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I'm not even going to bother asking the most obvious question since you've mostly summed up how to describe yourself when talking to Vro.

I took time to thoroughly point out how what I was doing was ***NOT*** doctor baiting nor was I even pushing for a doctor to reveal themself or anything that you keep pushing. What you've done, in arguing with me, is convince yourself that what you think you're seeing is true and took it as fact despite the many times past the first that I've iterated the stance to make it clear that you are just plain ***WRONG*** about your perspective.

But blindly you decided to create a self fulfilling prophecy to come full circle to a point you've been trying to ram into me from the start of my ENE perspective. Apparently you're not able to keep up with the developing reads so let me clue you in on something. Despite my perspective of ENE, he didn't close in on the border of who I would view as scum which keeps him out of who I would push for a lynch. How that translates into me trying to get the doc to reveal themself is honestly baffling in every sense of the word since, you know, I made it explicitly, numerous times, clear that my perspective on ENE ***NEVER*** had the intent of pushing for the doc to reveal themself. Yet somehow you took it upon yourself to make that the point and unilaterally did it all on your own without me having to do that. You know why?

Because here is another fun fact. The major thing I had against you was exactly that: The accusation of doc baiting which I had addressed the first time. Something that ***YOU*** took a moment, while reading, to be like, "Oh, maybe I should have slowed down and read and processed a little more before continuing." Don't know what I'm talking about?

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This just, again, proves you're not trying to parse my position at all, you're just trying to shade. I haven't stated anything as fact from the flavour, in fact I have done literally the opposite in my post where I analysed how many roles appeared, said something strange was going on since there were seventeen of them (the implication being there were 2 too many since one person has already died and flipped a completely separate role), and literally saying that my own role had not even yet been mentioned. You're portraying it as if I made a statement of fact when I've clearly been theorising about them. So don't come with this gaslighting bull shit. You've bene doing that to me, demonstrably, from as far back as that reads list you didn't even read.

My sleep has made me view the ENE situation differently, though. You're probably right that I don't like your position on the slot and misinterpreted your intent in pushing it, right at that particular moment.

And how do I view myself with the reaction test thing? Enlighten me. Because I specifically said I have never done it as scum, and will never do it unless it's in a very particular set of circumstances where my team is thoroughly in the shit without it. Every single time I've fake-claimed, I have been town.

And that very same "advice" you're giving me there is what I would quote back at you.

Bolded for emphasis. Somewhere along the line you got yourself to a point where, apparently, you felt the need to go after me and I don't get why? Maybe you just absolutely dislike my content or something. Don't know. Don't care. What matters now is that you've, essentially, done a complete 180, volunteered yourself out, and all because you convinced yourself that I am scum even though I wasn't even pushing you (which is just cherry on top).

Apparently with how Neon decided to progress themself to a point where of the two of you I'd err on Neon being scum compared to you AND pushing for Wintermoot you somehow felt -- what? threatened? -- something to where you convinced yourself to out yourself, attempt to nuke me, and then maybe survive getting targeted?

Truly I'm, well, baffled is probably the best word to describe it. I think this goes under Ex wanting to betray town as town for my experience.

Anyway, bold, if questionable, move. Let's see how it plays out.

I mean, let's start with the reads list you never actually read. That was probably my first big clue that you weren't interested in understanding my perspective at all. You said it was weird to you that i had Coz as lower in my reads list than Anu, and shaded Abigail for sheeping my read on you. If you'd actually bothered to read it, you would have seen it wasn't a tier list, and also very amusingly, if it was your perspective that it was a tier list, then you should have called Abigail out for following the exact same order I was following.

And the next order on the agenda is how you seem to play dumb to what is very clearly expressed. Basic logic suggests that if I say the roles in the flavour are weird, actually show why by counting them, and then end off by saying my role hasn't appeared yet, and THEN go on to say that we probably can't draw conclusions about Scarecrow's alignment, a third-grader should be able to extrapolate that I don't believe all the roles from BatWolf are in the game. So to harp on about how I didn't explicitly refute my earlier point is just asinine. And also proves to begin with that you weren't trying to understand my perspective or, worse yet, even read my posts, at all, because you shaded me for presenting my opinion as fact AFTER I'd already made the implication clear that there was something wrong with my previous view. So your little attempt at revisionist history was absolutely hilarious.

So unless you have a talent for getting tunneled that far outweighs even Ex's, you're just scum. 

I don't think anyone seems to be answering Eastern New England's question. And who are we lynching?

That's a debate that you can follow in real time.

And not pushing me explicitly for the lynch today does nothing for my estimation of you. Of course you can't vote out the obvtown leader without first showing how you're "solving" other slots without them proving fruitful post-flip. 

Also, your WIM (for the uninitiated, Wants It More, or the energy you have when playing the game) is only being used right now to defend yourself. That's scummy af. You've just received the revelation that a large part of your reads have been fundamentally broken, and instead of trying to readjust, figure out how that changes your perspective for the other slots in the game, which would be the most productive townie mindset, you just... sit back and say you'll see what shakes out now. 

Also, your WIM (for the uninitiated, Wants It More, or the energy you have when playing the game) is only being used right now to defend yourself. That's scummy af. You've just received the revelation that a large part of your reads have been fundamentally broken, and instead of trying to readjust, figure out how that changes your perspective for the other slots in the game, which would be the most productive townie mindset, *and instead of doing that you just... sit back and say you'll see what shakes out now.

Ebwop 

Actually, never mind, my first post was correct and I broke it with the EBWOP. 

Assuming that I'm the only defender in the game, Gerrick, Vro and Abigail being in LotRWolf and seeing my clear bread-crumbing, yet murdering me, could point to them being good. I'm most confident about Vro and Abigail here, though, because they have me as obvtown, whereas if Gerrick remembered that, he should have had me as obvtown too. Assuming I'm the only defender, that's a list of 4 names you can cross from your PoE for a good long while:

ENE
Me
Vro
Abigail

You're welcome, now start solving. 

Ebwop: Yet *not* murdering me. 

Also, everyone else who was in LotRWolf seem to be heavily overwhelmed by this game, so I can't actually guarantee they paid attention to every post I made in this game and this method of solving probably won't be applicable. 

Would re-evaluate if I'm not dead come D3, obviously, lol. 

@Dolby, remember our hydra. I'll let you figure it out from there. 

Regarding KoD's view of my claim

Second,

When I say, "Unless you are sure of your claim to the role," I'm talking about counterclaiming the cop because you are the cop. Think in general. Someone claims the cop, but you know you are the cop so they must be lying. Bam. Counterclaim. As I talked about much earlier when I gave my perspective of you, you came out with your counterclaim, but then went, "Oh, wait, nvm. I rescind my counterclaim." That looks like the mark of a person who isn't sure of their claim to the role. CL claimed to be a cop (no specifics given), and you opted to counterclaim because you were(?) a cop as well; however, you obviously didn't feel so strong about that given your functionality (just the flavor) which made you a variant of a traditional cop role. Effectively you outed yourself and cast doubt on CL's claim in varying degrees (in Laur's case not really, but for others they may have took you at face value).

My dislike doesn't come from you not sharing your results. It's independent of your results. My focus is on the approach.

Looking back to the above, you obviously outed yourself, but as a (possible - confirmed) variant of a cop. Who's to say that, as scum, this wasn't intentional? By openly counterclaiming the claimed cop as a role that could be scum aligned, and then walking said claim back, you are out there to be assessed solely on that.

With regard to the PR hunting as that role (as scum), you'd share your results openly because why not? You've put yourself out in the open (favorably) as a potential town PR that survived the first night (as scum that'd be simple to accomplish by no hitting that night if that's truly the gambit), and you can keep up the charade by putting your results out (correctly as you wouldn't have to lie) while the scum team could assess whether or not to hit based on flavor (and a connection to the role if the roles are drawn *almost* exactly from their prior game).

I still have a hard time following what you're saying, but I do agree that my claim could have been construed as questionable or messy.

I'll try to explain my thought process surrounding the claim tangibly:
Firstly, I thought I was a regular seer, so I overcame my initial hesitancy around outing my role and counter-claimed Captan Lunch. When I went to recheck my role, however, I noticed that I would only receive character names, not the character's alignment nor their concrete action. At that point I was concerned that Captan Lunch was actually the seer, so I rescinded my claim and tried to WIFOM what I had just done (which, in my defense, turned out quite successfully considering Laurentus' claim).

So yes, you could say I wasn't sure about my claim to my role, because I had misunderstood my ability. That as well as my general hesitancy to out as a power role.

To be completely honest, I wouldn't have outed my role if I hadn't misunderstood my ability. I genuinely thought I was a traditional seer and that led the ensuing chaos.

Laurentus' claim

No, fuck it, I can't.

You remember that defender you were trying to bait, KoD? Well, that's me. I defended ENE and there was no NK.

Want my trail of breadcrumbs to verify? In LotRWolf, I used the phrase "Does Gondor call for aid?" when I figured out Abigail was my co-defender to signal to her that we were homies. ENE was in that game too. So I used literally the exact same phrase to signal to ENE that I'm the defender at EoD in this game.

I'm basically at a point where the urge to argue with you over your bad-faith, cherry-picking bullshit is at an all-time low, because as much as I derive enjoyment from our sparring, it's degenerating thread health to the point where various people have already expressed that it was hard for them to read through our interactions.

Literally everyone you're casting doubt on is just so fucking obvtown in my mind. You're playing this game exactly like what I'd expect from scum who got caught unexpectedly but knows how to powerwolf their way out of the shit.

So please, for the love of God, people, just lynch KoD.

I knew you were trying to signal something, Lau, but I'm notoriously bad at picking up on hints. I knew you were trying to communicate something regarding LotR - I even watched the scene with that exact phrase and I still didn't get it. Looking back on it I probably should've just ISO'd you in the LotR game, but the thought of checking the game didn't cross my mind. It makes so much sense now, though.

I don't think anyone seems to be answering Eastern New England's question.

This post seems out of the blue. What question are you referring to?

did you pull that shenanigan d1 while having a power role...? madlad

also did a post get deleted? pretty sure my last two posts were on thr same page yesterday

did you pull that shenanigan d1 while having a power role...? madlad

also did a post get deleted? pretty sure my last two posts were on thr same page yesterday

I am fucking insane, yes. Criminally so. 

did you pull that shenanigan d1 while having a power role...? madlad

also did a post get deleted? pretty sure my last two posts were on thr same page yesterday

They shouldn't have been, no.  We don't touch posts in games unless they're like super problematic, so maybe you just imagined they were on the same page?