with that, I'm crashing for the night. The book that I mentioned to Abigail earlier, Anathem, has a line in it to the effect that we do some of our hardest work while sleeping and I'm hoping that during the night my subconscious will be able to paint a better picture of the muddled mess that we find ourselves in at the moment thanks to Lau's trickery.

Oh, I forgot Vro in my list. I guess the fact that he slipped my mind means I should put him in the null category with Red and Anub, Winter and Ex. I think that's everyone but I'm sure someone will point it out if I missed anybody.

very extremely big rip, especially since this issue with multiquote is Chrome specific

I'm still getting the old behavior but I'm assuming it's only a matter of time before the new behavior overwrites my cache

Actually, my post may have been premature. I think I may have fixed the issue without entirely reverting the change. The entire issue seems to revolve around two lines of code in the javascript that inserts text into the text editor (which both the Insert Quote link and multiquote use), where text is the quote that you want to add to the editor:

Code: [Select]

var current_value = bClear ? text : this.getSourceEditorValue(false) + text;
this.setSourceEditorValue(current_value);You can see why it always added new quotes to the bottom...the code literally appends the quotes to the end of whatever is in the editor box. My initial fix was to comment out those lines and add in the way it was handled before we adopted the new text editor:

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this.insertText(text.replace(/\n+$/,''));

//var current_value = bClear ? text : this.getSourceEditorValue(false) + text;
//this.setSourceEditorValue(current_value);I was thinking about this though...there's only one line that actually does anything, setSourceEditorValue, so I just did something that's...kinda in the middle:

Code: [Select]

this.insertText(text.replace(/\n+$/,''));
this.setSourceEditorValue(this.getSourceEditorValue(false));After it inserts the text like in the old editor, it then sets the editors value to...the editors value. I'm not entirely sure why this works, perhaps the function resets or clears something that allows Chrome to proceed with the other quotes. Either way, it seems necessary to have the function in there for Chrome, and this seems to both allow quotes to appear at the cursor and keep multiquote from breaking.

Actually, the entire multiquote system is fascinating, and I started tracing it right from the beginning when you hit the multiquote button to try to find the problem...but I doubt anyone here wants a lesson in how the multiquote system works.

Anyway, it's getting late, I was hoping Gerrick would respond by this point, but the reactions from other players will have to do. Letting this fester while I sleep is just a bit too dangerous.

I rescind my cop claim. I do not have a day cop ability. Dolby was right on the money with the reaction test theory.

I specifically chose Gerrick and not someone I also struggle to cold-read like Vro, or someone I'm paranoid about like Dolby, because Gerrick hasn't seen me play in a while, and Vro and Dolby know me well enough that if I faked a red check on them, they'd see it for the reaction test it was, as either alignment.

I found Aerso, Anubhav and TGN's the most believable, and tbh my gut likes ENE's reaction, as well, as it seems to be largely a cultural thing in XKI. Ex and KoD didn't really have any sort of thought process exposed, so whether Gerrick is scum or not, their reaction isn't readable as one alignment or the other. Perhaps the sheer length of time they remained inert about the claim might be telling if Gerrick ever flips scum, though.

Dolby did some analysis of the claim, but my problem with reading it is that I believe he can see through the bullshit as either alignment, even if Gerrick is scum and he's a pack mate.

Changing my name was also a subtle hint that I was being full of shit, lol, since Satan is sometimes known as "The Father of Lies."

You definitely need to put this before, it was 1.43 am here!!!

TGN - just rubbed me wrong with his 'joke' about there being 3 wolves, also didn't really understand the 'discord is down' comment unless he's involved in some group chat that we don't know about

I can answer that
the 3 wolves thing was a comment because everyone was voting Gerrik (and no I won’t spell their name right) so I was being bad at humor (again)
as for the discord is down comment: that’s it. nothing more than me announcing information everyone knew

Fuck it thread is dead and I've done enough lying low is posting way to much but mostly just gifs and subtle things that might or might not matter lying low? I guess not but anyways

Vote: Captan Lunch

I don't trust. Now I do have a history of voting tit for tat on day 1 anyways,  and maybe that is part of it, but what concerns me mainly is...how do I say this? Voting for me on first impression? I could see that. I think ignoring what everyone has noted about my play style and relying solely on your interpretation of how I play versus your feeling of what Werewolf is might be a bit shortsighted especially since at most we played together one time I think. You don't even know me or how I play the game or why I do what I do. But what concerns me the most is the absolute lack of any reasoning other than it being a "gut" feeling about me. And what concerns me more is that inspite of your attempts to blame town for pulling the brakes on a Gerrick lynch they you yourself have never even been willing to jump on yourself and further pushing the issue while never moving off me or giving any reads list or reasons for why. Pulling the brakes on a lynch based on false information seems totally logical but slamming the foot on the gas to lynch someone because someone made a false claim about them when they were never on anyone's radar prior seems pretty fucking sus.

And lastly I don't think we should disregard the information about you lurking as scum previously in games considering how long it took you to contribute and your aggressive approach with little to no reasoning since you appeared

Your just omgusing me. Thats all this is. You contradict yourself. You say, "Voting for me on first impression? I could see that." Ok, but then later say" But what concerns me the most is the absolute lack of any reasoning other than it being a "gut" feeling about me." I said it was a "first impression", which you said you could see. Then you turn around phrase it as a "gut feeling" which you are not ok with?  Not only is that a bit contradictory, but your twisting my words.

About the Garrick lynch, which concerns you even more than what concerns you most.

Yes, I am willing to jump on the Garrick lynch, you say I never been willing to jump on, but it wasn't a matter of being willing, I wasn't here. But, If I was voting for him, I'd say it was premature for town to back off based on one post of Laurentus saying he lied. We'd still need to push for more information, it does not automatically mean either of them is town. 

And about KoD's information, he likes to stir up trouble. What he said is not accurate, and he knows I'd be the one few able to catch him in his lies. 

Anyway, it's getting late, I was hoping Gerrick would respond by this point, but the reactions from other players will have to do. Letting this fester while I sleep is just a bit too dangerous.

I rescind my cop claim. I do not have a day cop ability. Dolby was right on the money with the reaction test theory.

I specifically chose Gerrick and not someone I also struggle to cold-read like Vro, or someone I'm paranoid about like Dolby, because Gerrick hasn't seen me play in a while, and Vro and Dolby know me well enough that if I faked a red check on them, they'd see it for the reaction test it was, as either alignment.

I found Aerso, Anubhav and TGN's the most believable, and tbh my gut likes ENE's reaction, as well, as it seems to be largely a cultural thing in XKI. Ex and KoD didn't really have any sort of thought process exposed, so whether Gerrick is scum or not, their reaction isn't readable as one alignment or the other. Perhaps the sheer length of time they remained inert about the claim might be telling if Gerrick ever flips scum, though.

Dolby did some analysis of the claim, but my problem with reading it is that I believe he can see through the bullshit as either alignment, even if Gerrick is scum and he's a pack mate.

Changing my name was also a subtle hint that I was being full of shit, lol, since Satan is sometimes known as "The Father of Lies."

@Literally Satan @Dolby I don't get this part. If Dolby was right about what would happen, this would suggest he knew it beforehand. However townies cannot discuss the game outside of the game, but from the looks of it, it seems Dolby knew it all previously. The only way two players can connect, is by being in the wolf team which can talk to each other, unless there is some other method you can use, possible loopholes. Can you clarify please?

Unvote

Vote: No lynch

@Gerrick Also , I wanted to ask you if you would be mostly inactive for a few days down the calendar. Like 1-2 small post level active, not the one who makes large posts of analysis.

very extremely big rip, especially since this issue with multiquote is Chrome specific

I'm still getting the old behavior but I'm assuming it's only a matter of time before the new behavior overwrites my cache

Actually, my post may have been premature. I think I may have fixed the issue without entirely reverting the change. The entire issue seems to revolve around two lines of code in the javascript that inserts text into the text editor (which both the Insert Quote link and multiquote use), where text is the quote that you want to add to the editor:

Code: [Select]

var current_value = bClear ? text : this.getSourceEditorValue(false) + text;
this.setSourceEditorValue(current_value);You can see why it always added new quotes to the bottom...the code literally appends the quotes to the end of whatever is in the editor box. My initial fix was to comment out those lines and add in the way it was handled before we adopted the new text editor:

Code: [Select]

this.insertText(text.replace(/\n+$/,''));

//var current_value = bClear ? text : this.getSourceEditorValue(false) + text;
//this.setSourceEditorValue(current_value);I was thinking about this though...there's only one line that actually does anything, setSourceEditorValue, so I just did something that's...kinda in the middle:

Code: [Select]

this.insertText(text.replace(/\n+$/,''));
this.setSourceEditorValue(this.getSourceEditorValue(false));After it inserts the text like in the old editor, it then sets the editors value to...the editors value. I'm not entirely sure why this works, perhaps the function resets or clears something that allows Chrome to proceed with the other quotes. Either way, it seems necessary to have the function in there for Chrome, and this seems to both allow quotes to appear at the cursor and keep multiquote from breaking.

Actually, the entire multiquote system is fascinating, and I started tracing it right from the beginning when you hit the multiquote button to try to find the problem...but I doubt anyone here wants a lesson in how the multiquote system works.

Yay!

Wow that was quite a read, but too bad I missed the commotion.

At first I thought Laurentus was scum because why would a town knowingly lie that I was scum from an alignment scan (and as scum he would just be revealed as scum when lynched the next day since I'd flip town). Then I thought perhaps somebody (most likely scum) had another day ability that would alter any abilities on a target and targeted Laurentus. But I ended up coming to the conclusion that Laurentus was just doing a reaction test (turns out I was right). I was going to play along, but guess I took too long in catching up.

That doesn't mean he isn't scum since he's bold enough to try that even as scum, but I'm not about to try to lynch him yet.

Neon reads towny to me from the late reaction since I'm sure the scum chat would've let them all know about Laurentus' revelation.

Scum reading CL for completely ignoring Laurentus' accusation, and I'm sure at least one of the people who voted me is scum.

To be clear, you were online when I pinged you with the accusation, and yet you only responded once I retracted. Why? 

Unvote: Gerrick

Not cool Laur.

It delivered quite a few readabld reactions, so whatever. And is my not being cool AI? Your posting has not had the same bite or hunger for finding scum as last game in general, except for your interactions with Aerso. 

Fuck it thread is dead and I've done enough lying low is posting way to much but mostly just gifs and subtle things that might or might not matter lying low? I guess not but anyways

Vote: Captan Lunch

I don't trust. Now I do have a history of voting tit for tat on day 1 anyways,  and maybe that is part of it, but what concerns me mainly is...how do I say this? Voting for me on first impression? I could see that. I think ignoring what everyone has noted about my play style and relying solely on your interpretation of how I play versus your feeling of what Werewolf is might be a bit shortsighted especially since at most we played together one time I think. You don't even know me or how I play the game or why I do what I do. But what concerns me the most is the absolute lack of any reasoning other than it being a "gut" feeling about me. And what concerns me more is that inspite of your attempts to blame town for pulling the brakes on a Gerrick lynch they you yourself have never even been willing to jump on yourself and further pushing the issue while never moving off me or giving any reads list or reasons for why. Pulling the brakes on a lynch based on false information seems totally logical but slamming the foot on the gas to lynch someone because someone made a false claim about them when they were never on anyone's radar prior seems pretty fucking sus.

And lastly I don't think we should disregard the information about you lurking as scum previously in games considering how long it took you to contribute and your aggressive approach with little to no reasoning since you appeared

Your just omgusing me. Thats all this is. You contradict yourself. You say, "Voting for me on first impression? I could see that." Ok, but then later say" But what concerns me the most is the absolute lack of any reasoning other than it being a "gut" feeling about me." I said it was a "first impression", which you said you could see. Then you turn around phrase it as a "gut feeling" which you are not ok with?  Not only is that a bit contradictory, but your twisting my words.

About the Garrick lynch, which concerns you even more than what concerns you most.

Yes, I am willing to jump on the Garrick lynch, you say I never been willing to jump on, but it wasn't a matter of being willing, I wasn't here. But, If I was voting for him, I'd say it was premature for town to back off based on one post of Laurentus saying he lied. We'd still need to push for more information, it does not automatically mean either of them is town.

And about KoD's information, he likes to stir up trouble. What he said is not accurate, and he knows I'd be the one few able to catch him in his lies.

Oh this is hardly an OMGUS trust. I'm the first to admit when I'm doing that go ask anyone I've played WW here with 



I might care a bit more ever since I played a mafia game on ZD and started to better understand the game and had numbers tell me i was a good player or something like that because that fucking meant the world to me as someone who always doubted myself in this game. But I'm still 100% Abbi and that means I'm still hiding messages in my posts and being slightly too talkative and way to honest for my own good. And that means I'd still just say it if I was voting you because you voted me. 

I believe you've entirely missed what I'm saying weather on purpose or not. You've failed to address anything I've said and instead have focused on what? Focusing on my ability to fuck up words when posting things I cant edit? Sorry i said most and than more after mistakes never happen. Or on semantics about the difference between the words first impression and gut feeling?  Sorry those feel the same to me either way so let me reword it. 

"Voting for me on first impression? I could see that. I think ignoring what everyone has noted about my play style and relying solely on your interpretation of how I play versus your feeling of what Werewolf is might be a bit shortsighted especially since at most we played together one time I think. You don't even know me or how I play the game or why I do what I do so it's a bit concerning to me that aside from the first impression you've had of me you'd still completely ignore anything else that's happening or give anymore insight into why you sus me and instead just double down on the impression that I'm scum despite people whose played with me more repeatedly noting that this is just how I play."

You say you weren't here? You've been here you've argued for the lynch so do it. Vote him. And post that reads list you promised hours ago, still waiting no? Been long enough I think. Give some more insight into...I dunno anything at all. This response has just made you more suspect to me.

why would anyone lie a result
:nottoday:

also why take back the fake result before Gerrick appeared in thread? isnt it the most important reaction?

if they were mafia they'd prolly come here claiming miller or something, which would prolly increase exponentially the odds of him being mafia had him fallen for the bluff

not a fan of that play Lau, what did we even get from that

Yeah, I agree, getting Gerrick's response was the ultimate goal, but leaving a chaos bomb out there while I'm asleep could go wrong in a multitude of unpredictable ways. At least while I'm awake, I can mitigate the risk. Why aren't you analysing any of the reactions from other people on it, though? 

Oh mods who I love and adore can we get a vote count? Pwetty pwease?

@Everyone
If town is going to unvote garrick, who are we going to vote? The play is not making a whole lot of sense yet. How is Literally Satan, Laurentus, going get his reads without the flip?

This question doesn't make sense. I got plenty of reads just from others' reactions to the claim. Also, why did you not vote for Gerrick when for all intents and purposes, he was a red check, but now you express annoyance at the unvote when I retracted? If he flips Town at any point, it could be a bad look for you, since it seems almost TMI-ish that you'd have wanted to avoid being on his wagon. I can't discount that you're a scumbud of his trying a distancing play here, either.